That's not a good example. Person 1 didn't know they would beat up Person 2 if he acted up. The mother of that child knew the consequences and danger of leaving her child alone. It's one thing to leave a child alone, but to do it in a public setting is extremely dangerous for the child and extremely foolish of the mother.Obviously the robber is at fault, but that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying the entire crime could have been prevented if the mother was present.
You can't split the blame equally between the person who allowed the crime to happen and the criminal.
Suppose someone (we'll call them Person 1) joins a drug dealing gang. Then later on said person does something that upsets the rest of the gang, which makes them want to punish him. So they go out and brutally beat someone close the person (we'll call this person Person 2). Sure, the whole thing could have been prevented if Person 1 didn't join the gang in the first place, but that doesn't change the fact that he did join it. The gang is at fault for beating Person 2, and Person one is at fault for joining the gang in the first place. Person 1 paid the consequences of their actions. Everyone involved is in the wrong, except Person 2 (just like in the main example here, they are all at fault except the baby).
(This is a pretty extreme example, but still the same concept).
The mother at the store should of had her iPhone in her pocket and her baby in her arms.Person 1 should of had his money in the bank
i'm confused. what do you mean by this?The mother at the store should of had her iPhone in her pocket and her baby in her arms.Person 1 should of had his money in the bank
There's a different between fault and reason. Sure, there is fault with the criminal who stole the iPhone, but the reason he was able to do so is because the mother allowed him to do so, by leaving her child (and iPhone) unattended.
i'm confused. what do you mean by this?The mother at the store should of had her iPhone in her pocket and her baby in her arms.Person 1 should of had his money in the bank
There's a different between fault and reason. Sure, there is fault with the criminal who stole the iPhone, but the reason he was able to do so is because the mother allowed him to do so, by leaving her child (and iPhone) unattended.
the mother's fault was leaving her iphone, because she thought leaving her iphone with the baby, and her baby in the grocery store would be fine.
it could have been prevented. but who's to say that the man wasn't looking for other stuff to steal?
This has now reached the point where we don't know all the circumstances or what was going through the people's minds. Maybe the mother had given the iPhone to her baby because she wanted it to stop crying. The man could have been looking for other stuff to steal because maybe he has a poor family with no other way to provide for them at the moment (assuming he is going to sell the phone for money). We don't know what was going through their minds or what was happening before these events happened.i'm confused. what do you mean by this?The mother at the store should of had her iPhone in her pocket and her baby in her arms.Person 1 should of had his money in the bank
There's a different between fault and reason. Sure, there is fault with the criminal who stole the iPhone, but the reason he was able to do so is because the mother allowed him to do so, by leaving her child (and iPhone) unattended.
the mother's fault was leaving her iphone, because she thought leaving her iphone with the baby, and her baby in the grocery store would be fine.
it could have been prevented. but who's to say that the man wasn't looking for other stuff to steal?
Or maybe he's just an awful greedy excuse for a human being who wanted an iPhone / free cash.This has now reached the point where we don't know all the circumstances or what was going through the people's minds. Maybe the mother had given the iPhone to her baby because she wanted it to stop crying. The man could have been looking for other stuff to steal because maybe he has a poor family with no other way to provide for them at the moment (assuming he is going to sell the phone for money). We don't know what was going through their minds or what was happening before these events happened.
Maybe he is. Either way, it still doesn't excuse him from what he did.Or maybe he's just an awful greedy excuse for a human being who wanted an iPhone / free cash.This has now reached the point where we don't know all the circumstances or what was going through the people's minds. Maybe the mother had given the iPhone to her baby because she wanted it to stop crying. The man could have been looking for other stuff to steal because maybe he has a poor family with no other way to provide for them at the moment (assuming he is going to sell the phone for money). We don't know what was going through their minds or what was happening before these events happened.
It doesn't, but if the crime wasn't there to commit, he wouldn't be at fault in the first placeMaybe he is. Either way, it still doesn't excuse him from what he did.Or maybe he's just an awful greedy excuse for a human being who wanted an iPhone / free cash.This has now reached the point where we don't know all the circumstances or what was going through the people's minds. Maybe the mother had given the iPhone to her baby because she wanted it to stop crying. The man could have been looking for other stuff to steal because maybe he has a poor family with no other way to provide for them at the moment (assuming he is going to sell the phone for money). We don't know what was going through their minds or what was happening before these events happened.
As far as we knowIt doesn't, but if the crime wasn't there to commit, he wouldn't be at fault in the first placeMaybe he is. Either way, it still doesn't excuse him from what he did.Or maybe he's just an awful greedy excuse for a human being who wanted an iPhone / free cash.This has now reached the point where we don't know all the circumstances or what was going through the people's minds. Maybe the mother had given the iPhone to her baby because she wanted it to stop crying. The man could have been looking for other stuff to steal because maybe he has a poor family with no other way to provide for them at the moment (assuming he is going to sell the phone for money). We don't know what was going through their minds or what was happening before these events happened.
No, we actually do know this. He couldn't have committed the crime if the mother didn't leave her child unattended with the iPhone. How can you disagree with this?As far as we knowIt doesn't, but if the crime wasn't there to commit, he wouldn't be at fault in the first placeMaybe he is. Either way, it still doesn't excuse him from what he did.Or maybe he's just an awful greedy excuse for a human being who wanted an iPhone / free cash.This has now reached the point where we don't know all the circumstances or what was going through the people's minds. Maybe the mother had given the iPhone to her baby because she wanted it to stop crying. The man could have been looking for other stuff to steal because maybe he has a poor family with no other way to provide for them at the moment (assuming he is going to sell the phone for money). We don't know what was going through their minds or what was happening before these events happened.
You never stated which fault wouldn't have been his. As stated before, maybe he was going to steal something else to provide for his family (he would have still been at fault for this crime then), or maybe he wasn't. We don't know that detail.No, we actually do know this. He couldn't have committed the crime if the mother didn't leave her child unattended with the iPhone. How can you disagree with this?
yes, she is at fault. but not entirely.The main fault of the mother was leaving her baby alone at all. An iPhone can be replaced, a child's life can't. Though I do agree that it was also very stupid to leave the iPhone with the baby.
What else of value is he going to steal in a grocery store? Donuts? We can't speculate on things that never happened. Who's to say he would of stolen anything at all, had he not noticed a $500 device in the hands of an unattended infant?
My point is, as I've said, that the crime in question could not have been committed had the mother not left her child (and iPhone) unattended.
The mother should be thankful it was only her iPhone that she lost.
edit: I should also like to point out, that even if he did steal something from the grocery store, it would be the store's fault for not having tighter security, and the thief would also be at fault for stealing. : )
"which fault wouldn't have been his" What are you talking about? How much clearer can I get? And all that about "stealing for his family"... You have absolutely nothing to base that on, it's entirely speculation. What I'm talking about is something that actually occurred.You never stated which fault wouldn't have been his. As stated before, maybe he was going to steal something else to provide for his family (he would have still been at fault for this crime then), or maybe he wasn't. We don't know that detail.No, we actually do know this. He couldn't have committed the crime if the mother didn't leave her child unattended with the iPhone. How can you disagree with this?
He couldn't have committed the crime if the mother didn't leave her child unattended with the iPhone. How can you disagree with this?
She is entirely and 100% at fault for her iPhone getting stolen, for leaving it (and more importantly, her child) unattended in a store.yes, she is at fault. but not entirely.
We have absolutely no evidence of this. I'm arguing the facts here not speculation on things we know nothing about. I would assume that a normal mother would be thankful that her child was unharmed, but seeing as how this woman was stupid enough to put her child in the situation in the first place, I wouldn't put it past her to be ungrateful.and i think she is grateful her child wasn't stolen.
Did I say that it would justify stealing from a store? No.also, thanks. i'd use that as my reason to justify stealing from a store.
and you say it's the mother's fault 100%.Did I say that it would justify stealing from a store? No.also, thanks. i'd use that as my reason to justify stealing from a store.
You can justify stealing all you want, but you're still going to pay the price if you get caught, and it is still immoral.
Speculation alert!We have absolutely no evidence of this. I'm arguing the facts here not speculation on things we know nothing about. I would assume that a normal mother would be thankful that her child was unharmed, but seeing as how this woman was stupid enough to put her child in the situation in the first place, I wouldn't put it past her to be ungrateful.
In a store? Then they're idiots. In their home? Breaking and entering/Robbery.and you say it's the mother's fault 100%.Did I say that it would justify stealing from a store? No.also, thanks. i'd use that as my reason to justify stealing from a store.
You can justify stealing all you want, but you're still going to pay the price if you get caught, and it is still immoral.
okay well, i'll just look for someone who leaves their stuff unattended.
The people who disagree with this is i'm gonna assume the people who will say that its entirely the thief's fault for stealing something from a baby that has ignored by the mother because the mother wanted a peaceful time shopping, I mean did anyone actually watch the video.He couldn't have committed the crime if the mother didn't leave her child unattended with the iPhone. How can you disagree with this?
Why don't we look at this another way, even if the thief was gonna steal something in the first place and thats an assumption it could've been something harmless like clothes based on the video location. Now if the mother was carrying the baby or had the pram at least in from of her then chances of this event occuring is a whole lot lower but in the video she was around the other side looking at pants.and you say it's the mother's fault 100%.Did I say that it would justify stealing from a store? No.also, thanks. i'd use that as my reason to justify stealing from a store.
You can justify stealing all you want, but you're still going to pay the price if you get caught, and it is still immoral.
okay well, i'll just look for someone who leaves their stuff unattended.