Hacking 3DS Hack: "We hacked it"

[Josh192]

Emulators must be coded to interpret different architectures and translate them to x86/x64 code in order to trick a PC into thinking it's something else. It also depends on how the emulator is coded and optimized, whether or not hacks are used to give a boost in speed, etc. The whole MHz Myth really bugs me sometimes; people need to realize that higher clock speeds don't always mean faster performance. A Core i7 2.2 GHz outperforms a Pentium IV at 3.0 GHz easily, not because of the speed, but the instructions, the no. of MIPS and floating-point operations or FLOPS. The 3DS could easily handle Snes and maybe even Playstation, but how well that would run is anyone's guess. But again, it all boils down to how efficiently the emulator code is written and executed.

This is why you find slower clock speed Intel CPU's outperforming higher clock speed AMD CPU's.

Anyway, as far as the original purpose of this topic goes...

 

[the_randomizer]

This is why you find slower clock speed Intel CPU's outperforming higher clock speed AMD CPU's.

Anyway, as far as the original purpose of this topic goes...

Yeah, but I digress; I don't know if I can believe if the 3DS has actually been hacked.

 

[Seratonin]

And yet, your proof is refutable.

Do you believe me now?

 

[the_randomizer]

Do you believe me now?

Let's just say I was skeptical.

 

[Rydian]

I heard from some people over at the Dolphin forums (wii emulator) that a device must be 10x more powerful than what it is trying to emulate to successfully accomplish emulation.

Is this true?

Sort of, maybe no. It's a very rough rule of thumb to stop people from asking why you can't emulate PS3 games on the Gamecube, and shit like that.

Just going on cpu speeds, the n64 cpu is about 93mhz so a device in this case would require a 930mhz cpu, whereas it will run on 600-700mhz maybe lower. But then again the gamecubes 486mhz cpu in my experience requires a 3.0ghz dual core cpu, which is about 12x more. It varies, but is dependent on how well the emulator is made / coded. Back before dophin was open source it had the ability to render games near perfect but required twice what you need now for half the speed. Now it is one of my favorite emulators because of its quality.

A big problem there is MHz/GHz is not a measurement of speed.

Older Processors.
The "Intel Pentium 4" 2.26ghz processor scores 282.

Newer Processors.
The "Intel Core 2 Duo P7350" 2.00ghz processor scores 1,401.

The architecture can make an incredible difference in power. As you can see, that's not something small like a 15% difference, the second one is, clock for clock, many times more powerful than the first.

 

[Seratonin]

Let's just say I was skeptical.

Haha, yeah man he's very serious about this because he said that he will release it before everyone. I might be incorrect and I'm too lazy to check the source.

 

[the_randomizer]

Haha, yeah man he's very serious about this because he said that he will release it before everyone. I might be incorrect and I'm too lazy to check the source.

Well, I was skeptical because I erroneously assumed the 3DS had overly complex hardware

Spoiler

so yeah, I was a prick to you and shouldn't have been.

 

[Seratonin]

It's false.

http://www.ps3hax.net/2012/07/turtles-emulation-news/

The author of DeSmuME said on the forums he thinks he will focus on 3DS emulation for after 1.0, but he says he thinks he can do it before anyone else can, as well as do it faster. He must know something I don't!

 

[Pleng]

That says he's gonna focus on it at some point in the future. Doesn't mean he's already working on it!

 

[Seratonin]

That says he's gonna focus on it at some point in the future. Doesn't mean he's already working on it!

Still, Desmume is on version 0.9.8.

 

[Pleng]

...and 0.9.7 was released 14 months before 0.9.8

0.9.6 was released 10 months before that


Besides "after 1.0" doesn't mean "directly after". That quote basically says "After 1.0 I'm done with this, don't expect anything new. Next then coming {at no specific time} will most probably be a 3DS emulator"

 

[Jiehfeng]

Aw! Lighten up. It's a fun read and hasn't turned too personal. Leave it alone unless it turns nasty.

It already turned nasty. May even beat poke flood.
41 pages already and only one piece of info.

 

[DaveMode]

Just so I'm clear...

Some dude figured out how to out how to put his own text on the bottom screen of a 3DS and now we have 40 pages of people wondering what kind of emulator this hack will support? That's not even mentioning the 50 posts saying "I don't care about piracy, I just want a region hack". I'm sure there's another 20 posts that I missed contemplating the return of Crown 3DS. While we are at it, we might as well make the 3DS Windows 8 compatible... No, fuck that, Windows 9 compatible.

 

[the_randomizer]

Just so I'm clear...

Some dude figured out how to out how to put his own text on the bottom screen of a 3DS and now we have 40 pages of people wondering what kind of emulator this hack will support? That's not even mentioning the 50 posts saying "I don't care about piracy, I just want a region hack". I'm sure there's another 20 posts that I missed contemplating the return of Crown 3DS. While we are at it, we might as well make the 3DS Windows 8 compatible... No, fuck that, Windows 9 compatible.

So...what are we bitching about this time?

 

[noob killer]

more then likely nintendo will find a way to prevent this from going on much longer if you ask me im almost sure they know about this

 

[Pluupy]

more then likely nintendo will find a way to prevent this from going on much longer if you ask me im almost sure they know about this

They can't do anything if they don't know the details on the hack, which the hacker has yet to expose because he feels an update could bork this easily. For now, the community will be left in the dark.

 

[noob killer]

for how long though when it is released they will fix the problem

 

[Pluupy]

for how long though when it is released they will fix the problem

They will most likely release it in a stable, evolved stage in which they're confident the hack's results will prove useful for the community, easy to emulate, and easy to fix if Nintendo does update it off the console.

 

[Seratonin]

Well, I was skeptical because I erroneously assumed the 3DS had overly complex hardware

Spoiler

so yeah, I was a prick to you and shouldn't have been.

Not a problem.

 

[SirAileron]

It'd be nice if this somehow led to more people having access to Four Swords, since it's really mind-boggling as to why it isn't on the e-shop anymore.

Really, there are people I know who said they'd buy it, and hell, I would have bought it if it were sold instead of having been free. :<