Hacking 3DS decapping fundraising topic.

[Rydian]

Im sure this must be in "the terms you never read but still agree to"

Yeah, that's why I'm careful to point out Paypal's not doing anything illegal and not using words like "theft" and "stole", because they wouldn't legally apply.

Just pointing out it's a total douchebag move.

 

[McHaggis]

Yeah, that's why I'm careful to point out Paypal's not doing anything illegal and not using words like "theft" and "stole", because they wouldn't legally apply.

Just pointing out it's a total douchebag move.

I've had my fair share of problems with PayPal, so I consider myself a bit of an expert on the subject of how douchey they are. One of the biggest issues―in the UK, at least―is that they seem to be operating unregulated. I know that the FSA and the Financial Ombudsman have said they will listen to complaints regarding PayPal in the past but I've never heard a success story stemming from such cases. In this instance, withholding funds without legal backing seems like a somewhat dangerous issue. Who are they to decide what to do with money that isn't theirs?

 

[Rydian]

Yeah, each time I point out freezing accounts, I make sure to note that Paypal is not legally a bank in the US, which means it's not regulated like one.

 

[Pleng]

And if I give somebody I trusted $50 and tell them to go get me something at a store with the understanding that they would.. they return without the item and refuse to give my my money back for six months because they felt like it. But they're just "withholding".

Something about that seem wrong? No?

Yes and it's a totally flawed analogy. PayPal isn't your mate. It's a company. As you have alluded to what they're doing is in the terms and conditions.

Yes it's a dick move. Two business startups I know (one of which I was personally involved in) were totally screwed up by it (and neither were anything to do with flash cards!) But saying "they took the money" implying "and ran with it" at the end as also a dick move.

 

[Rydian]

Yes and it's a totally flawed analogy. PayPal isn't your mate. It's a company. As you have alluded to what they're doing is in the terms and conditions.

Yes it's a dick move. Two business startups I know (one of which I was personally involved in) were totally screwed up by it (and neither were anything to do with flash cards!) But saying "they took the money" implying "and ran with it" at the end as also a dick move.

Even if they tell you they'll give it back in six months, they have still taken your money. It is in their possession and they refuse to give it back to you for a sizeable amount of time.

 

[Pleng]

Yeah, each time I point out freezing accounts, I make sure to note that Paypal is not legally a bank in the US, which means it's not regulated like one.

Is this guy's account with PayPal US?

 

[Pleng]

Even if they tell you they'll give it back in six months, they have still taken your money. It is in their possession and they refuse to give it back to you for a sizeable amount of time.

We're arguing over semantics here. Point is you said "they took his money" and you knew very well (or should have, for you're intelligent enough) that that would be read as "they took his money [forever]"

 

[Rydian]

We're arguing over semantics here. Point is you said "they took his money" and you knew very well (or should have, for you're intelligent enough) that that would be read as "they took his money [forever]"

What is this, the lesser of two evils? They took the money, whether they want to give it back after half a year doesn't mean they didn't take it or that it wasn't wrong of them to take it.

 

[DiabloStorm]

Legal definitions...semantics...oh, hello Rydian.

 

[Pleng]

What is this, the lesser of two evils? They took the money, whether they want to give it back after half a year doesn't mean they didn't take it or that it wasn't wrong of them to take it.

Ok Conversation closed. I'm pretty sure that everybody is now aware that PayPal will be returning the money, unfreezing the account, whatever you want to call it. You can continue spreading mis(leading )information if you like. There's not much point continuing with this debate.

 

[Rydian]

Legal definitions...semantics...oh, hello Rydian.

Considering that multiple people in this thread, me included, sent donations to the project that then got "frozen" (without legal authority) by Paypal and the runner of the project is instead contributing that same amount of money from his pocket to make up the difference (since Paypal "has it and is refusing to give it back"), it's quite important to note.

EDIT: Typo.

 

[DiabloStorm]

I did find it awfully nice of gshock to do that, taking the burden of his project's hiccups and all so it wasn't anybody else's problem or a setback for them...

 

[Ziver.W]

I heard that Wii U had been hacked what are you doing every day??

 

[DiabloStorm]

I heard that Wii U had been hacked what are you doing every day??

Not that this topic hasn't already been derailed but let's keep the wii U and our daily routines out of this.

 

[AliBabasFreeDelivery]

Just threw $5.00 at you. Good luck, hope this keeps growing. Is there any way to grab some more attention to this, maybe tapping into other homebrew/hacking communities with similar interests?

 

[WiiUBricker]

I was just thinking, what if the 3DS people end up with a usable hack because of this fundraising but have the same excuse not to release it like the Wii U people?

 

[AliBabasFreeDelivery]

I was just thinking, what if the 3DS people end up with a usable hack because of this fundraising but have the same excuse not to release it like the Wii U people?

I'm new to the 3DS scene but from my limited impression so far the point of decapping process is to dig up something more "permanent" than other methods so that it cannot be easily circumvented by Nintendo and thus doesn't require the level of secrecy that we've seen from the other communities? I could be totally off base with this though.

EDIT: VVVVVVVV (This too )

 

[Snailface]

I was just thinking, what if the 3DS people end up with a usable hack because of this fundraising but have the same excuse not to release it like the Wii U people?

That's a risk every donor makes. Its like an investment, you could either profit or waste your money.

Captain Obvious o/c, but it needs to be said.

 

[WiiUBricker]

That's a risk every donor makes. Its like an investment, you could either profit or waste your money.

Captain Obvious o/c, but it needs to be said.

Yeah but the general expecation is that if the 3DS people find anything after decapping, they would release it. Contrary to this, the Wii U people did find something but don't want to release it. Nobody would have donated or would donate if they know they wouldn't release a hack anyway, regardless if they find something.

 

[megazig]

the expectation is actually that the scans would be released to donors. not that any work coming from looking at them will be released