3DS could feature automatic firmware updates

[Dimensional]

Isn't it illegal to download and intsall something without the approvement of the system's owner? At least in Europe?

Well they could have something you have to sign when you buy the console saying you agree to installing without notification.

Wha? Signing stuff? I think that automatic firmware updates won't happen.. Nintendo would be in huge trouble to make it happen

Put it in the EULA and your done

That still wouldn't work. If they did the automatic update without the users prior knowledge, then they would be taking a page from Sony's book of bad decision. If Nintendo were to install whatever they wanted onto their systems without the user having the option to opt out, then whats to say they won't install some sort of spyware onto their own systems to both brick a system that has been hacked/has a flash cart, or even use that to perform usage tracking while you browse the web, which would also means they would see you enter private information if your Nintendo product is your only way of accessing the internet and going to places that would have your personal information, ie bank, college, fafsa, etc.

Legally, users must always have the option not to update. Nintendo just has to do the same thing they did before with the wii, as well as what Sony did for their PS3. Make it to where you can't play a game or use other online features, like the shop, until you've updated it. But it has to be the user who manually tells the system to update, not the corporation.

 

[Nollog]

The games released for 3DS are worth buying anyways lol
How do you know?
From videos?
They're not even released yet.

QUOTE(Seek01 @ Oct 1 2010, 11:21 AM) This won't change anything. Add WEP for your house's wifi and don't give the key to your 3DS. Also, is the 3DS always in sleep mode when its not on? I'm pretty sure it wouldn't do it if it were off completely.

This might be a problem for some, but I hardly go by any wifi connection that doesn't have some sort of encryption

lol, wep's bad.
use wpa2.

Also lol at you having the wifi switch on for some reason when you don't want it on a network.

All shit, I broke past my WPA2 security with some tools and software lol, with given time everything is hackable no matter how you wanna hide it.

orly? wpa2 should take 50+ years to crack, and nintendo won't go around cracking networks to make them "hotspots".
wep takes 10 minutes to crack, a good wpa2-psk key takes a very long time. You need to brute force it after all.

On topic, the wifi has a physical switch last time I heard. so keep it off if you want to wait for someone to hack it a few years down the line.
I'll be waiting for the red one to come out, and for it to come down in price hopefully.

 

[indask8]

Just adding the update server to your router blacklist will do the job.

But maybe Nintendo are smarter than that, Like disabling completely the 3DS after a certain date:
firmware works only during 6 month, then a new one is out, either with new feature or pushing the date to 6 extra month
the 3DS will run only after the update is completed.

 

[Nollog]

Just adding the update server to your router blacklist will do the job.

But maybe Nintendo are smarter than that, Like disabling completely the 3DS after a certain date:
firmware works only during 6 month, then a new one is out, either with new feature or pushing the date to 6 extra month
the 3DS will run only after the update is completed.

The problem is hotspots. You don't have access to mcdonald's router unless you work there for example.

 

[Omega_2]

Just adding the update server to your router blacklist will do the job.

But maybe Nintendo are smarter than that, Like disabling completely the 3DS after a certain date:
firmware works only during 6 month, then a new one is out, either with new feature or pushing the date to 6 extra month
the 3DS will run only after the update is completed.

That makes me want to return it to where I got it from

 

[thedicemaster]

Isn't it illegal to download and intsall something without the approvement of the system's owner? At least in Europe?

Well they could have something you have to sign when you buy the console saying you agree to installing without notification.

not when buying, but they could easily make it part of the 1st use process(when you select name, birthday, fav color, etc.)
problem solved, because you had to give permission to use the console.

 

[Searinox]

"Spotpass mode is a new feature where the 3DS will seek out wifi hospots and automatically download content while in sleep mode."

They can't do that. They can't make a device that automatically connects to open wifi networks without the user's consent. It'll cause a number of issues including ppl with wifi connections concerned of devices unauthorizedly connecting to them.

 

[heartgold]

The games released for 3DS are worth buying anyways lol
How do you know?
From videos?
They're not even released yet.

QUOTE(Seek01 @ Oct 1 2010, 11:21 AM) This won't change anything. Add WEP for your house's wifi and don't give the key to your 3DS. Also, is the 3DS always in sleep mode when its not on? I'm pretty sure it wouldn't do it if it were off completely.

This might be a problem for some, but I hardly go by any wifi connection that doesn't have some sort of encryption

lol, wep's bad.
use wpa2.

Also lol at you having the wifi switch on for some reason when you don't want it on a network.

All shit, I broke past my WPA2 security with some tools and software lol, with given time everything is hackable no matter how you wanna hide it.

orly? wpa2 should take 50+ years to crack, and nintendo won't go around cracking networks to make them "hotspots".
wep takes 10 minutes to crack, a good wpa2-psk key takes a very long time. You need to brute force it after all.

On topic, the wifi has a physical switch last time I heard. so keep it off if you want to wait for someone to hack it a few years down the line.
I'll be waiting for the red one to come out, and for it to come down in price hopefully.

You're right stronger passwords are harder to crack down on WPA2, weaker ones or common words are vulnerable to dictionary attacks. Nothing is impossible though.

 

[gumgod]

Haven't I been seeing a wifi switch on the side of the 3DS? So... if you really don't want updates all you would have to do would be turn off that switch... I mean wouldn't they require an update to play online anyway? So unless you're using it for the web browser then there's no reason to have it on (other than gimmicky games) so might as well turn it off and save battery life.

Spoiler

 

[regnad]

It's like you don't own the console, you're just renting it. It ultimately belongs to Nintendo.

 

[Coto]

It's like you don't own the console, you're just renting it. It ultimately belongs to Nintendo.

Its been like that since some time, believe me..

Anyways, I´m quite happy we are about to see 3DS closer finally *-*

While Nintendo may try to upgrade the whole system no matter how, it´s more plausible we´re having some portable version of "WiiConect24", which can be turned off any time.

Don´t believe at all what Nintendo says.

While DSi could haven´t been already hacked completely, it doesn´t mean there´s a way 3DS wouldn´t be hacked anyways.

Be positive, just that.

 

[Omega_2]

It's like you don't own the console, you're just renting it. It ultimately belongs to Nintendo.

So, then that sword I bought from that smith is still his? 15,000 gil is a pretty high rental fee if you ask me. :\

 

[Fat D]

Are those not the same "sophisticated anti-piracy measures" we have seen on the Wii? We all see how that went. Bring on the 3DS homebrew launchers, SD loaders and updaters.

 

[ShadowLink92]

There are some good points and bad points to this.

The good ones: People will actually buy the games, they wouldn't need to go buying flashcards everytime there was a new system/update.

The bad ones: Some people might try to crack this and make more flashcards, flashcard owners might not be able to enjoy it very much.

 

[thedicemaster]

"Spotpass mode is a new feature where the 3DS will seek out wifi hospots and automatically download content while in sleep mode."

They can't do that. They can't make a device that automatically connects to open wifi networks without the user's consent. It'll cause a number of issues including ppl with wifi connections concerned of devices unauthorizedly connecting to them.

people who are concerned about unauthorized connections on their wifi should put a password on it!

 

[BlueStar]

How about people who don't like connecting to unknown routers and passing information through it when the network owner could be doing whatever they like with it?

 

[Supreme Dirt]

Well, there goes my hopes of making homebrew for the 3DS.

Hopefully the community finds a fix to the auto-updates.

 

[Veho]

How about people who don't like connecting to unknown routers and passing information through it when the network owner could be doing whatever they like with it?

I don't think it's going to be sending any personal information, so even if someone intercepts and reads the data, all they'll get will be your ghost data from Mario Kart and the latest firmware update.

 

[Bowser-jr]

question, if you don't mind me asking, if the 3DS is going down the same path a sony in the result of firmware, could we just put our own CFW on the 3DS like some of us do with the PSPs?

 

[heartgold]

3DS freely inviting itself in secureless wireless access points, I'm sure that isn't right...