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Minneapolis School District Will Lay Off White Teachers Before Other Races

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Way to paint entire groups with a broad brush.
Just arguing the other side of "all enlisted are perfectly equipped and prepared to become teachers without any additional training," which is obviously ridiculous. Most are not, but there are some exceptions. Setting up a program which is designed to find a needle in a haystack is a good way of ensuring that program fails.

Do you think there's not going to be an interview or vetting process?
Being that it's Florida and they're paying just above minimum wage for these positions, my expectations for that are not particularly high.

Judging by the reading, writing, and math scores across the country, the teachers who do have the necessary patience or education necessary are failing epically.
No, the system of standardized testing and paying teachers peanuts without providing them any additional resources is a failure. We've had Republicans sabotaging the public education system for decades so they can profit more from private schools. Betsy DeVos has to be just about the dumbest motherfucker I've ever heard speak publicly, aside from Trump and Palin anyway. That's about the only facet of government that really does "trickle down."

And there's also the 160 teachers who have been charge with child sex crimes this year alone.
Guess you're wanting to pump those numbers up, eh? I'm sure Florida can manage 160 charges of that type annually on its own.
 

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Just arguing the other side of "all enlisted are perfectly equipped and prepared to become teachers without any additional training," which is obviously ridiculous. Most are not, but there are some exceptions. Setting up a program which is designed to find a needle in a haystack is a good way of ensuring that program fails.


Being that it's Florida and they're paying just above minimum wage for these positions, my expectations for that are not particularly high.


No, the system of standardized testing and paying teachers peanuts without providing them any additional resources is a failure. We've had Republicans sabotaging the public education system for decades so they can profit more from private schools. Betsy DeVos has to be just about the dumbest motherfucker I've ever heard speak publicly, aside from Trump and Palin anyway. That's about the only facet of government that really does "trickle down."


Guess you're wanting to pump those numbers up, eh? I'm sure Florida can manage 160 charges of that type annually on its own.
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Taxpayers have thrown trillions toward education for decades with diminishing returns. More money will not suddenly make teachers start caring about their students' education.

Even worse opinion than the previous three. You are on a roll today.
 

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Now do white.

Anyway, whole thread is pointless. This is Minnesota we're talking about. They're never gonna lay off any public school teachers.
I don't have to, because we both know the history and context surrounding that. These neighborhoods continue to be so marginalized and segregated precisely because of rich white people making decades of decisions for them with no input from the actual residents. Don't start acting as ignorantly racist as City on me.

Fact: reducing and/or dropping requirements for any job is going to get you less qualified candidates. You want to live in a fantasy world where every 18 year old who enlists so they can buy a Dodge Charger suddenly becomes morally/ethically infallible and the perfect role model, that's on you. The rest of us have to live in the real world, where Florida is a cesspool of methed-out pedos and retired grifters. If anything, the requirements to teach should be going up, and so should the pay associated with the job.
 

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I don't have to, because we both know the history and context surrounding that. These neighborhoods continue to be so marginalized and segregated precisely because of rich white people making decades of decisions for them with no input from the actual residents. Don't start acting as ignorantly racist as City on me.


Fact: reducing and/or dropping requirements for any job is going to get you less qualified candidates. You want to live in a fantasy world where every 18 year old who enlists so they can buy a Dodge Charger suddenly becomes morally/ethically infallible and the perfect role model, that's on you. The rest of us have to live in the real world, where Florida is a cesspool of methed-out pedos and retired grifters. If anything, the requirements to teach should be going up, and so should the pay associated with the job.
I don't see you offering any solutions besides throwing more money at failing teachers and keeping the status quo.

If you raised the requirements to teach, most teachers would have to be fired because they have been failing for so long. Wait, maybe you're on to something there...
 

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I don't see you offering any solutions besides throwing more money at failing teachers and keeping the status quo.
Your reading comprehension is at a kindergarten level if you think I've been arguing in favor of keeping the status quo. Standardized testing doesn't work, nor does cutting funding that supports the arts and sciences. We need a reform of the public education system, but the answer is not giving up on it just so the billionaires you worship can make a few extra bucks while kids get taught more selectively about historical events and America's "exceptionalism." There's not many clearer signs of a failing empire than that.
 

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Here's a question: Should someone dislike the United States after reading its history?
The only good thing the US ever did was kick Britain's sorry backside. So if someone stopped at that, the answer is no. If you read pretty much the past 30 years, then I suppose anyone is entitled to their own decisions.
 
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Here's a question: Should someone dislike the United States after reading its history?
Assuming a full, uncensored education on the country's history, absolutely. Most people still remain ignorant to the fact that the US government bombed its own citizens multiple times in the past. I think we should also teach kids that progress and change is possible, but a continuing struggle, and without committing to that struggle, regress is instead inevitable.
 

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Your reading comprehension is at a kindergarten level if you think I've been arguing in favor of keeping the status quo. Standardized testing doesn't work, nor does cutting funding that supports the arts and sciences. We need a reform of the public education system, but the answer is not giving up on it just so the billionaires you worship can make a few extra bucks while kids get taught more selectively about historical events and America's "exceptionalism." There's not many clearer signs of a failing empire than that.
Education spending has increased year over year for decades and the results are getting worse.

Standardized testing doesn't work for teachers who are failing at their jobs, but still can't get fired.

Calling for reform is not offering up solutions. That's a tagline with no meaning. Maybe Congress can pass an education bill to see how it will work like they did with the Inflation Reduction Act that the CBO says will not reduce inflation.

You have no details because you lack any original thought.
 

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Education spending has increased year over year for decades and the results are getting worse.

Standardized testing doesn't work
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Almost like these two things are connected or something.
 

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Almost like these two things are connected or something.
If you have to alter my words to prove a point, you didn't really prove a point. All you did was pull a Kevin Clinesmith or a @LainaGabranth. I'm not sure why you people keep insisting on changing and removing words that I typed when people can just scroll up and see what I initially said. It makes you look childish and foolish.

Here's an idea. Try devising a solution on your own instead of the generic "We need reforms now", because guess what, we did reforms in the 1970's by creating the Department of Education and it's only made things worse.
 
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This "controversy" is yet another irrelevant distraction. There is a teacher shortage. Teachers should not be getting laid off at all right now unless they are doing a bad job, regardless of race. Teachers are underpaid, unsupported, and they are leaving in droves. You can make more at McDonalds than teaching in my town, and with far less hassle. Teachers are expected to handle discipline problems, buy supplies for poor students out of their already meager paychecks, deal with irate idiot parents, deal with COVID, and somehow teach real information in addition to spoon feeding the answers to standardized tests so that their paychecks that are tied to said tests don't get any lower. With class sizes approaching 40 kids, teachers are basically becoming babysitters, and their role as that because very apparent during the pandemic.

In a modern specialized world, education is THE most important thing. The USA has been so successful because inventions and innovations happened here. What things will a population that can barely read, has no critical thinking skills, and can't tell fact from lies, invent to compete with countries that do fund education?
 

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This "controversy" is yet another irrelevant distraction. There is a teacher shortage. Teachers should not be getting laid off at all right now unless they are doing a bad job, regardless of race. Teachers are underpaid, unsupported, and they are leaving in droves. You can make more at McDonalds than teaching in my town, and with far less hassle. Teachers are expected to handle discipline problems, buy supplies for poor students out of their already meager paychecks, deal with irate idiot parents, deal with COVID, and somehow teach real information in addition to spoon feeding the answers to standardized tests so that their paychecks that are tied to said tests don't get any lower. With class sizes approaching 40 kids, teachers are basically becoming babysitters, and their role as that because very apparent during the pandemic.

In a modern specialized world, education is THE most important thing. The USA has been so successful because inventions and innovations happened here. What things will a population that can barely read, has no critical thinking skills, and can't tell fact from lies, invent to compete with countries that do fund education?
Babysitters who are somehow supposed to be completely neutral while tolerating partisan shit from students and parents.
 

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I see no problem with a mostly-black community wanting to have mostly-black teachers in their schools. Firing people probably isn't the best way to go about it, though, they should at least be giving them the opportunity to transfer to another school district or state.

How do you not see this as being racially biased, prejudiced or straight up racist?
 

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Try devising a solution on your own
Just for a start: more guidance counselors, career counselors, and therapists in schools. More individual attention for students, smaller class sizes. Stricter requirements for teachers, much higher pay, and school-funded resources for obtaining supplies, textbooks, etc. More funding for the arts and sciences. Expanded extracurricular programs. Fewer classes per day to allow for a wider scope in lessons and more cool-down time in-between. Individualized testing to highlight students' strengths and help them work on their weaknesses.

Take 5% out of the military budget or corporate welfare to pay for my proposals, done. I can keep going, but let's be honest: I've already put far more thought into this than what was attached to DeSantis' "plan."
 
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