I got my second covid shot yesterday and spent the entire night dealing with horrible fevers but that didn't last long and I am feeling better today. I am perfectly fine dealing with a few hours of mild suffering over a few weeks of possibly dying.
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I've decided on not getting one. I 100% do not trust it, and I know something is going on with it.
All of the evidence shows the vaccine is safe and effective. Everyone who can medically get it should get it. It's in your best interest, and it's in the best interest of those around you that you get it. We have a moral imperative to get vaccinated because it doesn't just affect us.
Despite the vaccine being in your best interest, and in the best interest of those who have to interact with you, it's your choice whether or not you want to be vaccinated. However, let's not pretend that one's refusal to get vaccinated is anything other than reckless and anti-scientific.
I don't know why people call this toxic genotheraphy in experimental phase as a vaccine. It has nothing common. It's just change your cell function to overproduce specific proteins, and you can't be sure if it does it do anything else, that's quite risky. Standard vaccine should deliver proteins, and do not harm a cells.
The vaccine has been demonstrated to be safe and effective. Everything that's in the vaccine is flushed out of your system not too longer after you get your last dose. Nothing from the vaccine stays in your body for too long.
That does not even make statistical sense. Covid-19 has a variable survival rate, which depends on your age, BMI, lung conditions among other things. Out of the known 179,419,490 global cases of Covid-19, there have been 3,885,376 known deaths. This gives a mortality rate of 2.165% -- although you are probably right, since most light Covid-19 cases go unidentified. The real mortality rate is probably below 1% -- as a general average. In practice however, as you age above 60 the chances of dying from Covid-19 rise exponentially. In the United States, 80% of those who died of Covid-19 were over the age of 65. In some cases, for people over the age of 75, the mortality rate could exceed 10%.
The above discussion does not cover long-Covid -- the condition where getting Covid-19 leaves some people with debilitating effects including long-term fatigue. This condition does seem to affect mostly younger people, so mortality rate alone does not cover everything we need to be aware of. Mortality rate alone does not, also, cover the question of whether healthy or at low-risk young people and adults can pass the virus on to older, more at risk, people. You may think you are safe, but are your parents safe if they are close to 60? Are your grandparents safe? Are you happy knowingly becoming a vector that increases their risk?
The vaccine's "95% success rate" is again a rough average, and changes from vaccine to vaccine. What it means in practice is that the vaccine has a very high chance of protecting you, if not necessarily from infection then from illness -- and if not from illness then from severe illness. Crucially, it greatly reduces the incidence of long-Covid, as well as the severity of illness on older and younger people alike.
As for your reported side-effects. For facial paralysis, there is no known link or proof of increased Bell's palsy in those who have been vaccinated. This story stems from Israel, where 13 vaccinated people were reported to have got Bell's palsy. Israel, crucially, vaccinated nearly two thirds of its entire population. Bell's palsy and facial paralysis can occur from a number of causes and factors. I am quite certain the many vaccinated people in Israel also got into car accidents; they became victims of murder; some got cancer, and so forth. This does not mean that the vaccine causes car accidents. On the contrary, in a study conducted, it was found that the instances of Ball's palsy are in fact lower amongst the vaccinated population versus the unvaccinated. In scientific terms, no correlation has been proven.
Your claim of infertility is completely lacking any basis as well. Vaccinations barely begun 9 months ago -- so we simply don't have any data that could verify or disprove your claim either way. And your claim regarding headaches is simply laughable: a headache is nothing.
As someone who was vaccinated, I can confirm that I did have a very painful and heavy arm on my first dose, and a short-lived but relatively strong fever (plus a painful arm, again) for my second dose. The fever got as high as 38C, and yes it was accompanied by headache. The symptoms did not last more than 12 hours in total.
One likely and indeed scientifically proven side-effect regards thrombosis (thrombocytopenia) which seems to affect those vaccinated within some hours and up to 3 weeks from vaccination. While most of these cases have not been lethal, some have - and it remains the greatest questionmark over the safety of the vaccine. Again, not all vaccines report the same incidence of this; with the AstraZeneca vaccine being the most likely to cause the problem. Still, and to give some context to this, we must understand the thrombosis is one of the leading causes of death worldwide - even outside the context of Covid vaccination. 1 in 4 people will probably die from causes related to blood clotting, and this can be caused by a number of factors (from being overweight to random chance, to getting cancer). The current contraceptive pills, for example, can cause 1 in 3000 (0.0333%) women to develop a blood clot. Yet, there is no widespread panic or paranoia regarding the use of these pills. The rate of incidence for the Covid vaccine, specifically AZ, seems to be 100 per 25 million (0.0004%) with approximately 20% of these cases being fatal. Most of the others will recover fully, but a small minority may develop long-term problems. Short-term and long-term problems can include slurred speech, which I think is where you got your information regarding Ball's palsy. Finally, and to put this to bed, blood clots are actually also caused by Covid-19 itself, (see
"Severe thrombocytopaenia secondary to COVID-19" by Patel, Stanton, Gkikas and Trantafyllopoulou) and current evidence suggests that one is 10 times as likely to have this problem as compared to the vaccinated population.
I actually know someone who got a blood clot. He is 45 years old, and got the AZ vaccine. He had a strong clotting incident on his left leg, and he nearly lost the leg. He had to stay 3 weeks in the hospital. He is now better and recovering, but righfully scared and skeptical of the vaccine. There are no easy black or white answers when it comes to scientific questions. Only gradations of confidence and knowledge. No one will accuse you of being a skeptic.
You are right, also, that you cannot sue anyone if the vaccine ruins your life. Guess what: You also cannot sue anyone if Covid-19 ruins your life, or leads to the death of your loved ones. If by any chance you are unlucky enough to pass it on to someone who dies, you can't undo this damage either.
Today, I lost my uncle to Covid-19. He was "old", yes. He was 71 years old. But he was not fat, he was fit and thin. He was still working every day as a metallurgist, doing a very difficult profession. He had been vaccinated with the first dose 5 weeks ago, but the first dose does not give you much more than 50-60% protection. He presented the symptoms and felt OK enough, that was about a month ago. At first we thought he would survive it fine. On the 6th day without symptoms easing, he began having trouble breathing. So we took him as a precaution to the hospital. The first couple of nights he seemed fine. He was still talking, and even while doctors were becoming concerned with his lungs, he was making plans to come back. He was even calling clients to re-arrange deliveries. Then he deteriorated very fast, and eventually had to be assisted with his breathing. Yesterday night he slept in his hospital bed for the last time, and had a cardiac arrest. One day he was here, the next he was gone. My conscience is clear that -- having been vaccinated -- it is very unlikely that I passed the virus to him. But someone did.
Cardiac arrest is one of the leading causes of death following Covid-19 diagnosis. Recent studies have shown that you are 3.4 times more likely to die from cardiac arrest within 30 days of being diagnosed with Covid-19.
That's why we cannot play around with serious things. Science is not perfect. Science is fallible. But if we must make a decision, we must do so with a sound scientific basis; and a sound knowledge and awareness of the underlying facts. Decision-making from ignorance is neither helpful, nor wise... or sane.
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Which one did you get? My parents got the Moderna shot and they both got completely different reactions - one had a mild fever for a few hours and was fine after, and the other just got a bit of soreness. I got Pfizer - I was sore for a few days after my first shot, but I didn't have any reaction to the second one.
Take any SARS-CoV-2 vaccine that isn't the Russian, Chinese or Cuban one, preferably the double-dose vaccines.
And finally, about the side effects -- fucking git gud.
You guys are lucky you're getting decent vaccines -- us Venezuelans are being used as test subjects for the Cuban one. Goodness knows what they have done, since the USA and Great Britain definitely know better than those idiots at Cuba.
And finally, about the side effects -- fucking git gud.
You guys are lucky you're getting decent vaccines -- us Venezuelans are being used as test subjects for the Cuban one. Goodness knows what they have done, since the USA and Great Britain definitely know better than those idiots at Cuba.
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Can you imagine if people acted like this when the Polio vaccine came out lol. Bunch of babies
I know, right? What's so bad about a fever after the vaccine? And why do people believe that the vaccine magnetize people? Because the supposed magnetized people just take a spoon and rub them against their neck while still holding it with their hands!
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Had my second pfizer dose today. Tried moving a spoon and couldn't do it 
. No magnet powers for me.
. No magnet powers for me.
- I'm not sure why you came in here to quote a post I made over two weeks ago only to post a snarky comment devoid of any substance. One could argue it's a form of flamebaiting, and I recommend you ask yourself "Is this helpful?" before making posts in the future.
- I am not a doctor, and I never claimed to be a doctor. I do have a degree in biology, however.
- Regardless of my credentials, everything in my previous post is verifiably true. The vaccines are safe and effective, and regardless of whether a person cares more about themselves or the other people around them, it is in a person's best interest to get vaccinated. Considering the virus is infectious, there is a moral imperative to get vaccinated.
1. There's substance. Proof is in your grasping of pearls. Sorry I was late. Didn't get a notification of posts until now.
2. Not a valid credential.
3. Nope. You can't verify it's 100% safe.
3b. You aren't a doctor. It's not your business to be giving advice to people they should be getting a vaccine. Your moral imperative is to stfu and stop overstepping your bounds because you are proud of your biology degree (but for some reason not a doctorate or a license.).
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