The science is very clear about what is likely to happen if we don't get to herd immunity through swift vaccination.
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I Am British, 30 and now at a healthy weight so I don't expect to get the Vax offer yet, unless there's some sort of BAME initiative as I'm of Bengali heritage. I'm chill about it, I work an office job so WFH a bit longer will be fine.
My folks have had their first dose of their Vax and should be getting their second dose in May.
My folks have had their first dose of their Vax and should be getting their second dose in May.
BelievemuhScience. BelievemuhCNN.
Whatever the case, its not your place to push that narrative onto others.
These drugs are usualy tested for ten years, these are less than one year. As you are neither a scientist or a doctor, how would you feel if someone on here had a reaction and it was down to your blinkered pressuring on here. Youd probably just say, oh well. Eh.
I'm in no particular rush to get it myself and I'm in the same age group. All statistical data points to the fact that vaccinating highly vulnerable populations first (elderly/obese/underlying health conditions, particularly of the respiratory system) is a much better strategy in terms of saving lives. If *I* catch it, I'll get the sniffles and get over it within two weeks. If grandma across the road catches it, there's a good chance she'll croak. The local government seems to be sticking to that strategy, but they're not exactly speedy about it. Distribution here is god awful, I haven't received an invitation either, and I suspect I won't get one for a very long time. I can wait for my turn.
In Vermont if you're over 16 years old, you're eligible to get vaccinated now, if you're not white.
Nope, not an April Fools.
https://vtdigger.org/2021/03/30/all...will-be-eligible-for-the-vaccine-on-thursday/
Nope, not an April Fools.
https://vtdigger.org/2021/03/30/all...will-be-eligible-for-the-vaccine-on-thursday/
The rush to vaccinate minorities against the virus is really bizarre, race doesn't seem to be a big risk factor for COVID-19 morbidity, age is by far the biggest. Tripping over yourself to vaccinate 16-year olds is just silly. Assuming CDC statistics are correct, black, native american or hispanic patients do have a higher risk of hospitalisation or death from the virus, they're about twice as likely, give or take:In Vermont if you're over 16 years old, you're eligible to get vaccinated now, if you're not white.
Nope, not an April Fools.
https://vtdigger.org/2021/03/30/all...will-be-eligible-for-the-vaccine-on-thursday/
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/201.../hospitalization-death-by-race-ethnicity.html
Meanwhile, patients between 40-49 are *15x* more likely to be hospitalised and *130x* more likely to die from it, and the numbers grow exponentially from that point. 85+ year old patients are *8700x* more likely to die from COVID-19 compared to the 5-17 reference group:
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/201...s-discovery/hospitalization-death-by-age.html
If we're supposed to follow the science, we should focus on age - that's what the numbers tell us.
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The numbers in the US are bad across the board, and only vaccinating 50+ year olds isn't gonna get us to herd immunity. That probably would be the best method of ensuring the virus mutates to become immune or highly-resistant to the vaccine, though.
Another Thing - Why are so many,many People still think,if they get their 2,3 Vaccinations,they are then immune and could not get the Symptoms/Virus anymore....
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AFAIK all the vaccines are tested to be 100% effective at preventing serious symptoms and illness caused by COVID-19. They're not 100% effective at preventing you from catching it, but if you do catch it after being vaccinated, your symptoms will be on the level of a common cold at worst.Another Thing - Why are so many,many People still think,if they get their 2,3 Vaccinations,they are then immune and could not get the Symptoms/Virus anymore....
That is of course correct,but ask People around,how many knows this.
They still believe,they are then immune and also they think there is no need of wearing a Mask and Testing......very sad.....
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Thankfully most states still have mask mandates in place, and those that don't tend to require one in businesses at least. Once we get to 70%+ of adults vaccinated we can all stop wearing masks though, and we're over halfway there.That is of course correct,but ask People around,how many knows this.
They still believe,they are then immune and also they think there is no need of wearing a Mask and Testing......very sad.....
It's a matter of priorities, not herd immunity - that will be achieved over time regardless. If your aim is to save lives, the solution is pretty obvious. Vaccination should prioritise in the order of vulnerability - there is nothing you can tell me that will convince me otherwise. 16 is within the reference group of 1x likelyhood, assuming generously that a black teen's odds are doubled, that's 2x or so. The average grandma is 8000x+ at more risk. By all statistical measures, grandma should be in that queue way ahead of the teen. Race aside, one of these numbers is just not like the other, no way to dance around it. That's of course setting aside the fact that race shouldn't play into it at all since it's an insignificant factor in the grand scheme of things, it comes across as weird race bait.
The US should follow the example of countries with highly successful vaccination schemes, for instance Israel which prioritised patients within risk groups as I say should be done and have now reduced symptomatic cases by 94% and hospitalisation by 87%. Younger people are just not at much risk of catching COVID, and those that do catch it mostly have mild symptoms. The obvious vector here is age - the older you are, the more likely you are to contract the disease and pass it on. Admittedly, the elderly don't go out nearly as much and in their case it's more about protecting life than it is about preventing transmission (and causing potential mutation over time), but even if we accept that as a fact, the priority should still be older working age patients that do have contact with others, but are at an exponentially higher risk of contracting COVID - people between the ages of 30 and 60.
There is almost no reason at all to prioritise 16 year olds who are currently not at school and spend their days playing on Xbox. They're not exposed to the virus nearly as much as their parents are - they're the ones going outside to work (wherever the economy is somewhat open) and do the shopping, they're the ones meeting strangers outside.
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Well of course, it's not like we skipped the elderly in the process. Some areas have simply been more efficient at vaccine distribution than others, which is why they're now opening up to more age groups. IIRC we're at about 40% vaccinated for adults in this country, and the vast majority of those are 55+.
The short term concern is vaccinating vulnerable populations. The long term goal is getting to herd immunity as quickly as possible so new variants don't eventually eliminate vaccine efficacy and put us back at square one.
My wife got here 2nd shot about a month ago, and I get my 2nd shot in about 25 days.
We are both in our late 40s. She's a school teacher who teaches younger students in grade school. Even on the best years she brings home a couple of flu's or the cold.
I'm retired so I'm not too worried about catching it while out running errands. I'm high risk due to several health conditions, so I'm glad we are both vaccinated.
We are both in our late 40s. She's a school teacher who teaches younger students in grade school. Even on the best years she brings home a couple of flu's or the cold.
I'm retired so I'm not too worried about catching it while out running errands. I'm high risk due to several health conditions, so I'm glad we are both vaccinated.
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Both are addressed by vaccinating those who are actually at risk, go outside and interact with others. Statistically speaking that's working age adults, not school children, especially if said school children by and large are not back at school (besides a few states that have re-opened their schools). The average retail worker comes into contact with significantly more people than a child does and is at a much higher risk of contracting or suffering from COVID. If your intention is to curb the spread, common sense *and* science suggest targeting areas of mass gatherings of adults. If there's a demographic that should be targeted, it's working age adults, particularly if they're actively working during the pandemic. Multiple studies have already demonstrated that children are not the "super spreaders" they were expected to be, particularly not if they're not in a school environment.
Received my first Moderna injection yesterday, I’ll get the next by the end of the month, feeling fine other than a sore arm.
My job requires I work and clean in a lot of public spaces and help folks so I’m glad to now be in the process of getting immunized.
My job requires I work and clean in a lot of public spaces and help folks so I’m glad to now be in the process of getting immunized.
I'd hazard a 100% guess its neither what I said and you're just parroting 'news' and scaremongering. I like how you ignored the point about feeling bad if you pressured someone into having it and they became ill. Good example of those morals that. Bravo.
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