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Joe Biden Wins - Becomes 46th president of the United States

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We are not at all on the same page then. I don't even know where to engage in a conversation with you. I do not believe that I am doing what you are claiming, and what concerns me most is how convoluted and distracting your synopsis of my position is. I'm not about to argue for it or against it, because I am not committed to validating or invalidating any hypotheses you have on the matter. I do not believe that we will be able to reach a conclusive determination on the matter, and my claim is that that's okay. Some people are very uncomfortable in not knowing what's going to happen next. I am not so much like that.

Because in terms of 'tell' we are hearing through the rumors grapevine, that not even Trump believes anymore, that this election will be overturned, because he is already talking about plans of running in 2024. And most of the current mobilizing is used for publicity (senate election runoffs) and to finance "PAC to save america", which no one knows what they are doing. But probably paying back election debt for Trump.

Do as you preach, but not as you do. Come on...
 

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Well. The Simpsons predicted a President Trump to begin with. We are beyond satire. Just look at Stephen Colbert. He's not allowed to be himself anymore because Viacom owns his personality.
 
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Well. The Simpsons predicted a President Trump to begin with. We are beyond satire. Just look at Stephen Colbert. He's not allowed to be himself anymore because Viacom owns his personality.
your right! and then predicted he would leave office in disgrace... with a Woman President.... wow Simpsons was soo close VP not P!!!
 

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Predicting something thats a little bit out there, isnt a feat that should be celebrated. Making wild guesses comes with no penalty. ;) Thumbs up for the viacom owning Colberts personality part. :)
 

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Well. The Simpsons predicted a President Trump to begin with. We are beyond satire. Just look at Stephen Colbert. He's not allowed to be himself anymore because Viacom owns his personality.
I mean, Colbert (that other one) does still exist. He's brought him back for a bit or two. The (that other one) part is a satire in and of itself of viacoms ownership of the character.

That said, he's chosen to move on from that personality largely I think.
 

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I mean, Colbert (that other one) does still exist. He's brought him back for a bit or two. The (that other one) part is a satire in and of itself of viacoms ownership of the character.

That said, he's chosen to move on from that personality largely I think.

You are speaking like it was an unnatural fit/forced character and that it no longer suited him. He's been able to try on his old personality with Viacom's permission, and of course it's not the same for him anymore. It's a horrific fate.
 

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You are speaking like it was an unnatural fit/forced character and that it no longer suited him. He's been able to try on his old personality with Viacom's permission, and of course it's not the same for him anymore. It's a horrific fate.
From what I know, he's specifically said that he wanted to move on from that personality. I think at first it was motivated just by the same reason that anyone wants a change of pace from time to time, and later by the fact that the show the character was based on (the Colbert Report is a satire of the O'Reilly Report) was cancelled by FOX.

Viacom never gave him permission, they actually send their lawyers to complain about him bringing back the character specificially on the Late Show. The Colbert (the other one) is a parody of that while also skirting just enough in originality (iirc the difference between the two is literally that "the other one" wears a pin) that it prevents Viacom from sending their lawyers again.

That said, CBS and Viacom have since undergone a merger, so that entire debacle is now completely moot.
 

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A pattern emerges.
 
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From what I know, he's specifically said that he wanted to move on from that personality. I think at first it was motivated just by the same reason that anyone wants a change of pace from time to time, and later by the fact that the show the character was based on (the Colbert Report is a satire of the O'Reilly Report) was cancelled by FOX.

Viacom never gave him permission, they actually send their lawyers to complain about him bringing back the character specificially on the Late Show. The Colbert (the other one) is a parody of that while also skirting just enough in originality (iirc the difference between the two is literally that "the other one" wears a pin) that it prevents Viacom from sending their lawyers again.

That said, CBS and Viacom have since undergone a merger, so that entire debacle is now completely moot.

You are right about the Viacom interference bit when he tried bringing it back into play. But I think he made the statement of wanting to move on after the initial revelation was made clear that he wasn't entitled to the personality, and that was the only response he could give. He had to reinvent his personality without the fun parts. I believe even after the merger Viacom would still need to okay his use of the character as the merger doesn't just give him license. I would think that such an arrangement to have to ask for permission to be yourself is degrading in nature, and is just easier to be bitter about it and to channel that edge towards furthering his career.
 

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He had to reinvent his personality without the fun parts.
It's literally the same personality though. Again, the sole difference is a pin to skirt the lawyers.

The reason it probably doesn't feel like the same personality is because Colbert's character has started to approach reality rather starkishly in the past several years, which makes it less funny. Like, Colberts over-the-top insane jokes from the Colbert Report were funny because they were the stupid shit from the O'Reilly Report cranked up to 500. The problem is, "cranking the stupid shit of the O'Reilly Report to 500" is Tucker Carlsons daily shtick now, which doesn't make the character a satire anymore.
 

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It's literally the same personality though. Again, the sole difference is a pin to skirt the lawyers.

I was referring to the initial departure. Him bringing it back afterwards should reflect the affinity that he had for it. I don't think it's related to Tucker Carlson. It seems like that he agreed with the contracts because they were "formalities" and that it wasn't fathomable that Viacom would restrict him by it. It's just weird how IP and copyright has gotten to the point where it can restrict someone's character. Even if he has to wear a pin, the awareness of the predicament wouldn't allow for natural creative expression.
 

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It's literally the same personality though. Again, the sole difference is a pin to skirt the lawyers.

The reason it probably doesn't feel like the same personality is because Colbert's character has started to approach reality rather starkishly in the past several years, which makes it less funny. Like, Colberts over-the-top insane jokes from the Colbert Report were funny because they were the stupid shit from the O'Reilly Report cranked up to 500. The problem is, "cranking the stupid shit of the O'Reilly Report to 500" is Tucker Carlsons daily shtick now, which doesn't make the character a satire anymore.
Colbert has caved in towards popularity. Not only popularity, but highschool level glee over popularity. His interviews are hollywood stars egging him on to be oh so interested and flattered by his little personality quirks, of feeling inadequate, and him lapping that up like sweet milk.

His Trump impression is top notch, his writing room is good enough, but pushed to verge more and more on the silly, and never be provocative at all. He adores young writers who write skits about the profane. Which he often features.

He has even institutionalized the 'dance monkey, dance' routine - where he does just that. Dances, when ever he cant handle the pressure of staying serious after a biting commentary.

The 'pandering to black people' skits in the past two weeks were grotesque. So is the usual NBC token black musician, that has to be dumb and less attractive than the host, and thats all - just to fill in the stereotype. Oh sorry, was that CBS hes supposed to be on?

He even was so insecure, that he tried to bring back public drinking for a while and awkwardly drank with his guests, which was always such a boon, when a new hollywood starlet felt peerpreassured into finding that funny. On air.

What he will become after Trump, is anyones guess - but again, Fallon likes childhood games, Corden loves Karaoke, Kimmel has become the 'edgy one' (oh for gods sake..), the whole genre is verging on becoming a thing of the past. At least in any sensibilities, that are not pandering to the heads of the network.

Its time Stewart comes back.

*couchcriticmodeoff*
 
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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/13/business/porter-wright-trump-pennsylvania.html

Since some people like to use NYT for their sources *cough* trump supporters *cough* I wonder how they will take this news.
You're mixing up the New York Post with the New York Times. NYT is generally against Trump. The NYP is a Republican rag with about the same quality as toilet paper.

Anyway, reading the article, it seems like their lawyers weren't down with going on a case that is basically designed to undermine an election, so internal pressure from the company caused them to drop out. Interesting situation, and I totally get why.
 

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Meltdown in 3, 2, 1...

He is slowly realizing his support dwindles. But unfortunately his tactics to do as much reputation damage to the democrats worked out. It's unlikely most of his voters will vote for the democrats in the next few elections because they believe it was rigged :(
 
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