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Trumps miracle cure developed from baby tissue

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Well based on the fact they've mismanaged social security and will now estimated run out by 2035.
This keeps getting bandied about, except it doesn't mean what you think it means. While it's certainly been mismanaged (by whom, and why, is an entirely new argument), it's primarily as a result of a lack of funding to cover the gap. The reality is that the population shift results in a gap of an estimated 23%. There's plenty of shit to bitch about when it comes to Social Security, but oddly enough, the "running out (which it isn't) in 2035" is one of the least.

The VA is in shambles. Thank god trump came in and allowed veterans to have an option to go where they would like to be treated.
You do realize that Veteran's Choice was passed by Obama in 2014 right? Trump, to his credit, did however, expand eligibility. It's now 20 days and 30 mins, as opposed to 30 days and 40 miles. I say this as a vet that uses the VA. Anyway, the administration is claiming a ton of wins here they didn't earn.

and doesn't care at all about balancing any books. If you or I were a million dollars in debt and instead of paying any of it off continued to spend they'd take all of our stuff.
While our spending is certainly out of control, and the deficit should be improved, the LAST thing we want to be doing is paying off large amounts of our debt. To say otherwise belies a VERY poor understanding of the reasons behind the strength of the dollar and global markets. China isn't going to "take all of our stuff" because much of their entire economy is leveraged on their (and everyone else's) investment in our debt.

Otherwise, we agree on healthcare spending. The systems are bloated and mismanaged, much of it as a result of constant regime change, budget adjustments and eligibility management. A national system would actually serve to reduce this, provided a proper watchdog were established. Course, it's also subject to regime changes - just look at the UK's system being bled dry, not by the citizens use, but by the government itself fucking with funding. We also agree on out of control defense spending. Anyway, spent more time in this thread than was necessary, especially for a one-off comment about COVID. I certainly don't come to this forum to discuss politics, heh. Agree or don't. Cheers!

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Abortions simply are not performed in order to harvest cells, so this has nothing to do with one's stance on allowing abortions, even if the tissue in question was actually present in the product. This argument is like saying one should destroy all wood seaships in museums if he thinks crossing the sea on them isn't safe.
Edit: clarifying.
I can only assume we're talking past each other here, chief. There's no other way to explain the miscommunication, cause you're not arguing against the point I made.
 
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Offering someone else's service for free is known as slavery. This is what people don't understand. Healthcare is a service not a good. Cant just force people to provide you with a service. Nationalized healthcare will be just as bad as the public schools or the roads have become. Even though private isnt always the best, its always better than government controlled.
you should google the privatization of the fire department and the history of that. reflects healthcare a bit, though we're just in the middle of the change.
 

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Of course it's my words because they are my opinions. Your problem with them is that they don't fall in line with yours, champ. Your retort sucks, zero quality at all. Carry on.
Ok, one more time then, with crayons. You stated that you believe life begins at conception. You also stated that you would allow abortions in cases of rape. Thus, you believe that killing babies is okay in certain instances. I find this stance difficult to reconcile (thus incongruous). Nothing more, nothing less. My personal position on the topic has ZERO relevance on this discussion, as I'm literally using your position and yours alone. I'm not staying you can't have this position, you certainly can. I just don't see where the line is easily drawn here. I get folks who believe in a woman's choice, and who don't consider it more than a clump of cells up to a certain point. I also understand those who believe life begins at conception. What I don't get is those who consider it life, but are willing to kill it based on the manner in which it was conceived, however tragic. The exception I do understand for pro-life folks is when it comes to danger to the mother. At least then, you're choosing a life or another - that I can reconcile. Yours, not so much.
 

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Meh... I've waited a few days to check if anyone would have any doubts on this, but nobody did.
And to be honest, I'm glad. Sure, I won't deny I'm interested to see how this would play out between Trump and Pence (the latter is the die hard anti abortionist)... But this stuff is just an argument for the sake of an argument.

"but what if you can only live at the expense of unborn foetusses?"

Yeah, sure. Easy points for the abortionists. But at best it annoys the others.

Meanwhile, in the real world, this ain't no 'miracle cure '. It's experimental for a reason. And as deadly as covid is, the chances of survival still outrank death, even in Trump's age group. Even without regeneron.
 

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Ok, one more time then, with crayons. You stated that you believe life begins at conception. You also stated that you would allow abortions in cases of rape. Thus, you believe that killing babies is okay in certain instances. I find this stance difficult to reconcile (thus incongruous). Nothing more, nothing less. My personal position on the topic has ZERO relevance on this discussion, as I'm literally using your position and yours alone. I'm not staying you can't have this position, you certainly can. I just don't see where the line is easily drawn here. I get folks who believe in a woman's choice, and who don't consider it more than a clump of cells up to a certain point. I also understand those who believe life begins at conception. What I don't get is those who consider it life, but are willing to kill it based on the manner in which it was conceived, however tragic. The exception I do understand for pro-life folks is when it comes to danger to the mother. At least then, you're choosing a life or another - that I can reconcile. Yours, not so much.

One more time with crayons? Yeah, but only because that's the equivalent writing tool for your age group. You just flat out PROVED that "My personal position on the topic has ZERO relevance on this discussion" is a bunch of compete bullshit. Talk about pure denial. You also have some reading and/or reading comprehensions issues to work out with yourself. Done with your nonsense. Now off to bed little one. No more crayons and no supper for you. Run along now. Tut tut.
 

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One more time with crayons? Yeah, but only because that's the equivalent writing tool for your age group. You just flat out PROVED that "My personal position on the topic has ZERO relevance on this discussion" is a bunch of compete bullshit. Talk about pure denial. You also have some reading and/or reading comprehensions issues to work out with yourself. Done with your nonsense. Now off to bed little one. No more crayons and no supper for you. Run along now. Tut tut.

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