Homebrew Question What's with the hate?

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Was just browsing the ummm...well, "tinfoil" (trying not to get in trouble here) and just saw a new sections for payloads. What struck me as kind of weird were the descriptions for the different payloads that named atmosphere the "worst" and SXOS the "best" CFW along side hekate labeled as "really bad bootloader".

I'm not really sure I understand what the hate is all about.
From my perspective on what went on at the the time in this forum:

When the Switch scene started, and the exploit was found and known to be unpatchable, this forum reached maybe (?) peak activity - mostly caused by people wanting "free" and waiting for the different implementations to be finished.

Most of those people were uneducated ('whats a jailbreak'), uninterested in anything on a more than superfluous level, unwilling to do research, only here for the purpose of 'someone else do the work and tell me most easy way to...'.

When Team Xecutor was resurrected by name (rly?), those would have been the people that where interested in "brand", because "brand did something they remembered 15 years ago" (or were told that was grand, by people who remembered). And who didnt care the least about the differentiation between FOSS and 'commercial product'.

Anywho - from that point forward it was 'off to the races' on who would have a functioning implementation first.

Xecutor indeed was first - and started to sell 'software licenses' at which point I certainly facepalmed (dont you see the irony here?) - but the majority of the community in here just didnt care.

Then the predictable problematic thing happened.

More than half of the people in here bought a "software license" for piracy, because thats what first was available - people with a little more technological knowledge, or lets say "interest in ecosystems" (rather than "uh - first to piracy"), in general - were dismissive of the "need most easy, bought piracy software license from chinese vendor, support MEEEE" attitude and told about half of the people in here to flip off to the team xecutor forums for support then.

The rest is cognitive dissonance.

People who bought piracy licenses went to xecutor forums en mass - didnt get the support they often needed, came flocking back - were told (by me even) eff off, idiot - no support for you. But had paid for software licenses for the honors of being first to piracy, so had this strange mental block of admitting that they just were tools 'who didnt care about a scene at all' - and started to retaliate in rhetorical argument. ;)

Something, something, SXOS is so much better because of one of two features (SXOS first to emunand (increased complexity, which people couldnt handle), and SXOS being the only ecosystem that has an implementation for external storage devices (worse solution, tethers your switch - but storage for mass piracy is cheaper.)).
Something, something, but we still want people that care about the homebrew scene aspect to support us.
Something, something about not being able to cope with being told, flipp off to your commercial vendor for support then.

Something about feeling entitled to being supported for free.

I think I personally quoted Rorschach once in accordance to having to support SXOS users who returned from the commercial forums at the time, to request mass support.. ;)

Something along the lines of:
“The streets are extended gutters and the gutters are full of blood and when the drains finally scab over, all the vermin will drown. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the whores and politicians will look up and shout 'SAVE US!'...and I'll look down and whisper 'No.”

;)

So in my mind, this always was a 'cultural conflict'. ;)
 
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So a fairly mediocre sequel to a party fighting game, a slightly more risk taking but ultimately mediocre 3d platformer, another kirby game (and kirby was always third rate), a boring fighting game with a motion control gimmick, yet another pokemon without much new to bring to the table. So Nintendo first party CPR, same as it has been since the SNES or DS, depending upon how you want to look at it. Whoo.

Hybrid = handheld with HDMI out.

Gimmicks is nice, games is nicer.
Come on man...
Odyssey isn't that amazing, but hardly mediocre. Smash is possibly one of the best respected fighting game franchises. Kirby is a top tier character. It isn't more present because HAL knows better than that.

And the Switch itself is an amazing device. Sure, not as powerful as many wanted, but we are not there yet.
 

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Come on man...
Odyssey isn't that amazing, but hardly mediocre. Smash is possibly one of the best respected fighting game franchises. Kirby is a top tier character. It isn't more present because HAL knows better than that.

And the Switch itself is an amazing device. Sure, not as powerful as many wanted, but we are not there yet.

Name another system that can play Vesperia on the go without compromises to the game. Or another system that can play an open 3D Mario (that isn't 64). And doesn't require cutting out a loan for emulation said games.

You (not you you, but the person inciting this particular subtopic) might not value some things. But people such as myself who has been into the handheld market since the GBA and PSP, wants to play console games anywhere, and doesn't even have a working TV to play old consoles on highly value the Switch even if you aren't particularly interested in things like the ports. Remember that there's a subdivision of people that buys anything, and I'm the dipshit that buys the ports despite people moaning about them.

The devil of subjectivity is a toughie.

But this isn't a discussion about the Switch itself, now is it?
 

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Name another system that can play Vesperia on the go without compromises to the game. Or another system that can play an open 3D Mario (that isn't 64). And doesn't require cutting out a loan for emulation said games.

You (not you you, but the person inciting this particular subtopic) might not value some things. But people such as myself who has been into the handheld market since the GBA and PSP, wants to play console games anywhere, and doesn't even have a working TV to play old consoles on highly value the Switch even if you aren't particularly interested in things like the ports. Remember that there's a subdivision of people that buys anything, and I'm the dipshit that buys the ports despite people moaning about them.

The devil of subjectivity is a toughie.

But this isn't a discussion about the Switch itself, now is it?
What are you on about? Are you sure you are replying to the intended target?
 

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