Yeah, I had a feeling that would be the case. Thanks for sharing your impressions.
Enjoy the nostalgia!
Enjoy the nostalgia!
PC Engine Mini Announced
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It seems like its got graphical interpolation issues baked in along with the input lag and audio delay. Yuck!
Both of the M2 helmed minis appear to ace it in looks but fumble on substance and considering when modded all you can do is run RA anyway as the OG emulator is encrypted it really makes no sense to get one compared to a PSC if its inferior quality gameplay.
@subcon959 If possible could you run the same title on both the Mini and PSC then switch back and forth to see how it is in the real world as I know some reviewers just gripe for no reason and it would be nice to get some insight.
It seems like its got graphical interpolation issues baked in along with the input lag and audio delay. Yuck!
Both of the M2 helmed minis appear to ace it in looks but fumble on substance and considering when modded all you can do is run RA anyway as the OG emulator is encrypted it really makes no sense to get one compared to a PSC if its inferior quality gameplay.
@subcon959 If possible could you run the same title on both the Mini and PSC then switch back and forth to see how it is in the real world as I know some reviewers just gripe for no reason and it would be nice to get some insight.
I'm sure RA would be better regardless of which console it was running on. Don't forget the PSC was widely regarded as the worst mini ever before it got hacked. For me, they are all nice collectibles that are good for a bit of fun now and again. I don't take them seriously enough to care about a bit of lag here or there, but I do think the emulation should have been perfect for the price (you can't unsee the shimmer on R-type once someone points it out).
Yeah, the PSC really over delivers on the emulation front compared to standard but it also has way more grunt than any other Mini which is why PCE with scanlines and HQ2X shaders looks/plays phenomenally good. The SNES has been the best Mini out of the gate though as it did what it was supposed to so well. Those M2 glitches really put me off both of their versions as I don't expect perfection but come on, these consoles aren't hard to emulate well on low spec hardware so there really should be no excuse.
If you do ever do a side by side test of both the PSC/RA and PC E Mini on the same titles I'd be interested to hear what the difference is like. Still really dig the look of the console but not £100 dig! Half that and its worth a punt.
That said I'm tempted to get a Shield TV as that is a total powerhouse with what it can emulate and how well but something about OG controllers on an official dedicated device just does it.
If you do ever do a side by side test of both the PSC/RA and PC E Mini on the same titles I'd be interested to hear what the difference is like. Still really dig the look of the console but not £100 dig! Half that and its worth a punt.
That said I'm tempted to get a Shield TV as that is a total powerhouse with what it can emulate and how well but something about OG controllers on an official dedicated device just does it.
Both Hakchi2 CE and Project Lunar allow using stock emulator, there's a compatibility list for it.
The latter app offers some additional features, like tweaks for scanlines and performance.
Sorry for getting offtopic here (though, those same tools will likely get PCE mini support later),
Thank you, not owning either I don't really stay up on the latest news for them. Hakchi especially is good news as thats always been a great utility but again I haven't checked for it since the SNES was released as I only added a handful of titles to enjoy.
With Minis - well SNES mainly as thats all I can compare - I prefer using the stock emulator as opposed to being another RA box, plus the SNES had some awesome quality of life features (Does RA have anything like that Ambilight pulsating border which extends the on screen colours into the 16:9 area beyond the 4:3 playing field?). With the PSC it is just a RA box so it doesn't matter.
I wonder if you can use the PCE Mini controllers on the PSC? I think the MD Mini ones don't work properly but that would be a great workaround to get the best of both worlds if possible.
I will skip it since many games are bad on this system. Only good games: Bonk and Castlevania. Not good enough so I am not wasting my money yon it. However, Europe PC Engine looks stunned console and beautiful, thought. It will be missed anyway. Save my money for PS5 instead.
To be honest, I don't actually own any of those mini consoles myself, I just like reading news about them.
ModMyClassic might have some useful resources regarding new hacks and stuff, if you're interested.
P.S. It's sad seeing how Konami kinda screwed up this release, because, in my opinion, the original PCE was one of the most underrated consoles of its time.
I wouldn't go as far as to say they screwed it up. It's actually a great little system and tons of fun. It's just that people were expecting it to be perfect and of course it was never going to be. When I first plugged it in, I was only going to give it a quick test just to make sure I didn't get a defective one, and I actually ended up playing for a couple hours. The only really bad thing is the scanlines but most people seem to prefer to play without them these days.
The lag thing is too variable and subjective to really judge from other peoples accounts. Some TVs do a lot of post-processing and even in the so-called "game mode" they are still terrible. Plus, some people are just way more sensitive to it than others. The only game I found it an issue on for me was Ninja Gaiden, but I could probably get over it with practice, and I'm sure the original was kinda crappy to control anyway.
The lag thing is too variable and subjective to really judge from other peoples accounts. Some TVs do a lot of post-processing and even in the so-called "game mode" they are still terrible. Plus, some people are just way more sensitive to it than others. The only game I found it an issue on for me was Ninja Gaiden, but I could probably get over it with practice, and I'm sure the original was kinda crappy to control anyway.
Hey, you don't have to explain yourself to me. If you like it, you like it. I don't have one so can't comment but its interesting how you won't do a side by side with the PSC just to see how the emulation compares.
I do agree that a lot of people online shriek over the tiniest things but the MD Mini was so far behind the SNES Mini in terms of experience that it made me cautious of this and you know how interested I was in it.
I do agree that a lot of people online shriek over the tiniest things but the MD Mini was so far behind the SNES Mini in terms of experience that it made me cautious of this and you know how interested I was in it.
Well, I have no doubts that it's quality enough, I just wish they advertised it a little bit more, and also made it easier to get one (i.e. not just through Amazon). ¯\(ツ)/¯
Yeah, Konami made some pretty stupid decisions along the way. The game list has some glaring omissions for a start, and then the Amazon deal was ridiculous (kinda reminds me of Epic Games exclusive deals).
If anyone is interested there are now some CG and TG16 minis in stock on Amazon JP.
Reviewers really seem reticent about going at M2 in regards to the emulation flaws this time compared to the MD Mini:
Even in the way they're phrasing it and bouncing around the topics. Odd. Good news is that they said the CRT filter is slightly improved from the MD Mini which is great as that was my main issue. Audio and input lag seem to be present though.
If anyone has got one and a hacked PCE please do side by sides and let me know which has the better emulation experience. Gotta admit that real controller and nice looking case thing makes it very tempting but not £100 tempting.
Even in the way they're phrasing it and bouncing around the topics. Odd. Good news is that they said the CRT filter is slightly improved from the MD Mini which is great as that was my main issue. Audio and input lag seem to be present though.
If anyone has got one and a hacked PCE please do side by sides and let me know which has the better emulation experience. Gotta admit that real controller and nice looking case thing makes it very tempting but not £100 tempting.
People complaining of controller ports not working on the Mini:
https://www.reddit.com/r/TurboGrafx/comments/fq192r/pce_mini_controller_port_issues/
Could be a factory flaw or due to the PSU you use so check the thread if you're buying one.
Anyone who has one comment on the input lag in Lords Of Thunder?
https://www.reddit.com/r/TurboGrafx/comments/fq192r/pce_mini_controller_port_issues/
Could be a factory flaw or due to the PSU you use so check the thread if you're buying one.
Anyone who has one comment on the input lag in Lords Of Thunder?
CoreGrafx released on Amazon UK today.. £99 seems so expensive when you compare it to the very reasonable £48 Megadrive mini is on sale for at the moment. The real question is 6 months from now will it reduce like SEGA or is it gonna be like Nintendo who apparently have figured out how to emulate Ferrari.
Also, why the frik are the extra controllers still not out till December?? Not that it matters when there will be a much better option in July from 8bitdo.
Also, why the frik are the extra controllers still not out till December?? Not that it matters when there will be a much better option in July from 8bitdo.
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Meh. This will drop to half, easily.
Everyone who is an ubernerd with poor impulse control already imported so there will be stock lying around just like all the other Minis not made by Nintendo. MD Mini will be worth it once it drops to £30 but really a modded PSX just does it all so much better... Playing retro without shaders and crisp scanlines just doesn't cut it although I do like the original controllers even though the PSX ones are perfectly serviceable and its emulation quality (especially sound for MD and shimmer on PCE) is far ahead of the officials.
These mini half cards are a nice touch though:
That 8bitdo controller (and all of their crap in general due to how bad the dpads are) isn't what its cracked up to be due to the weird turbo functionality for PCE so look into that before buying and crying salty tears of disappointment.
Everyone who is an ubernerd with poor impulse control already imported so there will be stock lying around just like all the other Minis not made by Nintendo. MD Mini will be worth it once it drops to £30 but really a modded PSX just does it all so much better... Playing retro without shaders and crisp scanlines just doesn't cut it although I do like the original controllers even though the PSX ones are perfectly serviceable and its emulation quality (especially sound for MD and shimmer on PCE) is far ahead of the officials.
These mini half cards are a nice touch though:
That 8bitdo controller (and all of their crap in general due to how bad the dpads are) isn't what its cracked up to be due to the weird turbo functionality for PCE so look into that before buying and crying salty tears of disappointment.
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Great, non starry eyed review here which just made this slide further down the interesting waste of money list than it was as they've carried forth all the negatives from the MD Mini as suspected.
Crap, dull CRT filter with no gamma tweak? Check
Shimmer? Check
7 frames of audio lag? Check
4 frames of input lag? Check
If anyone who owns both a RA modded PSC and PCE Mini doesn't feel too butthurt for some reason and would like to do a side by side to see which one has the more accurate emulation feel that would be appreciated as I tend to notice these kind of things so its a bit of a deal breaker.
Maybe I was spoiled by the SNES Mini which comes really, really close to the original feel because everything else has been pretty much "almost but not quite" in full effect.
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