Sony struggling to keep PS5 cost down

DANTENDO · Feb 23, 2020

FAST6191 said:
If you are trying to communicate your point and not come across as a cunt, or be a cunt to those that do not have English as a first language such that they can infer what you mean, then an honest try at proper spelling and grammar does go a long way.

As for ass rather than arse if you want to be a polite American (seriously, ass became adopted in America as it was deemed less vulgar) then far be for me to stop people from making a fool of themselves.

I'm not trying to be anything - everyone has ther own typing style it's like Jackie chan wouldn't tel bruce Lee how to fight lol and vice versa and mine is perfectly understandable after a few mins to anyone if ther learning English - and thts rich coming from you yes you hav a massive vocabulary and I appreciate what you hav learnt but it would take some users here until ther grey to understand yr words lol

JayMathis · Feb 23, 2020

I think Sony wants to charge $599, but they're afraid to after PS3.

subcon959 · Feb 23, 2020

JayMathis said:
I think Sony wants to charge $599, but they're afraid to after PS3.

It's going to be really interesting to see who announces the price first, and then if the other company undercuts them or not (some people perceive higher price as higher quality so it's not a straightforward decision).

DANTENDO · Feb 23, 2020

subcon959 said:
It's going to be really interesting to see who announces the price first, and then if the other company undercuts them or not (some people perceive higher price as higher quality so it's not a straightforward decision).

Tht doesn't happen in the video game industry - I think mor people would buy a playstn even if 100 quid mor and slightly less powerful than new xbox just because the xbox has stupid names for ther machines

FAST6191 · Feb 23, 2020

DANTENDO said:
I'm not trying to be anything - everyone has ther own typing style it's like Jackie chan wouldn't tel bruce Lee how to fight lol and vice versa and mine is perfectly understandable after a few mins to anyone if ther learning English - and thts rich coming from you yes you hav a massive vocabulary and I appreciate what you hav learnt but it would take some users here until ther grey to understand yr words lol

That is possibly the worst analogy I have heard in a while on so many levels.
Martial arts, especially Bruce Lee's stuff (seriously look up his philosophy and everything that led to jeet kune do), is usually all about compare and contrast, and if someone has something better than you then you go learn it/get it taught. Likewise watch the behind the scenes of any number of Jackie Chan films and you will see him and the martial artists on set learn and debate things.
Beyond that this is not martial arts; you are attempting to convey a message, and frequently not to native

How do you know yours is perfectly understandable? Most people can read what they themselves wrote. On the flip side any language learner or studier anywhere will tell you that slang, typos, malformed expressions and idioms are some of the hardest things to get to grips with in doing languages. If anecdote works as well then if you credit me with some capability in the language then I am telling you what you write is slow and tedious to read at very best and requires serious active thought regardless.
I realise I am not without flaws in this arena either (my penchant for verbosity and flowery phrasing tending to make things harder than might be ideal for those not already versed in such patterns of speech), however I try to hold it back and will go again if I failed to do so. To be defiant in it would just be a dick move.

DANTENDO said:
Tht doesn't happen in the video game industry - I think mor people would buy a playstn even if 100 quid mor and slightly less powerful than new xbox just because the xbox has stupid names for ther machines

Is this the same thing as the Wii U failed because of its name?

smf · Feb 23, 2020

DANTENDO said:
No I kno nothing about this stupid freddo indicator I didn't kno they still existed as last time I bought one was prob around the ps1 days

I didn't know they'd bought them back in the 90's.

DANTENDO · Feb 23, 2020

FAST6191 said:
That is possibly the worst analogy I have heard in a while on so many levels.
Martial arts, especially Bruce Lee's stuff (seriously look up his philosophy and everything that led to jeet kune do), is usually all about compare and contrast, and if someone has something better than you then you go learn it/get it taught. Likewise watch the behind the scenes of any number of Jackie Chan films and you will see him and the martial artists on set learn and debate things.
Beyond that this is not martial arts; you are attempting to convey a message, and frequently not to native

How do you know yours is perfectly understandable? Most people can read what they themselves wrote. On the flip side any language learner or studier anywhere will tell you that slang, typos, malformed expressions and idioms are some of the hardest things to get to grips with in doing languages. If anecdote works as well then if you credit me with some capability in the language then I am telling you what you write is slow and tedious to read at very best and requires serious active thought regardless.
I realise I am not without flaws in this arena either (my penchant for verbosity and flowery phrasing tending to make things harder than might be ideal for those not already versed in such patterns of speech), however I try to hold it back and will go again if I failed to do so. To be defiant in it would just be a dick move.

Is this the same thing as the Wii U failed because of its name?

I think I'm gonna block you I'm sick of yr negative views especially around the video game industry plus I really can't be arsed to read yr long winded msgs as ther so dull to me - don't mean to be rude but thts how it is

nine0nine · Feb 23, 2020

shut up, you fucking moron.

mightymuffy · Feb 23, 2020

FAST6191 said:
Also 2 and 6 probably means 2 shillings and 6 pence. If you do want to get lost in the weeds http://projectbritain.com/moneyold.htm

As for mars bars 35p seems steep, especially if you were oop north. Even ignoring that I don'tn particularly like the taste they always seemed like a false economy to me so I never went in for them -- same money could get you a whole bunch of sweets from a jar (even more if you got sour pips or aniseed), or maybe a milky way or two, possibly a flake and not a milkybar as the only ones around here were giant. If you were completely lacking taste then maybe two curly whirlys, or even more fudge bars. I would say something about Freddos in that but they were not actually that bad and still cost 10p at that point.

- quality post by FAST again! Yeah fukk the PS5 waffle, lets talk about Mars bars! I remember King Size Mars Bars, not that Duo bollocks they do now, being 25p, but that was late 80s, so to generalise (and maybe factor in posh Southerners!) I stabbed at 35p for the PS1 launch in 1995 ...was actually waiting for the topic to derail into 'but the PS1 was only £300 at launch' picky bastard comment, but thankfully gbatemp delivers again!
Yeah I don't like Mars bars much myself, it's just the common point of reference whenever mother decides to complain about the price of stuff these days! Y'know: 'How much?!?! I remember when you could get a Mars bar for 2 and 6!!'

Anyway. resisting the urge to continue down that road (we could be here all night!), the jump in CPU power, combined with the move to ssd drives, kind of still leans me on the side of forgiving Sony for a possible $500 rrp... we all know a 1TB ssd costs a lot more than, err, 2 and 6.... (shit I can't stop myself!) and that change from the usual mechanical hdd will provide a generational AT LEAST jump. Also the Ryzen/Zen2 based cpu is in a completely different league from the rather-garbage-at-launch Jaguar setup found in the PS4... Even the gpu, while the mooted figure of 9.2Tflops doesn't sound that much over the 4.3 found in the PS4 Pro, will still perform even better in reality: Digital Foundry's recent gpu tests pitted a newer Navi based card with pretty much the same tflops count as an older model and the newer card was at least 20% more powerful. (Plus there's the hardware ray-tracing, whatever that actually turns out to be)
So I think the more premium price is justified this time. And who knows, maybe Sony have their own Lockhart style base model that focuses more on 1080p gaming, and comes with a probable sub-$400 rrp to boot..

FAST6191 · Feb 23, 2020

On this drive size business then I am always wary of things here -- cars, phones, consoles (see the 360), even hard drives before people started sticking things in caddies, USB drives for a while (everybody I knew had a SD reader/CF reader + associated card if they needed more than a word document transfer stick) and more have all tried pulling a fast one.

As for the specs. Hopefully we get something nice, and not maps shrunk even further down so gameplay level wise I start seeing the cracks like we do with N64 games (especially after someone explains, it, I will have to find that video I saw on mario kart 64). I am still not convinced it is anything other than an in place upgrade as it well to contemporary hardware. If they want to launch 4k into the sun and maybe come back when people actually care* then I am OK with that.

*I might be persuaded to care if they give me 4 player split screen such that we all have nice 1080p screens.

DANTENDO said:
I think I'm gonna block you I'm sick of yr negative views especially around the video game industry plus I really can't be arsed to read yr long winded msgs as ther so dull to me - don't mean to be rude but thts how it is

If the game industry does not want my negative views they should not be so easy to be negative about. I was having a righteously great time for decades until later in the day of the 360 (PS3 had also sort of caught up by then so I imagine people could have had some fun there too if they have the odd shaped hands required to hold a PS3 controller at length) and then they have decided to continually faceplant in shit this last generation.
That said the game industry is big enough and ugly enough that it does not have to concern itself with what I think. They will probably continue to make games, and if they do get a nice round of big boy bankruptcies and basically a proper crash (not going to happen) then there are still thousands of games already out there, homebrew devs and mod makers that will keep anybody reading this sitting in new games until they die.

depaul · Feb 23, 2020

Sony could optimize about 100 $ with a simple trick: Instead of one big SSD, they could design the base model for instance with : 500 GB SSD and 1 TB HDD.

Because games usually feature big media files (intro FMV,...) and with the advent of 4k / 8k contents those FMV will easily become overkill for the valuable expensive SSD. So they could design PS5 with dual drives : SSD for game executables, textures,.. and HDD to store movies.

This idea is already implemented to PCs market.

WarioWaffles · Feb 24, 2020

depaul said:
Sony could optimize about 100 $ with a simple trick: Instead of one big SSD, they could design the base model for instance with : 500 GB SSD and 1 TB HDD.

Because games usually feature big media files (intro FMV,...) and with the advent of 4k / 8k contents those FMV will easily become overkill for the valuable expensive SSD. So they could design PS5 with dual drives : SSD for game executables, textures,.. and HDD to store movies.

This idea is already implemented to PCs market.

Or consumer mode, driveless and you buy your own but I think too many people would complain.

uyjulian · Feb 27, 2020

WarioWaffles said:
Or consumer mode, driveless and you buy your own but I think too many people would complain.

I bet people bought the Xbox 360 with the separate HDD add-on
Also, I bet people bought the separate HDD unit for the Playstation 2

Bladexdsl · Mar 11, 2020

NO E3 reveal

dudephanith · Mar 13, 2020

DANTENDO said:
thers no excuse for not having enough money for the latest console - you get like 5 6 years to put by few hundred quid thts not difficult its just people dont think - so ther doesnt need to be a lower cost option of anything

Unless, you didnt buy games for all those years.

DANTENDO · Mar 13, 2020

dudephanith said:
Unless, you didnt buy games for all those years.

Gamers if they think just a little bit can either hav a spanking new ps5 saved in a couple of years or hav loads of ugly spots from wasting ther cash on sweets and fizzy drinks

FAST6191 · Mar 13, 2020

Or you can wait a few more years, have cheap consoles with all the hacks, teething problems from the first consoles hopefully worked out (or at least known about, hopefully it does not conflict with hacks), a decent second hand market for things and know if they are getting games or are duds.

64bitmodels · Mar 27, 2020

azoreseuropa said:
I dont mind for this cost since you have plenty time to save money. It is okay if they have PS4 backward compatibility but if they also have PS1,PS2, and PS3 (I doubt) on PS5 as well then 599 will be worth. Otherwise, 450 to 499 sounds right.

For PC.. Yes and no. I'm into God of War and it wont be on PC.. Many other games that aren't available on PC and wont be on PC. So I m stick with PS things, thought.

For Nintendo .. I cannot care. Nintendo Switch is going to be my last one unless they won me over for 3rd party AAA fully supporting or Nintendo is not getting mine.

I am into for both .. Not just playability. It doesn't mean anything. Sony all the way. SONY IS THE BEST! Nintendo is.. BLEH.. They dont know how. Look at failed N64, Nintendo Game Cube, Wii, and Wii U. BLEH.

No one was mentioning nintendo lmfao
Also the wii was literally the second most successful video game console of all time lol, they do know how
As for PC, Sony's starting this trend of porting previous ps4 exclusives to pc, with horizon zero dawn and Crash coming over. God of War could be coming too.

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DANTENDO said:
Didn't you say the same thing with the ps4-is 2447 games not enough for you https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_PlayStation_4_games

dude stop cherrypicking with the ps4 lol, he's talking about the ps5
the ps5 won't have any games at launch day. you'd know this if you even knew consoles

DANTENDO · Mar 27, 2020

64bitmodels said:
dude stop cherrypicking with the ps4 lol, he's talking about the ps5
the ps5 won't have any games at launch day. you'd know this if you even knew consoles

He also said ps4 which you've not obviously seen and he is a constant depressing negative person with his bs long posts thts why I blocked him

smf · Mar 27, 2020

DANTENDO said:
Tht doesn't happen in the video game industry

It has

[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/1996/05/20/business/sony-cuts-machine-s-price.html[/URL]
https://segaretro.org/Press_release:_1996-05-17:_Sega_Saturn_Price_Drops_to_$199

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