There you have your humanity. People sometimes only wait for excuses to bask in the suffering of others. Which they very happily will induce.Well it turns out this absolute cunt has taken the easy way out. Shame we won't get to enjoy knowing he is rotting in prison for the rest of his miserable life. Though at least this way there is no way for him to ever harm anybody else.
Agreed. It's revenge, not punishment. Revenge doesn't cause anything but further suffering. His misery wouldn't unrape those kids, nor fix their lives, nor prevent something like this from happening again. It's a primal, emotional instinct to do harm to those that cause us misery, and while revenge may be cathartic, it is short-lived and ultimately fruitless.There you have your humanity. People sometimes only wait for excuses to bask in the suffering of others. Which they very happily will induce.
Understand, that I get just how effed up and wrong even just the part of what I read about his life was. But everytime someone tells me, I have children, so now I want to tell you about how I would have received joy from letting him rot, and was shortchanged by him killing himself, I think to myself - yes, this is also what society tries to prevent.
If you are personally connected to one of the victims - slightly different story. But you are not (statistically speaking). You are just sharing your violence fantasies with the world.
I have no moral qualms about revelling in the suffering of a monster who calculatedly trafficked children so that they can be raped over and over again. I think it would be immoral not to. If there isn't a horrifying punishment for this behaviour, then perhaps some people who might be considering it wouldn't think twice.There you have your humanity. People sometimes only wait for excuses to bask in the suffering of others. Which they very happily will induce.
Understand, that I get just how effed up and wrong even just the part of what I read about his life was. But everytime someone tells me, I have children, so now I want to tell you about how I would have received joy from letting him rot, and was shortchanged by him killing himself, I think to myself - yes, this is also what society tries to prevent.
If you are personally connected to one of the victims - slightly different story. But you are not (statistically speaking). You are just sharing your violence fantasies with the world.
*sigh*The reason those people are pervert because of influence from porn. It made some people doing crazy things and disgusting things.
It can't be immoral not to derive pleasure from the suffering of another person. Because not all people do.I have no moral qualms about revelling in the suffering of a monster who calculatedly trafficked children so that they can be raped over and over again. I think it would be immoral not to. If there isn't a horrifying punishment for this behaviour, then perhaps some people who might be considering it wouldn't think twice.
Please don't spread misinformation. People have been committing these acts millennia before porn existed.The reason those people are pervert because of influence from porn. It made some people doing crazy things and disgusting things.
Please don't spread misinformation. People have been committing these acts millennia before porn existed.
Did you read any of the research notimp cited? His post completely debunks what you're saying.I am talking about the future.. Not before that. It is much worse now after porn existed.
Actually no:I am talking about the future.. Not before that. It is much worse now after porn existed.
You can't know the future. Additionally, there are yet to be many studies on long-term effects of sexual crime rate due to new-age pornography.I am talking about the future.. Not before that. It is much worse now after porn existed.
I didn't mean it was immoral not to derive pleasure from it. I meant it is immoral not to do it. Punishing behaviour which is unacceptable is how animal societies work. Canines, apes, dolphins, and lots of other later-evolving mammals will inflict pain on members of their pack in order to bring them in line. If they don't do it, there is less incentive for the pack to remain well-behaved and cohesive. Put another way, if there are no negative consequences to an action then an individual is more likely to do it if they are already inclined to do so, whereas if they know there is a chance of a horrible consequence to them of that action, then they might (attempt to) restrain themselves from that action. There is nothing immoral about imposing punishment under circumstances like this, and failing to punish behaviour like this is immoral as it increases the likelihood of the behaviour being repeated and therefore impacts negatively on the welfare of others. Taking pleasure from knowing that a disgusting act is being punished is cathartic yes, and this is important for the human psyche. Again, I do not consider this immoral as long as the punishment is proportionate to the action.It can't be immoral not to derive pleasure from the suffering of another person. Because not all people do.
You are assuming I share these views and attitudes with others. I don't. I don't need to know whether something is socially accepted or shared with the public, or a common/shared notion, to decide for myself whether or not I consider it to be moral. I make those decisions as an individual, not a member of a collective. It's what empathy is for. I don't need to negotiate morals with others because I can determine for myself whether or not my actions are harmful to others, and if that harm is necessary.Now, your position is generally socially accepted. But then there is something about sharing that feeling with the public to get a "common/shared notion" of basking in someones suffering.
Would you not consider it a miscarriage of justice if he were let off on a technicality and allowed to go free with no punishment? How is it any different to know that this happened because of suicide?We generally don't want that as a society. The second line you crossed was to feel deprived, once the other person died, because you (as per your argument), couldnt get enough of the suffering to feel - what you needed to feel.
Again, I don't care if this is a line for others. If somebody has orchestrated the rape of children then I will openly acknowledge that I derive pleasure from knowing that they now are suffering as a result.So those sorts of feelings are normal or at least somewhat common. To try to connect in them with others, publicly is a little more problematic. To feel betrayed by someones death, because you couldn't see them suffer enough - is a little more over the line.
Ahh, I think I see the disconnect here. I am not feeling pleasure on my own behalf. It's not a sense of self-satisfaction that I KNOW that MY NEED for retribution was met. As you have said, it doesn't affect me at all either way as I don't know the victims or the perpetrator. But empathy allows me to take the perspective, to an extent, of the victims and the people who love them. And I know that THEY would be justified in feeling robbed of the knowledge that he is being punished for his actions, and I feel cheated on their behalf. The pleasure I feel in knowing a disgusting child rapist is now suffering is because I know that this will represent in some way reparations for the victims and their families.The point I would make is, that none of you getting pleasure out of it, actually would help the victims, or even potential victims in the future. So from that position as well, its hard to see your position as 'a moral one'.
Well there we definitely agree. I do not believe in objective morality, but I think that wellbeing is a reasonable basis for some shared understanding of morals. And a world without punishment would be contrary to wellbeing in my opinion.Moral philosophy is not 'clear cut' though. So you could still be right and I could be wrong.
Yes, potentially - but then they are very likely to get a 'release' shortly thereafter.. So the thing of 'obsessing about some thing that you might want, but dont have' - doesnt accumulate and doesnt amplify negative (harmful) thoughts in the same way. Because its actually interrupted by periods of feeling good. I've not read into the theory of sex addiction (think David Duchovny ) so I dont know when for some people it becomes bothersome - but generally, its really not that much of a problem.I think porn can trigger certain individuals that are already sick in the head.
There you have your humanity. People sometimes only wait for excuses to bask in the suffering of others. Which they very happily will induce.
Understand, that I get just how effed up and wrong even just the part of what I read about his life was. But everytime someone tells me, I have children, so now I want to tell you about how I would have received joy from letting him rot, and was shortchanged by him killing himself, I think to myself - yes, this is also what society tries to prevent.
If you are personally connected to one of the victims - slightly different story. But you are not (statistically speaking). You are just sharing your violence fantasies with the world.