Having overwhelming liberal people in college probably isn’t a good idea. There are many things in the world we don’t know about that isn’t as clear cut as earth is not flat.It really depends on the university and the professors, but on the whole I would say that yes, universities are left-leaning, especially when it comes to humanities. It does colour their judgement and the way the professors teach - being on the left is considered enlightened and progressive, being on the right is considered close-minded and regressive. Many universities cave to the dumbest of requests of their student body, others have actually been infiltrated by people obsessed with PC culture. Would I call it indoctrination? Perhaps, only if you're too weak to resist it, I suppose. As far as I'm concerned, you should be doing whatever it takes to get the degree and the grades you need. From what I've observed, universities do try to accommodate the demands of right-wing students by inviting right-wing speakers, however it's also clear to me that being right-wing, particularly on campus, is demonised and the "threat" of allowing a different ideology to be discussed is grossly exaggerated.
I mean, you're not wrong. Though I would suggest they're saying the right things, but are aholes for not following through. I'm guessing you aren't suggesting most liberals are rich white kids lol. Your argument seems more against those who just say they're progressive while not actually being progressive.My qualm with progressives is that they teach principles that they don't follow.California universities are filled with rich Californians that live in predominantly white enclaves yet they preach diversity when they themselves don't live in diverse areas.I can't respect people that tell YOU to do something,when they themselves do the complete opposite.It screams of utter hypocrisy.Rich liberals say to bring in all the illegals,just don't bring them into their neighborhoods.It's a ridiculous ideology to have if you ask me.
Social sciences are definitely an area where the left and the right should be debating the pros and cons of policy at all times, which is how things used to work. I do find issue with your post in the sense that you "can't provide scientific evidence" for the efficacy of the death penalty, or in any other fringe issue - you absolutely can. You can look at recidivism rates, for instance - how many prisoners who served 25 years end up in the prison system again? The death penalty gives you a recidivism rate of 0% - the convict is executed. On the flip side, you have to look at how many innocents die in the process, only to be found not guilty upon further investigation. What is the cost of life imprisonment versus the death penalty? There are certainly figures that can be discussed besides the moral argument, which is the whole reason why having diverse opinions among the students and the staff is important in the first place. If these issues could not be supported by figures, all social sciences could be conflated to philosophy, which is obviously not the case.Having overwhelming liberal people in college probably isn’t a good idea. There are many things in the world we don’t know about that isn’t as clear cut as earth is not flat.
Fiscal policy, foreign policy, some parts of domestic policy, if affirmative action (maybe) is a good idea, or if the death penalty a good idea, or other issues like these.
There are types of issues that are not as black and white, here is scientific evidence to show you what’s better. You can’t provide scientific evidence to say death penalty is bad or not bad, or at least not to the same extent as evidence for evolution. This is where conservatives and liberal personalities come in to bring different perspectives. And both can have good arguments for issues we don’t have research and facts for. For people to say more liberals in college because liberals are smarter sounds like arrogance and then overstating how much they know about the world.
The only thing that I might want to add there is, that for social groups to wait for issues to be solved by other social groups, is kind of something that might not work.My qualm with progressives is that they teach principles that they don't follow.California universities are filled with rich Californians that live in predominantly white enclaves yet they preach diversity when they themselves don't live in diverse areas.I can't respect people that tell YOU to do something,when they themselves do the complete opposite.It screams of utter hypocrisy.Rich liberals say to bring in all the illegals,just don't bring them into their neighborhoods.It's a ridiculous ideology to have if you ask me.
i see you never visited europe?There's no use in talking politics on libtemp.People just don't li
So because Europe is extremely liberal that means that American universities are conservatives?Look at the mess Europe has become in certain countries.In Europe the gender roles are completely reversed,the men are submissive while the women are dominant.Is this really something you want to see happen in America?
When it comes to the legal system, beyond just wanting to inflict harm, we measure the usefulness of the punishment in how effective it is as a deterrent to similar actions/changing of behaviour. Recidivism is one of the tools used to measure this effectiveness, it's not the measurement itself. Obviously you can't use recidivism as proof of usefulness if you aren't using it to measure for usefulness. We want to measure usefulness and cost, as well as morally investigate new methods that may prove more useful and less costly.Social sciences are definitely an area where the left and the right should be debating the pros and cons of policy at all times, which is how things used to work. I do find issue with your post in the sense that you "can't provide scientific evidence" for the efficacy of the death penalty, or in any other fringe issue - you absolutely can. You can look at recidivism rates, for instance - how many prisoners who served 25 years end up in the prison system again? The death penalty gives you a recidivism rate of 0% - the convict is executed. On the flip side, you have to look at how many innocents die in the process, only to be found not guilty upon further investigation. What is the cost of life imprisonment versus the death penalty? There are certainly figures that can be discussed besides the moral argument, which is the whole reason why having diverse opinions among the students and the staff is important in the first place. If these issues could not be supported by figures, all social sciences could be conflated to philosophy, which is obviously not the case.
^Having a diverse opinions is important, but it's not a diversity thing if someone is only contributing bad information into the pool. Folks have got to be open to correcting their bad information, or else they just hide behind "but my opinion!". "Informed diversity" is far more important than "all voices are equal, regardless of the how factual they are".
I’ll agree with you on that one.Social sciences are definitely an area where the left and the right should be debating the pros and cons of policy at all times, which is how things used to work. I do find issue with your post in the sense that you "can't provide scientific evidence" for the efficacy of the death penalty, or in any other fringe issue - you absolutely can. You can look at recidivism rates, for instance - how many prisoners who served 25 years end up in the prison system again? The death penalty gives you a recidivism rate of 0% - the convict is executed. On the flip side, you have to look at how many innocents die in the process, only to be found not guilty upon further investigation. What is the cost of life imprisonment versus the death penalty? There are certainly figures that can be discussed besides the moral argument, which is the whole reason why having diverse opinions among the students and the staff is important in the first place. If these issues could not be supported by figures, all social sciences could be conflated to philosophy, which is obviously not the case.
Out of interest, what makes an eye intelligent?What does this tell us about the mainstream media? An intelligent eye can deduce that they are left leaning and we can infer then that they are biased.
Your mileage may vary depending on where you're from, but that's not exactly true. The entire point of incarceration is reform - if long-term imprisonment does not lead to a person reforming then the system has failed. Recidivism is the primary tool in measuring whether or not the system is working. There are other measurements, but this isn't a thread specifically about this. In certain states, like Sweden, the total cost of imprisonment is basically considered immaterial as there is a general consensus that prisoners deserve to have all their needs satisfied and that's the only way to reform them. I don't necessarily agree with that train if thought as I don't think everyone deserves a second chance, but it seems to be working there.When it comes to the legal system, beyond just wanting to inflict harm, we measure the usefulness of the punishment in how effective it is as a deterrent to similar actions/changing of behaviour. Recidivism is one of the tools used to measure this effectiveness, it's not the measurement itself. Obviously you can't use recidivism as proof of usefulness if you aren't using it to measure for usefulness. We want to measure usefulness and cost, as well as morally investigate new methods that may prove more useful and less costly.
Yes real journalism would try actively not to be biased but there are no real journalists remaining. If they are, they are so rare as to be non existent. At least I have not uncovered any.Out of interest, what makes an eye intelligent?
Ok, media has a liberal bias. Correct. Liberal is the stark opposite of conservative. Somewhat right.
Which means that media has a leftwing bias. Somewhat wrong.
Which means that conservative views are underrepresented in mainstream media. Wrong.
(I'm not touching social media.)
Ok - there is a liberal right. It even is important. Please read up on it.
There is conservative media. Outside Fox news, because - if you want to go down to the argument level, you have to read newspapers anyhow (sorry), or listen to non pundit ("person centered") radio programming.
"Real" journalism tries to take the person of the journalist out of the reporting. Is it still biased? Good journalism tries actively not to be, but sure. Thats why you resort to either read journalism of both sides to get a somewhat varied picture - or you resort to certain thinktanks and ngo's for context. But the same idea of "look at both sides" applies.
What does journalism do to try get a balanced story? Well, in the olden days - balance out your reporting, by getting a voice from both sides of an issue - and if you are reporting on something just breaking, get at least two independent sources for a story. Also - dont mix commentary and reporting.
What happend in the field though, is that they lost adverising, because ad buyers found that facebook could offer them much more disected and grouped braindead consumers, and they went there. Together with a shift, of people finding, that they liked to read idiotic clickbait that made them have feels, much more readily than anything else, together with the industry being driven by "whoever is first on a story - gets all the clicks" together with social media marketing is soooo much more efficient to get stories to propagate...
This = Crisis of journalism.
So if you kindly would stop bashing anything that isnt your brand of radio shock jock that tells you your "believe imprint for the day" - and in which you believe because he's so personable, and plays just the country tunes you like (I'm overdrawing the image here). And accept one simple truth.
That the world hasnt got the "one" trusted news anker that tells you how the world works anymore - is entirely your fault. He wont be back. (Because from some more fringe perspectives, he may have never existed. And lets face it, you are not stopping to use facebook, or instagram for 'news' consumption) And its now on you as a news consumer - to finally get media literate.
Of course in this thread alone at least three people like to shout "conspiracy" and "the russians are coming" and this is something that you have to deal with.
Have fun. And none of this is the medias fault. Facebook, consumers - certainly. Do you give them the money to do at least two days of factchecking on every "twitter story" the blog you are reading instead breaks? No - then live with the consequences.
The media landscape hasnt been so blatently pandering to ideologies in ages, and its entirely the consumers fault - because its that shit, that you all click on and share.
Facebook gave us the metrics now everyone is producing that.
Hack, Americas most popular talkshow host cant talk to people, and made his career out of doing idiotic trump impressions for the better part of two years instead. You all clap. Your problem.
Oh yes, and please educate yourself on the fact, that there is a liberal right. The tea party, you all like so much, isnt it though.
If I may offer a rebuttal on choosing the source that most aligned with your bias. Back in the day, as I recall from watching the only 3 news sources we had. It's not really like you had an alternative to suit your bias because the big 3, ABC, NBC and CBS all reported the news exactly the same. (CNN wasn't around yet.)In the same dull boring manner. All 3 pretty much had identical top stories and you could actually get confused as to which network you were watching if you just happened to walk in the room with the report already halfway over.journalists have never been neutral.
just saying.
the difference between todays journalist and past journalists is, that they weren't all under pressure to sell papers every single day at every single time. also there used to be more people filling one paper, now fewer people have to fill that same space. and there used to be pieces that were in the works for weeks too. now no matter how huge the incident may be, you need to have something out within minutes. so you throw 3 sentences on a website and keep expanding from there.
but that doesn't change that they were always biased one way or another. because no one is not biased. no one can be neutral. no text has ever been written neutrally. it's literally impossible.
things might feel more biased today, but I kinda feel like that's more of a readers problem. todays papers are filled with opinion-pieces, very clearly so, but a lot of the readers don't get what that means. they take opinion pieces as facts, as reporting. when those are obviously the most biased parts of any paper.
the only difference between news consumption today and back then also is the amount.
you have unlimited news now. and instead of just watching the news on the channel that agreed with your bias from the getgo once a day, you now can do that 24/7.
instead of having your bias reinforced once a day with time inbetween, you can get that reinforcement all day and most do. and not just on a superficial level, in general terms.
someone agreeing with your quasi-individual, specific worldview is only one google search away.
the repetition is what does it.
that's why fox news doesn't just have one analyst criticizing like the green new deal plan, they have 30 randos doing it all day long, all week long.
and they keep repeating the same buzzwords while they do it. it doesn't matter that they're literally making up stuff, because they know you won't be looking through the actual text. they tell you it demands ending cow farts and outlawing cars and you buy it.
and you also believe that it's entirely fair that they keep on slinging literal objective lies as absolute facts, because you feel that the other side is lying even more all the time.
which, and call me a libtard if you want, isn't the reality.
and you wouldn't know it, because from what i gather, all you know about the liberal, left-leaning media, is whatever you read (let's not kid ourselves, whatever you heard) about it in the right-leaning media.
also, you don't want neutrality anyways. and you don't want to support whomever shows both sides of an argument.
you know which side of the media keeps shooting their own feet by actively employing writers that lean the other way in an attempt to combat the other sides endless and unfounded whining about them not being neutral enough? it's not the right.
Yeah...and? You can't have any sort of political leanings in the process of getting training/education for a job? What I said is not incorrect, younger people have always been more left-leaning than the older populace.what planet are you on? Most kids are just going because thats what they think they need to do for a job.
It looks like that’s changing. 59% of elderly disapprove of Trump. While Trump is winning over the College Educated, Millennials, Minorities (Blacks 27%, Hispanics 45%), and the Western Region.Yeah...and? You can't have any sort of political leanings in the process of getting training/education for a job? What I said is not incorrect, younger people have always been more left-leaning than the older populace.
The 2018 midterm election showed that Trump is losing support near-universally, among all age groups. It's the tariffs that are really killing his support in the Midwest more than anything. Young people flocked to Bernie Sanders in 2016, and much the same seems to be happening now.It looks like that’s changing. 59% of elderly disapprove of Trump. While Trump is winning over College Educated, Millennials, Minorities (Blacks 27%, Hispanics 45%), and the Western Region.
But they are, I dont know what might have happened in the US there, but the owners of much of the newspapers in my part of the world are conservatives, the owners of many if not most weekly political newspapers are as well. So to infer, that there is no conservative media out there ("we dont get to read breitbart on outside of breitbart?"), to me is just insane.By the way, if you research you will find that the owners of mainstream media are not conservative.