Liberal indoctrination in universities?

[notimp]

Ok, I'll do the counterpart here.

Nations are a form of policy enactment (the thing is in europe they vary - very much in size, so 'whats a nation'), where people are comfortable with, that they are still doing what is in their interest - because they are still close enough - so that a well placed month long strike will be able to topple governments.

Larger forms of political unions have a mutlitude of unsolved problems, that people arent very much into solving in general.

Direct democratic legitimization. None.
Media counterbalance. None (nobody watches european broadcasts - if they are not silly shows).
Transparency. Close to none (where it counts - even the americans tend to be better here).
Right on initiative on legislation. Not with parliaments.
Regional concentration of power. ("We'll then ship our best minds there.")
Higher actual detachment from the populous.
Higher risk of corruption ('environmental factors').

Basically - "fuck the United States of Europe" is a very popular stance to take, and actually a valid one - if you arent just retelling myths of friendship and connectedness. (Or are talking about limited political issues that can only be solved large scale.)

Read this: http://www.voxeu.org/sites/default/files/file/DP9040.pdf
Its a little bit older, but its points are still valid.

Especially looking at the US, their political system is pretty much a circus, where you decide between red and blue. I wouldnt want for the european system to become that. And it stands to be argued, that - if you build larger political bodies - the topics that people can be confronted with ("trusted with") might get more shallow.

 

[chaoskagami]

@chaoskagami Well your set in your ways just like the others from your Collective I prefer to keep my own Individuality and Freedom to speak for myself.

Except you have zero reading comprehension and failed to realize that I actually "agreed" about censorship being bad.

You're also assuming wrongly that I'm part of some "Collective" whatever that means. I'm registered unaffiliated. I will never register with any political affiliation, period, because that limits who I can vote for, and I vote for the best candidate regardless of party. The two party system is fucked.

Do you understand what fascism (or authoritarianism, which is a more concrete term) is?

Individuality and freedom hold no place in those ideologies. At all.

The answer to that is an obvious "no." He doesn't.

Ok, I'll do the counterpart here.

Nations are a form of policy enacting (the thing is in europe they vary - very much in size), where people are comfortable with, that they are still doing what is in their interest - because they are still close enough - so that a well placed month long strike will be able to topple governments.

Larger forms of political unions have a mutlitude of unsolved problems, that people arent very much into solving in general. Democratic legitimization. None. Media counterbalance. None. Transparency. None. Right on initiative on legislation. Not with parliaments. Regional concentration of power. Higher lack of trasparancy. Higher actual detatchment from the populus. Higher risk of corruption ('environmental factors').

Basically - fuck the united states of europe is a very popular stance to take, and actually a valid one - if you arent just retelling myths of friendship and connectedness. (Or are talking about limited political issues that can only be solved large scale.)

Read this: http://www.voxeu.org/sites/default/files/file/DP9040.pdf
Its a little bit older, but its points are still valid.

Especially looking at the US, their political system is a circus, where you decide between red and blue. I wouldnt want for the european system to become that. And it stands to be argued, that - if you build more integration - the topics that people can be confrontend with ("trusted with") might get more shallow.

I'm of the opinion that there is no fully functional ideal governmental system, simply because humans are a largely unmanageable and destructive species. The ones who should have the most say (industry specialists, scientists, medical professionals) are the worst at policy-making, but the policy-makers (politicians) are so detached from the current state of things that they have no place making any policies. And aside from this, public opinion is an extremely important metric in how things need to be done. Times change, and people not in charge are the best indicator of this.

The fastest way to fix the USA would be to set term limits on everything. Probably. Okay, I'm not really confident on that one, actually.

 

[notimp]

Also if you replace it in theory, nationalism on the ground level is always set to be replaced by "regionalism" which just sucks.

As in - if you really do that, you'll have people enacting on their regional priorities in no time, bumping heads with their neighbors in weeks. Being more proud of their trade volume than anything else.. In short, there isnt even a sense of altruistic collective purpose within that myth.

Thats something only a liberal winky dink straight out of college can come up with - that only thinks of them jetting around the world and living in Brussels for the rest of the year - when he just not quite utters, that - the rest of the lowlives, should maybe stick to "deciding on local issues".

So think again. Or start to argue.

I think that you are pretty much someone that repeats political opinions they've heard from someone, without having though them through.

You are quick to resort to political correctness to block out everything that you dont want to hear, and use emotionally loaded impact language, to damn your opponents, and then win on character denouncing alone. Thats both naive, and ruthless.

Now start paying attention to my points. I promise a fair debate.

Internet strikes we cant do. Those are illegal already (DDOS).

 

[chaoskagami]

Also if you replace it in theory, nationalism is always set to be replaced by "regionalism" which just suck.

As in - if you really do that, you'll have people enacting on their regional priorities in no time, bumping heads with their neighbors in weeks. Being more proud of their trade volume than anything else.. In short, there isnt even a sense of collective purpose within that myth.

Thats something only a liberaly winky dink streight out of college can come up with - that only thinks of them jetting around the world and living in Brussels for the rest of the year - when he just not quite states, that - the rest of the lowlives, should maybe stick to "deciding on local issues".

So think again. Or start to argue.

True globalism is what is needed. People need to stop thinking they're any better than their neighbors and try to understand how they work and how the people think rather than fear or look down on them - but that's more a problem with human nature than politics, I think.

 

[supersonicwaffle]

Nationalism is a useless relic of the past. The internet has interconnected the entire world, so pointlessly limiting your view of the world to one bubble is harmful to the human race's development. That is, if you're talking about burning flags metaphorically. If not, since burning a flag harms nobody (aside from if you do it in a public place where it would be a health hazard) frankly I fail to see the problem with such an act. It's a piece of fabric, and unless you're activelyy imbuing some meaning in burning a piece of fabric, who cares?

Let me preface this by saying I’m not defending anyone here.

Nationality is for most people also part of their identity. To value one‘s national culture has nothing to do with limiting their view to a bubble, that’s just asinine. There’s flags that that convey identity without the baggage of geography, I wonder how the burning of those would be perceived.

With regards to anti-fascism you’re really misleading. Most people, me included, don’t have a problem with opposing fascism were even applauding opposition with democratic means but you’re deliberately ignoring or misrepresenting that „Anti-Fascistic Action“ as an, admittedly very loose, organization stands for much more than opposing fascism like vigilante violence, violence against law enforcement, destruction of property and so on.

People living in a democratic republic are rightfully disgusted by normalization of extremism such as yours.

 

[CORE]

Individual Sovereign Nations working together not a Hive Mind!

You Claim to be Anti Fascist yet you want to be ruled by a Global Government.

A little to no Government is better when shit goes wrong you know who to blame.

Global Government Model NWO unelected Fat Cats much like the SJWs working in the Shadows.

Global Dictatorship We Know Best.

F***OFF! That is a declaration of War!

Same goes for censoring people it will go so far before direct action will be taken.

That is the plan total destabilisation so the Elites can buy everything up like before over and over again.
We are being played!

 

[SG854]

I'm right there with you. Democrats are rarely as liberal as they say they are and are just as easily corrupt. Heck, Obama was a centrist as far as the rest of the world is concerned.

It drives me crazy when they are anti-nuclear. Old nuclear, sure, whatever, but not the new stuff! it's totally the best option.

This is true and also not. The fact is, most modern reactors are perfectly safe outside of the plant and emit only water vapor from cooling systems into the atmosphere.

The problem here is threefold. First, there are still a lot of old reactors that are operational which really should be shut down and rebuilt safer.

Second, regardless of external safety, working inside a reactor plant is always going to be a hazardous job with severe medical risks.

Third, more often than not they don't use material until it is completely inert but dispose of the material (e.g. dump in waste sites) past a threshold where efficiency of energy production drops (I believe it was 95% or so.) This is not environmentally friendly whatsoever and needs to stop.

And yes, I also agree there are crazies on both sides. The right-wing is just significantly more vocal and far more detached from reality. But as far as politicians go, they're playing a game of chess. The democrats appeal only because they tell us what we want to hear; I suspect most are just as corrupt as the GOP members and also view us as nothing more than cattle to profit off of.

Perhaps that's also why they won't impeach Trump. That would end the "game" so to speak.

It depends on level of degree. There is dangers to working with Nuclear energy, just like there is dangers to everything. Working in oil rigs especially on offshore rigs is one of the most dangerous professions. But compared to our other options, Nuclear is the best one we have for reducing carbon emissions. Battery tech isn’t enough, wind and solar isn’t enough and will contribute hugely to carbon emissions just to create them. Nuclear in comparison is the better option.


Politically the left wing politicians as far as I’m concerned are right wing. They say things people want to hear, say they’ll tax the rich but allow loop holes to exist. I would say in my opinion the left is more unhinged then the right. And I hear more news of them more often the people on the right. The differences is the right doesn’t do things as often but when they do it’s a big event like them ramming a car to bunch of people. The left it’s a bunch of little things done more often that add up. Grievance studies which the scientific field doesn’t take seriously, to our media content, to attacking people and them constantly trying to get people banned.


Politically and Socially the racist white supremacists have no social or political support. We are not going to create racist segregation policies any time soon. But the left wing does have political support when it comes to social issues, which makes them more threatening and able to push for their unscientific things.

 

[notimp]

True globalism is what is needed. People need to stop thinking they're any better than their neighbors and try to understand how they work and how the people think rather than fear or look down on them - but that's more a problem with human nature than politics, I think.

Thank you for your response. Its just everytime that i read something like that, I think religion..

In regards to get people off of idealizing nationalism, its usefull to show them how it was invented. But then - if the alternative doesnt sound necessarily better..

I mean I listen to those people, all arguments they generally bring is that they like easy traveling, using their smartphones in other countries, checking in without hazzle, paying in Euros, and making that their lifestyle. And the only thing I then ever think of is - heck in your job you could do that anyways (get google fi - and you have worldwide calling, get a business credit card, and a preapproved traveler system for traveling - problem solved), and for the rest of the population, there is nothing.

Also. All that globalism has turned out to do so far is bring nations closer together in terms of their economic status. It has alleviated world hunger. (Microcredits havent worked to raise entrepreneurship though.). It hasnt brought relative prosperity, but rather wage declines (lower and lower middle classes in europe (OECD) and increasing wealth gaps). It has all but spread around an actually US centered (in terms of asset bubble) financial crisis.

And now the only narratives that seem to fly on the left are stay abstinent more (economically - because green) and again - more stuff without alternatives, because - globalization.

In their mind, we'll go straight from "we have to tighten our belt a little to save the old economic system" (financial crisis) to "we have to tighten our belt a little to create the new economic system" (something, something, for something climate change), and the only commonality I see through all of that is having people abstain from economic development just because they can be made to do so.

So the "are you entirely out of touch" question in regard to people on that wavelength has crossed by mind, I have to say. And if the only thing that comes back - if I talk to them is something that registers as "religion like", that doesnt ease my worries.

I'm not saying, that they are necessarily wrong - I'm just saying, that their actual arguments could be better. Now. Stuff like global warming can be tackled at summits, and when it comes to "fairer" taxation on certain classes or asset groups, I'll never believe, that those will become a thing. Politics has become too tame to tackle any structural economic issues.

(And the field where they 'might do' (somthing something, about something climate change), again - doesnt argue about this politicly or economically, but more so from another doctrine that includes "saving the world". So I'm at an automatic distance again.)

 

[CORE]

Nationalism is a Culture a Country a Persons Identity that everyone is being forced to give up and abandon in the guise of being for the greater good and benefit of everyone which is a damn lie.

It is being forced upon people in the form of being hateful or racist if you disagree with something in a very devisive manner.

White man cant wear black panther outfit because they not black.
You cant eat Mexican food because your not Mexican and that is offensive.
The list goes on and this crap is political correction off the rails deliberate to destroy culture and force everyone into the Authoritarian Global New World Order Government. Including giving up your currency for our made up currency Euro this is why league of Nations, UN Nato was really established to get everything and everyone under one roof Control Obey and Conform or your hateful racist.

A tactic Hitler used during his campaign of slaughter of Jews as well as others which includes demilitarisation ie. Take away Guns so you cant fight back no means to fight back a Tyrannical Government.

That said Army Police Military dont have to follow orders f***sake they can think for themselves but that would be hateful.

Hateful and a Threat to the NWO plan so that is why we have Cival War almost Globally because it.

Globalism done right is with National Sovereignty intact Communities coming together willingly and cooperating freely not being forced under anothers control BREXIT!

Globalism as it is , is a mere political arm or one of the filthy tentacles of the Elites plan for World Domination.

So no the Left is not for the Little Guy, not for Family that a dirty word they are for the Collective Community Communism Socialist Hive Mind Government is god.

I serve only One God and he is not among any Authoritarian Government or Religion either for that matter.

The Left are practically Aethiest yet show some of the wildest Cult like behaviour I have seen with this Mob Rule mentality or crying like spoilt children when Trump got in or other nonsense that does not go they're way.

Until people think for themselves outside the box and want to willingly help others without personal gain or political control there will never be peace.

God Bless you all Brothers and Sisters but I will not Surrender myself or my family.

 

[Deleted-401606]

This is true and also not. The fact is, most modern reactors are perfectly safe outside of the plant and emit only water vapor from cooling systems into the atmosphere.

The problem here is threefold. First, there are still a lot of old reactors that are operational which really should be shut down and rebuilt safer.

Second, regardless of external safety, working inside a reactor plant is always going to be a hazardous job with severe medical risks.

Third, more often than not they don't use material until it is completely inert but dispose of the material (e.g. dump in waste sites) past a threshold where efficiency of energy production drops (I believe it was 95% or so.) This is not environmentally friendly whatsoever and needs to stop.

And yes, I also agree there are crazies on both sides. The right-wing is just significantly more vocal and far more detached from reality. But as far as politicians go, they're playing a game of chess. The democrats appeal only because they tell us what we want to hear; I suspect most are just as corrupt as the GOP members and also view us as nothing more than cattle to profit off of.

Perhaps that's also why they won't impeach Trump. That would end the "game" so to speak.

Not really sure what you are getting at.Trump was a registered democrat in 2000 and he is hardly considered a hardcore conservative yet on here people make it seem like he is an extremist.I would personally prefer someone further on the right like Mike Pence,I just find it comical that democrats hate Trump when he was a registered democrat not too long ago.He's not really the poster boy for right wing politics in the least.

 

[Ev1l0rd]

@CORE - What kind of drugs are you on.

You clearly have zero understanding of what any specific political ideology is or means and don't seem to have an accurate course of history.

Not really sure what you are getting at.Trump was a registered democrat in 2000 and he is hardly considered a hardcore conservative yet on here people make it seem like he is an extremist.I would personally prefer someone further on the right like Mike Pence,I just find it comical that democrats hate Trump when he was a registered democrat not too long ago.He's not really the poster boy for right wing politics in the least.

Trump is notorious for flip-flopping his views on whatever gets him a following and makes him look good to the public[1]. Right now, Trump is most certainly a hardcore conservative. In 10 years, I wouldn't even be suprised if he flips right back to being a democrat again.

Unfortunately, the hardcore conservatism he displays has made the base of the Republican party (which at best was quite tolerant of racists) steer even further to the right, meaning that being against white nationalism is considered a controversial view these days politically speaking.

Which is... really concerning in and of itself.

[1]: See /r/trumpcritcizestrump. The man can't say anything without contradicting what he believed 2-5 years ago.

 

[CORE]

@Ev1l0rd Now there you go again just proven my point Left Liberalism or not at all.

I already told you son No Surrender!

 

[Ev1l0rd]

@Ev1l0rd Now there you go again just proven my point Left Liberalism or not at all.

I already told you son No Surrender!

Again, I inquire to the drugs you're on.

I never said anything about liberalism in my post.

 

[CORE]

I made my point clear the Left is being used to push the Globalist NWO Agenda.

Common sense no drugs required.
I know enough about Politics and Economics and all other S***.

It is about total control and subservient of the people for the Globalist Elite.

Now enjoy the rest of this thread I have wasted enough time on this nonsense.

I bid you good day

 

[Foxi4]

It really depends on the university and the professors, but on the whole I would say that yes, universities are left-leaning, especially when it comes to humanities. It does colour their judgement and the way the professors teach - being on the left is considered enlightened and progressive, being on the right is considered close-minded and regressive. Many universities cave to the dumbest of requests of their student body, others have actually been infiltrated by people obsessed with PC culture. Would I call it indoctrination? Perhaps, only if you're too weak to resist it, I suppose. As far as I'm concerned, you should be doing whatever it takes to get the degree and the grades you need. From what I've observed, universities do try to accommodate the demands of right-wing students by inviting right-wing speakers, however it's also clear to me that being right-wing, particularly on campus, is demonised and the "threat" of allowing a different ideology to be discussed is grossly exaggerated.

 

[kevin corms]

It's actually the opposite, it's the students demanding a more liberal atmosphere and (certain) universities are complying. There are also a number of more traditionally conservative colleges/universities, of course. Usually on the affluent side.

what planet are you on? Most kids are just going because thats what they think they need to do for a job.

 

[notimp]

the Left is being used to push the Globalist NWO Agenda.

Remove the NWO reference (because thats just a normal term in foreign politics), and you might have a discussion there.

Now - the left always has dreamed of a bigger world wide unification project, that would then lead to more social justice - because - more planning capability.

Now, if only they wouldnt strife for it by making everyone follow religious doctrine (1.5°C Climate something, something - and everybody suffer on earth now, after a period of suffering, so we can build the heavens on earth for the next generations ) we might have something here. Or not. Because no one is really arguing bigger political ideas right now. Because we are in post democracy (Colin Crouch).

Everyone is just rediscovering the ultra nationalist, or extreme green parties agenda (because those are familiar tropes, that people already can identify...). Welcome back to the fourties and seventies revival.

Also - as you might have read out of this - I'm not at all pro another period of economic suffering for my generation. 15+ years (for lower and low middle classes) were enough.

Whats hard for europe is, that they didnt produce any structural investments in education or research projects in my generation at all. They just fluffed industries, that are now projecting -20% demand progressions for the forseeable future. Or that are announcing total automation by 2030, fuck do we know - what you need people for then... Maybe as virtual reality consumers, great industries to go in now.

And somehow, this makes me cynical.

 

[CORE]

Here is a perfect example of Liberals vs Conservatives.

 

[Deleted-401606]

Remove the NWO reference (because thats just a normal term in foreign politics), and you might have a discussion there.

Now - the left always has dreamed of a bigger world wide unification project, that would then lead to more social justice - because - more planning capability.

Now, if only they wouldnt strife for it by making everyone follow religious doctrine (1.5°C Climate something, something - and everybody suffer on earth now, after a period of suffering, so we can build the heavens on earth for the next generations ) we might have something here. Or not. Because no one is really arguing bigger political ideas right now. Because we are in post democracy (Colin Crouch).

Everyone is just rediscovering the ultra nationalist, or extreme green parties agenda (because those are familiar tropes, that people already can identify...). Welcome back to the fourties and seventies revival.

Also - as you might have read out of this - I'm not at all pro another period of economic suffering for my generation. 15+ years (for lower and low middle classes) were enough.

Whats hard for europe is, that they didnt produce any structural investments in education or research projects in my generation at all. They just fluffed industries, that are now projecting -20% demand progressions for the forseeable future. Or that are announcing total automation by 2030, fuck do we know - what you need people for then... Maybe as virtual reality consumers, great industries to go in now.

And somehow, this makes me cynical.

My qualm with progressives is that they teach principles that they don't follow.California universities are filled with rich Californians that live in predominantly white enclaves yet they preach diversity when they themselves don't live in diverse areas.I can't respect people that tell YOU to do something,when they themselves do the complete opposite.It screams of utter hypocrisy.Rich liberals say to bring in all the illegals,just don't bring them into their neighborhoods.It's a ridiculous ideology to have if you ask me.

 

[zomborg]

Ahhhh, I see what you did there! Nice try guys
Suddenly Xzi's post has been edited without the tag to remove where he said:*"let this dumpster fire fizzle out" and of course he makes no more appearance but suddenly out of thin air, several big names join the discussion. Lol good one