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Another School Shooting

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yep, now next murican school they shall use bomb next time, so they can move from all the attentions from gun's restrictions to scream there need more ammonia control.... --_--

Control ? LOL! Impossible. They can increase the stricter licence, increase the control and anything else. It is not going to stop people from killing anyway. Zero. None. Hatred existence and it is going to stay for a long time until one day ... hint -- Jesus is coming (if you believe) (If you don't believe then it is not going to have a peace at all.
 

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Control ? LOL! Impossible. They can increase the stricter licence, increase the control and anything else. It is not going to stop people from killing anyway. Zero. None. Hatred existence and it is going to stay for a long time until one day ... hint -- Jesus is coming (if you believe) (If you don't believe then it is not going to have a peace at all.
you forget mohammeds (sorry for misspellings) return after Jesus (for those who believe it's kind of a difference).
and that for some it's elliah that will return...
i don't believe in any of these fairytales, but still, you should at least consider there's more than one religion here.
 

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Did anyone ever consider that maybe the perpetrator was being bullied and the people that got shot deserved it?
 

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2012: Venezuelans lost their right to own guns. Their socialist president declared a goal of disarming all citizens. He said crime would go down and they'd be safer.

2019: Venezuela is shooting defenseless citizens in the streets and running them over in tanks. Yeah, guns are the problem.
 
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Did anyone ever consider that maybe the perpetrator was being bullied and the people that got shot deserved it?
gotten bullied? everey single person i've met in my life got bullied at some point, that doesn't give anybody the right to kill... but when i read you, someone sure missed someone we all could miss.
 

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gotten bullied? everey single person i've met in my life got bullied at some point, that doesn't give anybody the right to kill... but when i read you, someone sure missed someone we all could miss.

I dunno. If you bully or abuse someone to the breaking point and they snap then it's also your fault. The "right to kill"? How can you put a limit on something as natural as killing someone? It's human nature and you can't take the bite out of the tiger, per say. I don't solely blame an inanimate object or the perpetrator - that's unrealistic. I blame everyone involved.
 

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Quiet the media , quiet the violence.
nope shootouts will continue, schools specially since it's the perfect combo.
1. being restless, for either using drugs to get higher or lower grades (depending on the drug you like).
2. people trying to get you to do things you don't feel like doing.
3. people bullying for they don't wanna have to understand your point of view.
4. getting dumped by the one you love.
5. easy to get guns.
whoohoo you gotta love the USA.

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I dunno. If you bully or abuse someone to the breaking point and they snap then it's also your fault. The "right to kill"? How can you put a limit on something as natural as killing someone? It's human nature and you can't take the bite out of the tiger, per say. I don't solely blame an inanimate object or the perpetrator - that's unrealistic. I blame everyone involved.
then get shooting yourself, cause your part of the problem here.
 
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It is going to be here forever. It isn't getting better at all.
Dont say that. :) Part of it has to do with US hegemonial culture, in my (poetic.. ;) ) mind.

So as the US removes itself militarily from the world stage (this is not me suggesting, that it should, its what the US curretly does, slowly at the current time), the society may change a little (significance of weapons), and the number might decline. :)

This is lateral thinking on my part (not entirely sound logic :) ). Could happen though. :)

Culturally - parts of the US are basically "Sparta" for the world stage.
Its pax americana, that leads to this kind of symbolism (weapons still are culturally important to you) - I think.

h**ps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufCxLjBi97M&feature=youtu.be&t=195
edit: Watch the video a little until you hear the pastors speech and the cadets commentary. Dub track is german, sadly - but you can still make out the english original lines. This is a culture thats still very much part of the american ethos.
 
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nope shootouts will continue, schools specially since it's the perfect combo.
1. being restless, for either using drugs to get higher or lower grades (depending on the drug you like).
2. people trying to get you to do things you don't feel like doing.
3. people bullying for they don't wanna have to understand your point of view.
4. getting dumped by the one you love.
5. easy to get guns.
whoohoo you gotta love the USA.

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then get shooting yourself, cause your part of the problem here.

You just told someone to kill themselves, you've just lost the moral highground. You're part of the problem.
 
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Instead of taking rights away for firearms or banning guns, the technology needs to improve, where DNA pairing is required for such weapons, and that it cannot be deleted or reset at least conveniently. If the person holding the gun who DNA is mismatched to the the weapon, it will not fire. That I can see it in the future perhaps, and still kinda preserve the right to boot.
Like the ID-tagged weapons from Metal Gear Solid? It would be impossible to retrofit all what? 500 million guns (a rough estimate) that already exist here.
 
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"Criminals would still get guns through obscure means, so we should just make sure the process stays easy for them instead."

We might as well open more gun shops near all school campuses if we're just gonna throw up our hands in resignation even before trying common-sense solutions.

let me show you a quote from a game just replace "straws" with "guns" "I cant outlaw straws then only outlaws will have straws" instead we need to improve the schools if they are so bad kids go on murder sprees we need to fix them almost got expelled just because someone else call me a school shooter great system america
 
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So, divorced, gays, and immigrants families are the cause ?

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You know each other country in the list has as much of those ? Yet quite not the same amount of mass shootings.
Majority of School shooters comes from Fatherless Broken homes. Having a father absent is the greatest predictor of crime.

Kids learn a lot of self control and empathy from their father. Fathers are more likely to be stricter at discipline with their kids and punish them if they step out of line.

Empathizing too much with someone doesn’t create empathetic kids, it creates narcissistic kids with the focus mostly on them. Disciplining them makes them think about their actions towards other people. And tells them hurting others is bad.


Overall who’s more likely to be stricter and the kid to be more afraid of when they do bad, the Father or Mother?
 
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https://edition.cnn.com/2018/05/21/us/school-shooting-us-versus-world-trnd/index.html

This is over a period of 10 years.

I'd say change your education systems, youth culture and ban automatic rifles. But thats just me.

The back of the truck guy, will have less available for 16 year old kids, if they are banned, because of supply and demand. But then you cant have your dudes riling up 300 mexicans at gunpoint at the border without any authority anymore - so, its up to you.

On the other hand, lets say those are 10 victims per school shooting on average, thats 300 victims a year. You could also say its negligent. Which is apparently what happened.

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9/11 btw was 3000 victims, and another one hasnt happened in 10 years, so...
Every year 100 americans are killed by bee stings - so thats your baseline. ;)

Fun with statistics.. ;)

Okay...Britain doesn't get any school shootings because they literally banned guns. Its the dumbest thing any country can do. Why? Because then the general public can't protect themselves from criminals so they'll die. More deaths will happen in America if we ban guns then if we don't. We should instead completely lock down our country. We need retina scans, we need everybody who buys a gun to be chipped...it will all work out in the end.
 
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Majority of School shooters comes from Fatherless Broken homes. Having a father absent is the greatest predictor of crime.

Kids learn a lot of self control and empathy from their father. Fathers are more likely to be stricter at discipline with their kids and punish them if they step out of line.

Empathizing too much with someone doesn’t create empathetic kids, it creates narcissistic kids with the focus mostly on them. Disciplining them makes them think about their actions towards other people. And tells them hurting others is bad.


Overall who’s more likely to be stricter and the kid to be more afraid of when they do bad, the Father or Mother?
Yes you are correct. Example from my own family. My wife and I were separated for several years. She is a very loving and very dedicated mother and wife. During the time we were apart she devoted the entire time to providing for and making sure our son lacked nothing. However, she was very lenient with him.
After we remarried and had been back together for some time, my son came to me privately and said that every child needs a parent who is more lenient and one who is more strict.
He needed to have that balance, he said he needed my stern guiding hand. I was so proud and thankful to hear him say that.
Okay...Britain doesn't get any school shootings because they literally banned guns. Its the dumbest thing any country can do. Why? Because then the general public can't protect themselves from criminals so they'll die. More deaths will happen in America if we ban guns then if we don't. We should instead completely lock down our country. We need retina scans, we need everybody who buys a gun to be chipped...it will all work out in the end.
Yes, and I would go a step further by stating the framers intent. They wanted us to have arms necessary to defend ourselves, our liberties and our freedoms against our government in the event it becomes tyrannical. They meant for us to have the means to overthrow tyranny if and when it presents itself.
 
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Yes you are correct. Example from my own family. My wife and I were separated for several years. She is a very loving and very dedicated mother and wife. During the time we were apart she devoted the entire time to providing for and making sure our son lacked nothing. However, she was very lenient with him.
After we remarried and had been back together for some time, my son came to me privately and said that every child needs a parent who is more lenient and one who is more strict.
He needed to have that balance, he said he needed my stern guiding hand. I was so proud and thankful to hear him say that.
I’m still young myself and don’t have any kids so I never had experience of raising any, but it’s common sense kids need discipline.

I was always more scared of my Dad then my Mom. And I know plenty of people that say their Dads are extremely scary when mad when they do something bad. I hear a few people who are scared of their Moms but most of the time it’s the Dad.


Both Moms and Dads are needed for balance. Dads enforce discipline to follow rules and it helps with also teaching empathy, while Moms are more lenient and empathetic which makes the kid care and think about themselves. You don’t want to be too much of a yes man always following orders from a higher up like a mindless robot. You want to question things and go against the tide when needed.
 
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But why tho? If you're gonna spew shitty opinions, at least TRY to back them up.
Really my friend, your question has already been answered in this very thread. SG854 sums it up very nicely and to the point. I could not have stated it any better. FROM the link provided BY SG854 :

"Among the 25 most-cited school shooters since Columbine, 75 percent were reared in broken homes. Psychologist Dr. Peter Langman, a pre-eminent expert on school shooters, found that most came from incredibly broken homes of not just divorce and separation, but also infidelity, substance abuse, criminal behavior, domestic violence, and child abuse."

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" After the Sandy Hook Elementary School massacre, scholar Brad Wilcox called attention to the work of criminologists Michael Gottfredson and Travis Hirschi, which found the absence of fathers to be one of the “most powerful predictors of crimes .” He explained that fathers are role models for their sons who maintain authority and discipline, thereby helping them develop self-control and empathy toward others, key character traits lacking in violent youth."

Also


" The late rapper Tupac Shakur said, “I know for a fact that had I had a father, I’d have some discipline. I’d have more confidence. Your mother can’t calm you down the way a man can. You need a man to teach you how to be a man.” Shakur, who was murdered in 1996, started hanging out with gangs because he wanted to belong to a family."

There is much more in SGs article.
 

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I don't mean to sound harsh, but a lot of these shooters probably believe the same things. It's easy to justify atrocious acts in retaliation when you believe yourself the victim of some vast conspiracy.

Columbine happened YEARS before the current political climate became as heated as it is today, as well as the others before the New Tens. If anything, that one Country Music Fest shooting in California's (if I remember all of the deets) perp, even after examining all of the footage of the guy, they couldn't put a finger on the man's motive. He wasn't poor, he acted friendly to those around him, he didn't go screaming things that make you roll your eyes and go..."OW THE EDGE!"

I don't think the people who perpetrate these actions are thinking rationally. Not that you need a pHD in Psychology to figure that one out.
 
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Empathizing too much with someone doesn’t create empathetic kids, it creates narcissistic kids with the focus mostly on them. Disciplining them makes them think about their actions towards other people. And tells them hurting others is bad.

Overall who’s more likely to be stricter and the kid to be more afraid of when they do bad, the Father or Mother?
Yes, but also partly wrong imho - because mass shooters may be narcissistic, but first and foremost they are social outcast loners, who were refused to matter at all in their social cicles. This then turns into grief and anger. If you discipline them on top of that, guess what...

So instead of bringing the narcissism down, how about preventing the other side?

Also disciplining children is something that may be needed for them to think about action/reaction of their behavior, but disciplining - never produces empathy for the victim.

(Show me that study.)

Look at the result of what boarding schools produced as human material. conscienceless, self centered alphas, that have learned only one thing in life, and that is - that to go forward, they have to beat everything and every one in their way - in a very real sense.

Reason. Punishment first and foremost produces anger. Anger then gets channeled by those institutions into action in a competitive environment, winner gets rewarded, then very quickly the only thing you are reproducing are sadists, and broken people.

To produce empathy, you actually need social learning experiences. So mixed schools, engagement, people recognizing, that different characters can bring in a different valueset. Thats how you produce leaders. :) The running joke is, that boarding schools usually are where the dentists son meets the lawyers daughter - but thats about all. ;) If you want to do your child a favor, dont just discipline them, teach them how to be a liberal thinker and interact with different sets of people. Even if he/she later might end up at Yale, that will benefit them more, than what discipline might have given them.

Usually a parent thats quite into the discipline game, isnt bright enough to really gage different social interactions. Their mindset usually centers around "in public smile more, and be more polite.. " ;)

That said, dont let your child end up as a narcissistic brat either. Please.. ;)

And yes, some mass shooters might be narcissistic, some might not, what they all have in common though... is not first and foremost a lacking sense of values... Thats not what makes you develop the rage. :)
 
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