Yes, it's horrific. But none of that is what genocide means.
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How do you feel about abortion?
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Yes, it's horrific. But none of that is what genocide means.
http://time.com/war-and-rape/
This is what the US just prevented at the UN.
There are also personal accounts of Yazidi women (the one next to Amal Clooney f.e.) on youtube. Several newschannels rebroadcast the footage in my country.
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Eradication of a populace, a folk, a tribe. Its not just killing. A populace is a shared sense of being (a culture). You can fuck that up with rape - and its routinely done in war to break local resistance.
Humans did this for hundreds of years, btw - two tribes went at each other, winner killed all the men and got the women of the other tribe - which then seized to exist. Thats genocide.
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I have a conservative friend that's extremely anti-abortion (I don't call them pro-life since they support the death penalty and call UHC "communism").
She got an abortion in February (14 weeks into the pregnancy) because the birth of the child most likely would have killed her. I asked her if other women should be allowed to get an abortion if it threatened their life, the same way this pregnancy threatened hers.
I was told that her situation was unique compared to everyone else's and she didn't want to have an abortion.
As if abortions are something that people enjoy having. Supporting rights to have an abortion, and liking abortions are two totally different things.
She got an abortion in February (14 weeks into the pregnancy) because the birth of the child most likely would have killed her. I asked her if other women should be allowed to get an abortion if it threatened their life, the same way this pregnancy threatened hers.
I was told that her situation was unique compared to everyone else's and she didn't want to have an abortion.
As if abortions are something that people enjoy having. Supporting rights to have an abortion, and liking abortions are two totally different things.
The United Nations Genocide Convention, which was established in 1948, defines genocide as "acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial or religious group".[2][3]
Words.
(Its not just killing.)
The United Nations Genocide Convention, which was established in 1948, defines genocide as "acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial or religious group".[2][3]
Words.
you're only seeing surface level things. Its hard to say if abortion is right or wrong. But governments are keeping the fetus' for maniacal experimental purposes which is wrong.
They do what?
They dont. I promise. Neither do the privately run clinics, or doctors offices you usually have an abortion at.
Next question.
edit: If you want reasoning against your "over the edge" presumption - every medical study in western countries has to go through something called an "ethics board". Those are people that are incentivized to find everything wrong with your concept proposal and make you run in circles until you get it right. Every study goes trough those, and they are especially there to prevent unethical overreach. Which starts far lower than the idea you brought forward. If you dont have their approval, you cant publish your study in any known journal, which means its useless to you as a researcher.
They dont. I promise. Neither do the privately run clinics, or doctors offices you usually have an abortion at.
Next question.
edit: If you want reasoning against your "over the edge" presumption - every medical study in western countries has to go through something called an "ethics board". Those are people that are incentivized to find everything wrong with your concept proposal and make you run in circles until you get it right. Every study goes trough those, and they are especially there to prevent unethical overreach. Which starts far lower than the idea you brought forward. If you dont have their approval, you cant publish your study in any known journal, which means its useless to you as a researcher.
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Why do people never talk about how the baby has no say as to whether it actually WANTS to exist in the first place? That's of course because it is unable to form a preference. The baby has no personality and thus killing it is not murder. What about accidents then? Of course, protection should always be used, but what about when these happen? Should the parents' lives be ruined over a huge burden? And to be honest, 7.5 billion people and counting is kind of a large number, is it not, eh man? I'd say we should be responsible with our actions, but also learn to be smart whenever something wrong happens. End of.
There is a phrase those interacting with the anti abortion advocates (be they providers, escorts or otherwise interested parties) see in action if nothing and it is that among the anti abortion types then "the only moral abortion is my abortion" is a frequent occurrence. I will have to try to find the website that listed them (think notalwaysright but with a focus on this sort of thing, or maybe a subsection thereof).
I think my favourite was rich ladies with little else to do picket clinic, as is their right I guess (most providers and thus story writers seemed to consider it part and parcel of it all and as long as things did not get rowdy then all good). One of their teenage sons knocks up the housekeeper (that kind of rich). She then more or less gets pressured into having one by the rich picketer, and they attempt to leaflet the waiting room while they do.
That said your one offers an intriguing insight into things. Not unexpected (you meet such things among the ill informed but still protesting commonly enough) but not one I had really met here before.
1/2 OT: The elder council of the Yazidi has just decided, that displaced (/obducted) yazidi women, can only return home, if they dont bring along a child, that was fathered by a member of ISIS. This specifically also includes all victims of rape.
src: https://derstandard.at/2000102251607/Ein-hartes-Urteil-fuer-vergewaltigte-Jesidinnen (source in german, but if you are interested searching for Nadia Murad (the women in the video at the UN) should lead you to english comments on the matter)
So bare with me - now, those women cant count on medical assistance according to international law (paid for abortions), and they cant return home with a child, if they choose to keep it. (Which is not out of the question - its a personal decision.) Because they wouldnt be accepted by their own tribe.
Yeah. There is nothing more to say about that. Thats moral law for you. (Law isn't supposed to be moral.) Yazidi, btw. are only supposed to marry within their tribe, because of - wait for it - religion.
Now answer me this:
Should their religion (their "church") pay for the forced abortions.
src: https://derstandard.at/2000102251607/Ein-hartes-Urteil-fuer-vergewaltigte-Jesidinnen (source in german, but if you are interested searching for Nadia Murad (the women in the video at the UN) should lead you to english comments on the matter)
So bare with me - now, those women cant count on medical assistance according to international law (paid for abortions), and they cant return home with a child, if they choose to keep it. (Which is not out of the question - its a personal decision.) Because they wouldnt be accepted by their own tribe.
Yeah. There is nothing more to say about that. Thats moral law for you. (Law isn't supposed to be moral.) Yazidi, btw. are only supposed to marry within their tribe, because of - wait for it - religion.
Now answer me this:
Should their religion (their "church") pay for the forced abortions.
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