Homebrew Question Is GC/Wii emulation on the Switch a stupid idea? Because it sure looks that way...

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Yo my dude this is kind of off topic but sence I got a new job I wanted to save up to build this fat PC rig with an 8 core CPU.

I wanna be prepared for CPU extensive stuff, like rendering 3D shit in HD, so I definitely dont wanna be skimp out on shit just to save me some cheddar.

Would you reccomend the Ryzen 2700X with a crosshair VII motherboard, or a i7 9700k with a Maximus hero?

If I go AMD then I’ll save roughly 90 bones. But fuck that if I can pull a significantly better preformance going mainstream then those 90 dollars can go eat shit.

Here are the motherboard links;

https://www.amazon.com/ROG-Maximus-Hero-Wi-Fi-Motherboard/dp/B07HCXT591/

https://www.amazon.com/ROG-Crosshair-VII-Hero-Motherboard/dp/B07CCHP1LD/

I know this post kind of derails the thread but whatever fuck that my computer comes first


Except for some Emulators the CPU doesn't matter that much for rendering "3D Shit in HD". Put your Focus on a good graphics card ;)
 
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Except for some Emulators the CPU doesn't matter that much for rendering "3D Shit in HD". Put your Focus on a good graphics card ;)

Okay that was a bad example.

I know the GPU is most important for that factor but I plan to get an RTX 2070 which is more than enough to take on that shit with ease.
On the other hand, a card like that is no match for fucking modded Minecraft unless you got a good CPU. Catch my drift?

Basically, what CPU motherboard combo is best value?

Also don’t just suck AMDs dick if the preformance is significantly worse. But if AMD actually is the way to go then tell me please.

Also don’t fucking tell me to buy an FPGA and piss on it until it becomes a fucking RTX 2080ti, I’m sick of all these computer [removed word]s trying to shove their knowledge in my face just to prove that they’re smarter than me. I just wanna know what fucking cpu to buy.
 
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The basic factors that go into a CPU's performance are the clock speed (cycles per second), the IPC (instructions per cycle), and the core count. If a CPU were an engine, the clock speed would be like the maximum RPM, core count would be like the cylinder count, and the IPC would be like the displacement(per cylinder). All of that influences the overall power output. Where the analogy breaks down is that unlike an engine, not all applications can use multiple cores effectively. Emulators in particular tend to not effectively use more than one or two cores. So in those cases, maximizing clockspeed and IPC is the way to go.

Ryzen is generally has a lower IPC than Intel's CPUs. But generally for the same money, you can get a lot more cores with Ryzen than with Intel. So if you do a lot multitasking or your usage case is largely multithreaded applications, then Ryzen tends to give you more performance per dollar.

Im surprised that no one has brought up the Vulkan API. If I remember correctly dolphin on android got a huge boost in performance once it was able to take advantage of this. My understanding is that Vulkan in a sense more evenly distributes the load across multiple cores. I know that Switch has Vulkan but devs don't have access to it outside of the SDK (anyone more in the know please correct me if I'm wrong about that). Would this not make Dolphin emulation much more tenable were homebrew devs to gain access to it?
 
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Yo my dude this is kind of off topic but sence I got a new job I wanted to save up to build this fat PC rig with an 8 core CPU.

I wanna be prepared for CPU extensive stuff, like rendering 3D shit in HD, so I definitely dont wanna be skimp out on shit just to save me some cheddar.

Would you reccomend the Ryzen 2700X with a crosshair VII motherboard, or a i7 9700k with a Maximus hero?

If I go AMD then I’ll save roughly 90 bones. But fuck that if I can pull a significantly better preformance going mainstream then those 90 dollars can go eat shit.

Here are the motherboard links;

https://www.amazon.com/ROG-Maximus-Hero-Wi-Fi-Motherboard/dp/B07HCXT591/

https://www.amazon.com/ROG-Crosshair-VII-Hero-Motherboard/dp/B07CCHP1LD/

I know this post kind of derails the thread but whatever fuck that my computer comes first
If I was going Intel, I’d spend the extra money on going for a 9900k. The lack of hyper threading on the 9700k would be a deal breaker for me.
 

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Im surprised that no one has brought up the Vulkan API. If I remember correctly dolphin on android got a huge boost in performance once it was able to take advantage of this. My understanding is that Vulkan in a sense more evenly distributes the load across multiple cores. I know that Switch has Vulkan but devs don't have access to it outside of the SDK (anyone more in the know please correct me if I'm wrong about that). Would this not make Dolphin emulation much more tenable were homebrew devs to gain access to it?
Vulkan or no vulkan, Dolphin is not up to the task. Someone needs to reverse engineer the emulator that is on the shield tv.
 

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Vulkan or no vulkan, Dolphin is not up to the task. Someone needs to reverse engineer the emulator that is on the shield tv.
Which as per a previous comment on the thread (cant confirm this cause I honestly don't know for sure) is an emulator apparently written by a Dolphin dev :P. Fine, lets assume your right, an "emulator" that is optimized using Vulkan API, I believe, would be more likely to run well than one that isn't...whether it is Dolphin, some proprietary emulator that was designed for shield or something else....I think it's important to note that people run Dolphin on shield TV and also since Shield TV is running a a version of Android (android TV) the emulator running on it, whether it is Dolphin or the proprietary software for those wii titles, is presumambly also taking advantage of Vulkan....my main point is that this particular API has been shown (youtube dolphin vulkan android) to improve performance despite hardware limitations and it is available to Swtich devs who have access to the SDK and therefore potentially to homebrew devs
 
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If I was going Intel, I’d spend the extra money on going for a 9900k. The lack of hyper threading on the 9700k would be a deal breaker for me.

Is hyper threading even that important? I’m not going to be overclocking that bad. If hyper threading really is of importance, then I’ll just get CPU with less cores.
I mean, 600 bones for a CPU is crazy. I’ve also read stuff about the i9 fucking up with most high motherboards.
Might be fake news, but idk not willing to make such a fat investment for a potentially unstable product, yknow?
 

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Is hyper threading even that important? I’m not going to be overclocking that bad. If hyper threading really is of importance, then I’ll just get CPU with less cores.
I mean, 600 bones for a CPU is crazy. I’ve also read stuff about the i9 fucking up with most high motherboards.
Might be fake news, but idk not willing to make such a fat investment for a potentially unstable product, yknow?
If using multithreaded applications, hyperthreading makes a big difference. I'd have a hard time choosing between a 6 core / 12 thread and 8 core / 8 thread CPU. I'd just spend the extra money for 8 core / 16 thread if it were me. For $100 extra it's a no brainer IMO.
 

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Not this shit again
dude
it IS weak
just stop
Just because it isn't as powerful as the PS4 or Xbox One doesn't mean it's weak. Nintendo hasn't tried to make a console more powerful than competitors ever since the Wii days. Does that mean they're weak? Of course not
 

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It costs more like $300.
If the Nvidia Sheild TV is as good as everyone here on the thread says, than it's literally the same power thats 50% cheaper.

It is portable though, so I'll give it that.
150$? where? lol

Not this shit again
dude
it IS weak
just stop
That $300 includes all the accessories and shit. The actual tablet part (which is what I was talking about) costs around $120-$150

And IT IS a powerful handheld
 
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That $300 includes all the accessories and shit. The actual tablet part (which is what I was talking about) costs around $120-$150

And IT IS a powerful handheld

I spent half an hour snooping around for somebody selling only the tablet and joy cons and the cheapest one I saw was $200 ($207 including shipping) and it was used and in "mediocre" condition.

If were talking about in-store, I've never seen a switch be sold for less than $250.
Maybe it's a regional thing but at least where I live it goes for much higher than that.
 

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I spent half an hour snooping around for somebody selling only the tablet and joy cons and the cheapest one I saw was $200 ($207 including shipping) and it was used and in "mediocre" condition.

If were talking about in-store, I've never seen a switch be sold for less than $250.
Maybe it's a regional thing but at least where I live it goes for much higher than that.
Not including joycon, also I mean how much it costs to manufacture.
 

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Not including joycon, also I mean how much it costs to manufacture.

... Wouldn’t the switch be useless without a way to use it (I.e. joycons)?
The whole argument is that the switch is weak considering it’s value.

If the PS4 retailed at $10000, people would say it is weak.
The fact that the Nintendo switch is only somewhat powerful for $150 dollars and yet you need to throw down $100 more just to play it.

By that logic, saying the switch is weak makes perfect sense to me.
 

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