Why do people get so triggered about introducing LGBT characters into movies?

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Not a good argument. It's not illigal for drug addicts to love each other, and have kids in which the drug abuse will likely lead to birth defects.

It very much is. It tends to be called fetal abuse in the US and prosecutions for things relating to it go back decades ( http://www.nytimes.com/1996/08/17/us/in-wisconsin-a-rarity-of-a-fetal-harm-case.html ).
It is not without controversy in some circles (I don't know if there is a national supreme court ruling but it was heading that way a few years back, in the UK the alcohol variety was ruled against), some of said circles including groups that deal with the resulting problems but again the notion is not a new one.
 

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I have always believed that being gay is just as much a perversion as pedophelia, beastiality, or incest. I know, I know... The argument is that gay people are not harming each other, or anybody else. and it's two consenting adults. If this is the case, then one must ask why incest is illegal and punishible up to 5 years in prison in most states?? In the case of incest between an adult brother and sister, or two cousins, are they not also two consenting adults that love each other, and are not doing harm to anybody, just as the gay couple????? So just as I would not want hollywood and disney promoting incest, pedophelia, beastiality, etc to my kids, I also don't want them promoting, and normalizing LGBT themes to my kids either. That's my opinion. Now I will sit back and experience the backlash by all of you for disagreeing with this perversion. This day and age is like sodom and gamorrah all over again. Really sad. And no, I'm not religious;).
Fairly certain this is bait but whatever.

Incest is probably illegal because of the increased risk of genetic problems and birth defects. Being interested in people of the same sex poses no such risk does it?

Even if you adopt there's still the risk of birth control failing.

If you think that TV is going to fill your kids' heads with a bunch of stuff you don't agree with then you should probably do some actual parenting so your kids don't take media so seriously and don't learn everything from it or imitate what they see.

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It very much is. It tends to be called fetal abuse in the US and prosecutions for things relating to it go back decades ( http://www.nytimes.com/1996/08/17/us/in-wisconsin-a-rarity-of-a-fetal-harm-case.html ).
It is not without controversy in some circles (I don't know if there is a national supreme court ruling but it was heading that way a few years back, in the UK the alcohol variety was ruled against), some of said circles including groups that deal with the resulting problems but again the notion is not a new one.
It's a little ridiculous that people can get away with doing things they know can harm the fetus. In bars in Canada (may differ by province) you have to have a sign saying that alcohol can cause birth defects but other than that you can legally serve pregnant women.
 
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More or less because it's used to cover up the fact that writers can't create good story and characters. Look for example on Marvel Comics - IT'S DYING because of few creators that make horribly bad, bland and ruining already estabilished characters comic books stuffed with SJW propaganda. If something like that would happen in more broad media like movies or games it would be outright painful to watch.

The fact that we get black, gay, crippled or whatever characters is fine. The fact that creators use the fake diversity to cover up their lacking skills and dissapear behind the backs of loud SJW protesters is pretty much distusting degradation of culture.
 

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People get triggered because it's insanely poorly executed when it happens.
Most of the time, it's being shoved in your face and it expects viewers to give a damn about it.
I'm one of those people. I get triggered when it's forced for the sake of "but hey, we got all this diversity yay us!"

A character should be interesting because he/she/it is interesting for what/who it is and the background he/she/it has.
A character is not interesting because it shoves in your face "i'm gay/lesbian/t******/herma/fluid/liquid/snake/helicopter" without any depth or development at all.

And with that, unless the character's sexuality or gender has anything at all to do with the story, I don't need to know what the orientation of a character is on that field if it has absolutely no impact on anything at all.
 
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They're triggered, because sometimes people are assholes. People often don't know about the history of Rome, and other places where it was perceived as normal. Anyway, I'm glad there is at least representation coming up. Although sometimes I feel like the representation looks fake. Anyway, I like the way how the OP reacts. Kudo's to the OP.
 

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if you like gays good, have nothing against good
but if you don't like gays or bi or such things because you want to be different "Oh look i am special, i think different" you can LITERALLY kill yourself because this world don't need cunts like that
 

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I actually believe persona 4 handled both issues rather well.

Kanji could... or could not be gay. They never specifically stated, and they didn't have to. It was up to the player to decide in that one.

Also Naoto had a gender crises for a completely different reasons. These were important to the characters and fed deeply into the story at the same time.


I have always believed that being gay is just as much a perversion as pedophelia, beastiality, or incest. I know, I know... The argument is that gay people are not harming each other, or anybody else. and it's two consenting adults. If this is the case, then one must ask why incest is illegal and punishible up to 5 years in prison in most states?? In the case of incest between an adult brother and sister, or two cousins, are they not also two consenting adults that love each other, and are not doing harm to anybody, just as the gay couple????? So just as I would not want hollywood and disney promoting incest, pedophelia, beastiality, etc to my kids, I also don't want them promoting, and normalizing LGBT themes to my kids either. That's my opinion. Now I will sit back and experience the backlash by all of you for disagreeing with this perversion. This day and age is like sodom and gamorrah all over again. Really sad. And no, I'm not religious;).

Seriously dude... Don't be a zubat.
 
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I actually believe persona 4 handled both issues rather well.

Kanji could... or could not be gay. They never specifically stated, and they didn't have to. It was up to the player to decide in that one.

Also Naoto had a gender crises for a completely different reasons. These were important to the characters and fed deeply into the story at the same time.




Seriously dude... Don't be a zubat.

You didn't answer his question. You make it seem like he asked something completely ridiculous when really he has an extremely valid point. Just because the Clinton News Network says something is normal,does not mean that is the case.
 
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You didn't answer his question. You make it seem like he asked something completely ridiculous when really he has an extremely valid point. Just because the Clinton News Network says something is normal,does not mean that is the case.

I didn't answer his question.. because the first part of my post had nothing to do with his question.

And I don't listen to CNN as much as various other world new sources. At least I don't listen to "State Sponsored Fox News for Nazi Snowflakes" if you really want to start throwing shade around like that.
 

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I watched my Big Fat Greek Wedding 2 for some reason. It's about a traditional Greek family who belong to a conservative Greek Orthodox church. I think they get mad in the first movie because the daughter isn't marrying a Greek guy. Oh, but in the second movie they are completely fine when they find out their gay family member is in love with another man.

I may have gotten it a little mixed up, but that's basically it. Basically, it didn't make sense in the logic of the movie, and I couldn't suspend my disbelief. There was also zero positive effect on the story.

It's like when people complain about movies being too diverse. No one cares if a movie has a diverse cast unless the cast was chosen to meet some diversity quota. Black Panther was a good movie because it had good actors--not because it had black people.
 
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if you like gays good, have nothing against good
but if you don't like gays or bi or such things because you want to be different "Oh look i am special, i think different" you can LITERALLY kill yourself because this world don't need cunts like that
Could be also the other way around.

Anyway, I have seen the latest exorcist, where the whole season is focused banishing the devil and rituals and blabla. But all of the sudden one of the main character kisses with a guy.
It triggered me so much, no for the main character being gay but it feel so forced and had nothing to do with the story.
 
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I watched my Big Fat Greek Wedding 2 for some reason. It's about a traditional Greek family who belong to a conservative Greek Orthodox church. I think they get mad in the first movie because the daughter isn't marrying a Greek guy. Oh, but in the second movie they are completely fine when they find out their gay family member is in love with another man.

I may have gotten it a little mixed up, but that's basically it. Basically, it didn't make sense in the logic of the movie, and I couldn't suspend my disbelief. There was also zero positive effect on the story.

It's like when people complain about movies being too diverse. No one cares if a movie has a diverse cast unless the cast was chosen to meet some diversity quota. Black Panther was a good movie because it had good actors--not because it had black people.

Wow lol. I never noticed this but this is a pretty big plot hole.
 

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You didn't answer his question. You make it seem like he asked something completely ridiculous when really he has an extremely valid point. Just because the Clinton News Network says something is normal,does not mean that is the case.
Clinton News Network... LOL.

The American News "Industry" (and pretty much also the World's) is fucked up beyond return, no matter "affiliation" to Clinton, Trump, or whomever. It's all just popular show, zero news, each one with their irrelevant agenda and no real intention to inform anybody. Fake news come from everywhere and are a real problem, for everybody.
 
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Clinton News Network... LOL.

The American News "Industry" (and pretty much also the World's) is fucked up beyond return, no matter "affiliation" to Clinton, Trump, or whomever. It's all just popular show, zero news, each one with their irrelevant agenda and no real intention to inform anybody. Fake news come from everywhere and are a real problem, for everybody.

America as the mainstream/European view it,is a complete facade. America is run by powerful entities that make decisions based on financial rewards and not on morals/ethics.Whatever is/isn't socially acceptable is all in regards to filling someones ulterior agenda. Trump winning the presidency was a moral victory for everyone that is against the blatant propaganda driven media/educational system. Many of the Europeans making judgement calls on America,have no idea what unique problems arise when you put literally every single person from every country into one place. I could for example say that Germans are very extreme and rigid individuals. In the 1930s it was Nazism and now it is Cultural Marxism. It is almost as if they feel like they owe the world reparations for the Holocaust because they feel some sort of guilt. Maybe you could tell me more since you are from Germany. As a minority that grew up in the US,I cannot comprehend how most people fail to see agendas for what they are. Democrats basically try to cater to every single group in America by feeding them contradictory lies,in 2016 the public got tired of the blatant corruption thus Trump won the election. 32% of the Hispanic vote went to Donald Trump in America,yet CNN and the German News Network never seem to mention this.
 

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Because most of the time is overbearing, heavy handed, and poorly written into the story. I usually find that mediums and creators have a hard time adding in LGBT characters without it seeming unnecessary to the story, much like any out of place love interest or story shoe horned into a finished work.
 
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America as the mainstream/European view it,is a complete facade. America is run by powerful entities that make decisions based on financial rewards and not on morals/ethics.Whatever is/isn't socially acceptable is all in regards to filling someones ulterior agenda. Trump winning the presidency was a moral victory for everyone that is against the blatant propaganda driven media/educational system. Many of the Europeans making judgement calls on America,have no idea what unique problems arise when you put literally every single person from every country into one place. I could for example say that Germans are very extreme and rigid individuals. In the 1930s it was Nazism and now it is Cultural Marxism. It is almost as if they feel like they owe the world reparations for the Holocaust because they feel some sort of guilt. Maybe you could tell me more since you are from Germany. As a minority that grew up in the US,I cannot comprehend how most people fail to see agendas for what they are. Democrats basically try to cater to every single group in America by feeding them contradictory lies,in 2016 the public got tired of the blatant corruption thus Trump won the election. 32% of the Hispanic vote went to Donald Trump in America,yet CNN and the German News Network never seem to mention this.
I am not sure what are you asking me. Though, I couldn't tell you much about Germany, because even if I live in Germany now, I've lived most of my life in Argentina. Sure I can tell you a lot of Argentina if that is what you want to know about. Regarding Germany, sure you can see there's some kind of national guilt after the Holocaust, you can see it out there, but I can't tell you much more.

Regarding what I was talking about in my post, I am saying that the type of journalism that is founded and reaches the people has nothing to do with journalism, it is just all show, "fake news" is a real problem that affects everybody and comes from every source. The problem is not new, but it has become even worse in recent times.

I agree with most of your post actually, but some part of it is kind of confusing and it seems you are implying I pass judgement on Americans; that is not the case, I am not judging Americans, I am just saying that nowadays it has become difficult to find some source of news that can be trusted, "fake news" are all around and come from all sources and parties, and it is even more confusing due to information overload from social media.

PS: Please, be kind and use <ENTER> more often, it is hard to read a wall of text.
 
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If "being gay" is a character's main trait and personality, then there's no reason to have such a character in the first place, because that's lazy writing. If it's also just a "look! Look! We r brave and put gay person into movie!!!1 pls watch" then there's no reason to have such a character in the first place, as you're just being a tool and using it for a PR marketing scheme.

No regular person with half a brain is bothered by well written LGBT characters.

So I haven't read past this post but this one really stuck out to me because of an experance I had on a writing forum once. I like to think that I can create pretty in depth character's with realistic personalities. That being said I often don't feel the need to broadcast all their personality traits until or unless it serves a purpose to the overall plot or the characters story line. Sometimes however I may find my characters in situations where such information might naturally come to light. This just so happened in one story that I was posting.

Basically around the 1/3 mark, through casual dialogue with a miner character I "revealed" that the main character is gay. I say "revealed" because it was meant more as a hint then as acual conformation.
After that I got two or three commenters complaining every few chapters that basically amounted to "OMG, Damico's not flanting his gayness enough!" Basically I could only figure they must be unhappy that my character didn't conform to gay stereotypes and didn't interject his sexual orientation in every paragraph.

Eventually in frustration I remember writing one response that went like this,


"I have spent nearly four years creating this character.
Four years I have spent plotting out his childhood, teens years and early experiences,
Four years I have spent figuring out how those events could have shaped his personality,
Four years I have spent deciding how the traits he gained from these experiences would best shape his life and adventures moving forward,
I have spent so much time trying to build a likable and believable character. Yet Damico stopped being a mere character ages ago. He became something dear and cherished to me, a sort of intellectual child. I have a list of nearly 100 character trait and quarks, many of which can't even be boiled down to a single word yet I know them by heart. If someone asked my for the top twenty Damico being homosexual would not even be something I would consider to mention. Frankly a consider it less the 1 percent of who he is.
The fact that some can't seem to look past or see him as any thing but his preferences in sex partners is extremely insulting to me."

That pretty much sums up how I feel about having gay or transgender characters in movies and shows. Add them in that's great but don't make a dig duel of it unless it contributes to plot or character development.
 
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