Why do people get so triggered about introducing LGBT characters into movies?

[TotalInsanity4]

I have always believed that being gay is just as much a perversion as pedophelia, beastiality, or incest. I know, I know... The argument is that gay people are not harming each other, or anybody else. and it's two consenting adults. If this is the case, then one must ask why incest is illegal and punishible up to 5 years in prison in most states?? In the case of incest between an adult brother and sister, or two cousins, are they not also two consenting adults that love each other, and are not doing harm to anybody, just as the gay couple????? So just as I would not want hollywood and disney promoting incest, pedophelia, beastiality, etc to my kids, I also don't want them promoting, and normalizing LGBT themes to my kids either. That's my opinion. Now I will sit back and experience the backlash by all of you for disagreeing with this perversion. This day and age is like sodom and gamorrah all over again. Really sad. And no, I'm not religious.

When the bait is real

Anyway, the reason incest is a crime usually boils down to "if the girl conceives the child will inevitably be messed up because genetics"

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Incest (e.g. brother-sister) may be illegal in any case due to the strong probability of genetic problems children would carry.
Relations between cousins are not incest, and Americans are crazy, but that is common knowledge.

Relations between cousins are indeed incest, you either need to be three or four times removed for genetic fuckery to not show up in your children

 

[xpoverzion]

When the bait is real

Anyway, the reason incest is a crime usually boils down to "if the girl conceives the child will inevitably be messed up because genetics"

Not a good argument. It's not illigal for drug addicts to love each other, and have kids in which the drug abuse will likely lead to birth defects. What if brother and sister loved each other, and decided to adopt because they were aware of the risks? Just like many healthy heterosexual couples adopt because they know they have a genetic condition that gives a high risk of a "faulty" baby. So yeah, that's not really the reason why incest is illigal. Incest is illegal for the same reason that homosexuality was illegal, frownded upon, and considered taboo for most of human history in most cultures. For the reason that it's viewed as an immoral perversion.

 

[DeslotlCL]

I have always believed that being gay is just as much a perversion as pedophelia, beastiality, or incest. I know, I know... The argument is that gay people are not harming each other, or anybody else. and it's two consenting adults. If this is the case, then one must ask why incest is illegal and punishible up to 5 years in prison in most states?? In the case of incest between an adult brother and sister, or two cousins, are they not also two consenting adults that love each other, and are not doing harm to anybody, just as the gay couple????? So just as I would not want hollywood and disney promoting incest, pedophelia, beastiality, etc to my kids, I also don't want them promoting, and normalizing LGBT themes to my kids either. That's my opinion. Now I will sit back and experience the backlash by all of you for disagreeing with this perversion. This day and age is like sodom and gamorrah all over again. Really sad. And no, I'm not religious.

Yeah yeah balabing pam pom etc. As long as your kids grow up being tolerant people to the others who dont hurt them or dont do anything bad to them, then we are fine.

It's okay that you dont agree with gay people, it is your opinion an feelings after all. But for the love of god, dont let your kids to be intolerant with people, we all have different point of views, and if at least im respecting yours, respect me and the others who havent done anything bad to you or your kids.

 

[sarkwalvein]

Relations between cousins are indeed incest, you either need to be three or four times removed for genetic fuckery to not show up in your children

Not in most of the world.

PS: And actually if you look for studies, and though there's an increase in risk of childbearing between first-cousins, it is insignificant and comparable to that of any other couple ten years older IIRC.

 

[xpoverzion]

Yeah yeah balabing pam pom etc. As long as your kids grow up being tolerant people to the others who dont hurt them or dont do anything bad to them, then we are fine.

It's okay that you dont agree with gay people, it is your opinion an feelings after all. But for the love of god, dont let your kids to be intolerant with people, we all have different point of views, and if at least im respecting yours, respect me and the others who havent done anything bad to you or your kids.

Are you tolerant with Nazi ideology? There is nothing wrong with teaching kids what's wrong with certain aspects of the world based on your own values and ideology, and which side of the fence to stand on.

 

[Deleted User]

Are you tolerant with Nazi ideology? There is nothing wrong with teaching kids what's wrong with certain aspects of the world, and which side of the fence to stand on.

Except if you teach them to be intolerant with gays, you are teaching them to fail. Whether or not you believe it is correct is up to you, but for heaven's sake do NOT teach your kids to be intolerant with people. We don't live in a world where actual Nazism is acceptable (neo-Nazis exist but that is a different argument). But we do live in a world where the future will require that relationships between straights and queer, and by teaching them to hate/dislike queers you are only setting them up for failure.

 

[sarkwalvein]

Are you tolerant with Nazi ideology?

Of course not, and of course one of the first standards of Nazi ideology was the extermination of gay people.

 

[DeslotlCL]

Are you tolerant with Nazi ideology? There is nothing wrong with teaching kids what's wrong with certain aspects of the world based on your own values and ideology, and which side of the fence to stand on.

Well, you just compared apple to oranges...

 

[SG854]

I have always believed that being gay is just as much a perversion as pedophelia, beastiality, or incest. I know, I know... The argument is that gay people are not harming each other, and it's two consenting adults. If this is the case, then one must ask why incest is illegal and punishible up to 5 years in prison in most states?? In the case of incest between an adult brother and sister, or two cousins, are they not also two consenting adults that love each other, and are not doing harm to anybody, just as the gay couple????? So just as I would not want hollywood and disney promoting incest, pedophelia, beastiality, etc to my kids, I also don't want them promoting, and normalizing LGBT themes to my kids either. That's my opinion. Now I will sit back and experience the backlash by all of you for disagreeing with this perversion. This day and age is like sodom and gamorrah all over again. Really sad. And no, I'm not religious.

Cousin marriages use to be common, and is still common in some parts of the world. Majority of marriages throughout history were between first and second cousins.

One thing about marriage is that it wasn't always about love and marrying for personality. That didn't come until the 1900's. People were focused on survival back then and marriage was based on that. Being able to marry for love today is a luxury that our ancestors didn't have. Love back then meant something different then it does today.

 

[osm70]

I have always believed that being gay is just as much a perversion as pedophelia, beastiality, or incest. I know, I know... The argument is that gay people are not harming each other, or anybody else. and it's two consenting adults. If this is the case, then one must ask why incest is illegal and punishible up to 5 years in prison in most states?? In the case of incest between an adult brother and sister, or two cousins, are they not also two consenting adults that love each other, and are not doing harm to anybody, just as the gay couple????? So just as I would not want hollywood and disney promoting incest, pedophelia, beastiality, etc to my kids, I also don't want them promoting, and normalizing LGBT themes to my kids either. That's my opinion. Now I will sit back and experience the backlash by all of you for disagreeing with this perversion. This day and age is like sodom and gamorrah all over again. Really sad. And no, I'm not religious.

Not a good argument. It's not illigal for drug addicts to love each other, and have kids in which the drug abuse will likely lead to birth defects. What if brother and sister loved each other, and decided to adopt because they were aware of the risks? Just like many healthy heterosexual couples adopt because they know they have a genetic condition that gives a high risk of a "faulty" baby. So yeah, that's not really the reason why incest is illigal. Incest is illegal for the same reason that homosexuality was illegal, frownded upon, and considered taboo for most of human history in most cultures. For the reason that it's viewed as an immoral perversion.

Yeah.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with incest unless they have biological children. If they either adopt or don't have kids at all, incest is perfectly fine. I see no good reason why it should be illegal or frowned upon.

 

[deinonychus71]

I have always believed that being gay is just as much a perversion as pedophelia, beastiality, or incest. I know, I know... The argument is that gay people are not harming each other, or anybody else. and it's two consenting adults. If this is the case, then one must ask why incest is illegal and punishible up to 5 years in prison in most states?? In the case of incest between an adult brother and sister, or two cousins, are they not also two consenting adults that love each other, and are not doing harm to anybody, just as the gay couple????? So just as I would not want hollywood and disney promoting incest, pedophelia, beastiality, etc to my kids, I also don't want them promoting, and normalizing LGBT themes to my kids either. That's my opinion. Now I will sit back and experience the backlash by all of you for disagreeing with this perversion. This day and age is like sodom and gamorrah all over again. Really sad. And no, I'm not religious.

This is a typical case of whataboutism, with a added touch of strawmanism for giving an example that simply doesn't apply.

But since we're going this road:
- Incest might still be seen as a taboo, but it could as well be seen as the next thing to blow up and become more accepted. The very reason it's still taboo is because of the implications it can have on children.
- Beastiality uses basically the same reason as pedophelia, aka, they're animals, but they're young and they're babies and they can't give consent (that's the official reason anyway), and so yes, a strong taboo. (oh btw feel free to kill them eat them use them for drug testing no probs)

And somehow, you're trying to turn into derision that indeed, two adult men or two adult women are perfectly able to give consent without actually implying anyone else, to be born or not.

If you wanted a better example, you could have picked a relationship between a man or woman of different ethnicity. It's a much better match to the premise, and it used to be discouraged/judged a few decades ago.
Oh right... that would go against your views, though :/


Also yeah... you're never actually giving any justification as to why being gay is bad other than "it's a perversion". Nor why it wouldn't be possible to have feelings for the same sex. Scrap all that thinking under the key word "believe", and it's a golden ticket for passing judgments without ever having to think too much about it.
You see gay relationships as a perversion. In the very narrow minded concept that sex should only be perpetrated for reproduction, it definitely is a perversion. Just like blow jobs and pretty much all the fantasies of a straight man beside good old missionary.
If your only argument is "it's a perversion", then surely you must be against all of that, since they're all equally perversions.

 

[blaisedinsd]

I believe the issue is that LGBTQ lifestyle is seen as immoral according to most major world religions.

LGBTQ these days is basically over represented in the media to the point where most people vastly over estimate how many people are actually LGBTQ.

Any negative representation on an LGBTQ character is criticized by watchdog groups so nearly all LGBTQ characters are idealized superheroes and are sympathetic.

The prevalence and acceptance of LGBTQ culture is seen as a culture war by some where more people will become LGBTQ (and hence immoral) because it is accepted as an equal and alternative lifestyle. Nature vs Nuture.....the nurture is almost certainly having an effect on how many identify as LGBTQ isn't it?


I think thats why some people get triggered by it...

I am pretty liberal about it but I do have a problem with Transgenders being intimate with people without revealing they are transgender....I have seen discussions where many feel they don't have to and I consider that to be rape. People are attracted to certain genders, even gay people, you can't give consent if someone is deceiving about their biological sex because of their gender identity....some tansgender persons can fool almost everyone. I believe a transgender person should be legally obligated to reveal they are transgender before being intimate with someone. Other than that do what ever you want. But I guess that is kind of off the topic.....

 

[deinonychus71]

I believe the issue is that LGBTQ lifestyle is seen as immoral according to most major world religions.

I consider immoral that the followers of a non-existing god whose fanatics are responsible for so many wars and pain in history and even today still have the balls to tell us what to do, what to think, and who to have sex with.

To the point where you can't say fuck on tv, but you can watch gore anytime
To the point where half of the cursing of the english language is made of religious references
To the point where a president still have to swear on the bible
To the point where you're reminded of that insanity when you look at literally every single dollar bill in the states.

But you know, they can do what they want and believe in whatever creationist lies they want, so long as they let other people think what they want and stop judging them :-)
... Yeah thinking about it, definitely a cultural war.

 

[Deleted User]

I believe the issue is that LGBTQ lifestyle is seen as immoral according to most major world religions.

LGBTQ these days is basically over represented in the media to the point where most people vastly over estimate how many people are actually LGBTQ.

Any negative representation on an LGBTQ character is criticized by watchdog groups so nearly all LGBTQ characters are idealized superheroes and are sympathetic.

The prevalence and acceptance of LGBTQ culture is seen as a culture war by some where more people will become LGBTQ (and hence immoral) because it is accepted as an equal and alternative lifestyle. Nature vs Nuture.....the nurture is almost certainly having an effect on how many identify as LGBTQ isn't it?


I think thats why some people get triggered by it...

I agree with this. Both sides are highly over represented. And it all comes down to the vocal minority.

A little off-topic, but here goes.
All religions where being LGBT+ is viewed as sinful behavior are viewed in a negative light because the vocal minority shouts and tries to rile up their fellow LGBT+ members to fight against these religions. Then, these members fight the religions get angry, shouting about how they are being persecuted for their beliefs. Some of these religions view same-sex relationships as a sin, but not a sin that you cannot recover from. Others view it as punishable by the very depths of hell and unrecoverable. Most religions take this and run with it, saying "Hey! Look at those slobs! What are they doing, having sex every night with their own gender?!?!?!" whereas that is not at all what being LGBT+ is about. And the LGBT+ are shouting "Hey! Look at those imbeciles who believe in bed-time stories! What are they doing, telling us how we can and can't live??!??!?!?!" In my religion specifically, we are trying our best to make sure that people know that we don't hate LGBT+ people, and that we are willing to let them be members of our church as long as they aren't preaching their lifestyle. Being LGBT+ is as bad a sin as watching pornography or pre-marriage sex.

But back on topic, probably the largest reason for these issues is the misunderstanding between the two and the divide being further widened by us not actually talking it out and instead relying on news articles/stories to give us our fill.

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so long as they let other people think what they want and stop judging them

that's a two way street my friend.

 

[TotalInsanity4]

To the point where a president still have to swear on the bible

Not to take away from your point, but an elected official can swear on literally anything that they hold in incredibly high regard. It's just that most of them choose the Bible

 

[deinonychus71]

that's a two way street my friend.

Yep, That's why I would never go about banning all depictions of religions in the medias or in the society.

I'm only asking for them to do the same. Yes forcing lgbt characters for no reason is stupid, but good written characters are more than welcome, just like well written stories about religions or depicting religious characters.

Not to take away from your point, but an elected official can swear on literally anything that they hold in incredibly high regard. It's just that most of them choose the Bible

Thanks for rectifying, I wasn't aware

 

[Minox]

Incest (e.g. brother-sister) may be illegal in any case due to the strong probability of genetic problems children would carry.
Relations between cousins are not incest, and Americans are crazy, but that is common knowledge.

Relations between cousins is incest, just not close enough to matter if it's not done to the extreme. In certain communities like the Pakistani one it's somewhat common for cousins to marry and since that can happen throughout several generations they've in some cases taken it to such extremes that birth defects and abnormalities are much more common than for the general population.

 

[Deleted User]

Characters are one of the several driving forces behind a plot; without sufficiently interesting and/or relatable characters, the story goes nowhere. Some people seem to get triggered when LGBT characters appear in a work, and others seem to get triggered when LGBT characters don't appear in a work. It's a bit silly, to be honest. However, if the characters aren't sufficiently interesting/relatable, then I don't care if they're LGBT or not; they're boring and I don't like them.

Playing the Devil's Advocate, however, some people don't like having "so many" LGBT characters on-screen because they see it as forcing a sexuality (that an admitted minority of the population is part of) down everyone's throats and are making kids think that it's OK to try being gay, as if it's casual thing. Those aren't my words, though, and I'm just going to leave it at that.

The ones that I don't like are "we say our character is LGBT because we're inclusive but never actually write or show anything that confirms that so as to not make anyone who hates gays mad"

I'm looking at you, J K Rowling

This. Being gay adds absolutely nothing to Dumbledore's character, at least, from what I've seen from the Harry Potter books/movies.

 

[TotalInsanity4]

This. Being gay adds absolutely nothing to Dumbledore's character, at least, from what I've seen from the Harry Potter books/movies.

Don't get me wrong, I don't mind that he is (or, more appropriately, was -_-) canonically gay. It's that Rowling only announced it after the seventh book was written for the sake of "oh hey look I'm an ally and I CARE", and then also completely went back on that for his upcoming character in the Fantastic Beasts series, presumably because she has something to lose again

 

[The Real Jdbye]

I have not seen anyone that has a problem with it and I certainly don't. But there will always be those who are just looking for an excuse to complain. Can't please everyone.

There is nothing wrong by including LBGT characters into movies and series. As there never was with blacks or asians.

The problem starts, when the character is forced into the show, just for the sake of diversity. Just like with older movies, where the cast is white, but there is one black character (mostly killed of first in horrors), so the critics shut up.

One example: there is nothing wrong if somebody includes a gay character in a movie. Show his sexuality. But if every time he has screen time he has to flount it to the viewers, unnaturally, like he is "special" for his sexuality, not for his abilities or talents, it's unnatural.

There is difference between natural diversity and forced diversity.

That thing with the black person getting killed first still happens in modern movies.