Gaming will the ps5 and next xbox turn the switch into another wii u

DeslotlCL · Apr 12, 2018

The problem here is that most people read the title and answer with that in mind, while the op clearly states on his post about the games and power difference.

Why you must ask? Well, because now porting snd downgrading, for example, ps4 games to switch isnt really that much of a problem, but imagine now when the power difference between a ps5 and switch could cause. Yes, since the switch will remain popular and selling, ps5 games could still be coming, but the downgrade would be so hard that we would be back to the wii era, with games from the bigger consoles being downgraded to hell, missing features, game modes, etc. That is the fear of the op, UNLESS third party developers put more time and money on switch exclusive games, which i doubt, since porting even to the weaker consoles is less time and money consuming and also they can simply outsource the porting....

SoslanVanWieren · Apr 12, 2018

I do think the ps5 rumors are fake though because the ps4 pro has no price drop yet if a ps5 was coming soon they would drop the price. also they aren't going to get a console thats more powerful then the xbox one x for the launch price of a ps4 console. Since the xbox one x is not even a year old yet and it costs the price of a launch console i don't think its coming anytime soon.

linuxares · Apr 12, 2018

It's about the games! Are they fun? Do they give more to the table than on the other console etc.

adrian226 · Apr 12, 2018

Sega + Microsoft = The Original Xbox = Sega Dreamcast 2

What about Sega Dreamcast 3 ?

SoslanVanWieren · Apr 12, 2018

linuxares said:
It's about the games! Are they fun? Do they give more to the table than on the other console etc.

People these days just want games for the graphics and not the game play that is why games are supposed to be fun not realistic.

adrian226 · Apr 12, 2018

SoslanVanWieren said:
ps5

btw. if Trump launches "smart missiles" on syria then there will be no ps5 anymore.... xDD

wiewiec · Apr 12, 2018

linuxares said:
Ey, you got both Russian and German, isn't that good enough?

I think not

MeowMeowMeow · Apr 12, 2018

No U will not happen. Switch masterrace.

Risingdawn · Apr 12, 2018

What's the timeline for PS5, 2 years so late 2019-2020 earliest?

That gives Switch 3 years on the market, will (likely) have Pokemon, Fire Emblem, Metroid, Dragon Quest by then which will pull in massive sales.

That gives Switch a large install base by that point, and 3DS gone, if we think of the Pokemon crowd coming over I'd be surprised if it wasn't at 30-40mil units by then.

Also you have the standard early days of the new gen, so another year before they're being fully adopted, the last gen consoles would still be the base for most games then simply 'turned up' for the new hardware.

So by the time 'true' next gen games are released Switch is essentially 4 years old. Best case scenario, hardware has moved on to the point a Switch Pro is more than possible and a big boost. Worst case, 3rd party multi platform releases basically off the cards and Switch finally becomes the 'next 3DS' in all but name.

Unless another handheld from Sony or Microsoft comes along Switch is fine in it's niche. PS5 posses as little threat to the Switch as PS4 did to the 3DS, they're totally different markets.

MikaDubbz · Apr 12, 2018

DeslotlCL said:
The problem here is that most people read the title and answer with that in mind, while the op clearly states on his post about the games and power difference.

Why you must ask? Well, because now porting snd downgrading, for example, ps4 games to switch isnt really that much of a problem, but imagine now when the power difference between a ps5 and switch could cause. Yes, since the switch will remain popular and selling, ps5 games could still be coming, but the downgrade would be so hard that we would be back to the wii era, with games from the bigger consoles being downgraded to hell, missing features, game modes, etc. That is the fear of the op, UNLESS third party developers put more time and money on switch exclusive games, which i doubt, since porting even to the weaker consoles is less time and money consuming and also they can simply outsource the porting....

To me that seems irrelevant. The Switch is Nintendo's new handheld. There were plenty of third party developers making under-powered games (compared to what the consoles had to offer) for the 3DS because the system sold well and had a loyal following. All those third party devs that would continue to make games for the 3DS are now just going to make those games for the Switch. Which to me proves that the Switch should be able to stay relevant and sell strong even if MS and Sony release new systems within the next few years, just so long as the great games keep on coming to the system, and I don't see why they wouldn't at this point. Yeah, we may not continue to get downports of PS5 and Xtwo third party titles, but the 3DS sold fantastically well without any downports of third party titles released for the PS4/Xbone or PS3/360 for that matter.

DeslotlCL · Apr 12, 2018

MikaDubbz said:
To me that seems irrelevant. The Switch is Nintendo's new handheld. There were plenty of third party developers making under-powered games (compared to what the consoles had to offer) for the 3DS because the system sold well and had a loyal following. All those third party devs that would continue to make games for the 3DS are now just going to make those games for the Switch. Which to me proves that the Switch should be able to stay relevant and sell strong even if MS and Sony release new systems within the next few years, just so long as the great games keep on coming to the system, and I don't see why they wouldn't at this point. Yeah, we may not continue to get downports of PS5 and Xtwo third party titles, but the 3DS sold fantastically well without any downports of third party titles released for the PS4/Xbone or PS3/360 for that matter.

You are missing the point here. The 3ds was a pure handheld with two screens, its unique nature was meant for portable gaming and not for full fledge console games. The nature of the switch is the opposite, is a handheld with enough power (even if underpowered) to run home consoles third party games on the go, and those games are what worries op, this is why he made the comparision with the wii u, since porting to it was hard, was underpowered and also it was a total comercial failure. At least the switch is selling and even if a new generation of home consoles with more power arrives, the switch could still get those home console games, but this time like in the old wii days, with horrible downgrades and missing stuff.

MikaDubbz · Apr 13, 2018

DeslotlCL said:
You are missing the point here. The 3ds was a pure handheld with two screens, its unique nature was meant for portable gaming and not for full fledge console games. The nature of the switch is the opposite, is a handheld with enough power (even if underpowered) to run home consoles third party games on the go, and those games are what worries op, this is why he made the comparision with the wii u, since porting to it was hard, was underpowered and also it was a total comercial failure. At least the switch is selling and even if a new generation of home consoles with more power arrives, the switch could still get those home console games, but this time like in the old wii days, with horrible downgrades and missing stuff.

That really doesn't change the fact that the Switch is taking the 3DS' place in the market, not the Wii U's. If you can't recognize that, then you're simply not going to see or understand the reality of why the Switch will continue to sell well even while Sony and Microsoft are playing around with far superior tech. And again, when we get to the next gen of Sony and MS systems, we may not see many more downports, but we will continue to see 3rd parties making titles exclusively for the Switch. We're already seeing this shift with games that had always been or had made the shift to only being handheld franchises in Pokemon and Fire Emblem. Rumor is that YoKai Watch 4 is coming exclusively to the Switch, Shin Megami Tensai 5 is exclusively coming to the Switch, Level-5 has confirmed that they're shifting all future development from 3DS titles to the Switch (the Layton series and more), and we're only going to see more of this, I'm sure the Ace Attorney series for example will shift from the 3DS to the Switch. This is the Switch's place in the market: the next Nintendo handheld with the same handheld development teams from the 3DS making games there instead (as well as all the console Nintendo dev teams making games specifically for it as well obviously), along with some great ports from the last gen, and a handful of downports from this gen. Yes, this system will absolutely continue to live when the PS5 and Xtwo drop, I have no doubt about it.

Yepi69 · Apr 13, 2018

No.
The PS1 didn't turn the Nintendo 64 into another Wii U.
The PS2 didn't turn the Gamecube into another Wii U.
The PS3 didn't turn the Wii into a Wii U.
The PS4 isn't turning the Switch into a Wii U and nor will the PS5/Xboned

The reason for this is that Nintendo doesn't give a flying f*** about competition, they do what they do and people like it. Albeit sometimes gimmicky, albeit sometimes not.
People look for the successes of the childhood franchises they grew up in, in Nintendo consoles. Not power.

Futurdreamz · Apr 13, 2018

I think we really need to have a better understanding of what a PS5 or Xbox One 2 would look like - both the PS4 and XBO have half-upgrades that up the performance. It's likely that unless there is a killer gimmick both Sony and Microsoft would have a hard time marketing an upgrade even to their core audience.

Sony is looking into VR so they might go that direction, but interest in VR is stalling and people are not buying units like they were.

Microsoft is merging Xbox and Windows code, so in the future they may drop the Xbox entirely but allow third party developers to make their own consoles that run the familiar Xbox interface and games - except they get to rapidly compete on price and power. If that happens neither Sony nor Nintendo can ever catch up in the graphics race.

That being said, whenever Nintendo has a solid console it doesn't matter a whit what Microsoft and Sony do. It's been reported that Wii sales were so high because consumers were buying it alongside their choice of Xbox 360 or PS3.

Bladexdsl · Apr 13, 2018

ps5 ain't coming anytime soon as for xbox lol don't even mention that i'm amazed it's still alive people must really love remasteres and OLD ported xbox games

Bowl0l · Apr 13, 2018

I'm only looking forward to Nvidia giving Nintendo a hard time. Nvidia did mention console design margins are poor.
My only dream is Nvidia ensure all Switch games can be emulated easily on an Nvidia mobile chip or GPU.

Captain_N · Apr 14, 2018

Well if the publishers and devs get theit fingers out their arse then there wont be a problem. If the switch was more powerfull then a ps5 they would still bitch.

Moon164 · Apr 17, 2018

wiewiec said:
My country - Poland also is forgoten by nintendo, not only the prize is huge but also they f#ckers even skip my national language at the system menus...

In Brazil we are in the same situation, since the Pokémon Diamond / Pearl we make requests for Nintendo to add Portuguese-Brazil in their games, but after X / Y we only accept that we are forgotten by Nintendo
https://www.change.org/p/pokémon-x-e-y-em-português

Game Freak came to answer, but instead they preferred to bring 3 different Chinese types instead of a Portuguese (PT-PT or PT-BR)

On the price of Switch, here currently costs in the range of 2000 R $ to 3000 R $ (Price of PS4Pro here), and if you brick or break like mine, you can say goodbye to your console because you will not get someone to fix it

PS: Sorry for my english again.

horokeusama · Apr 17, 2018

Not so much because Switch can always be perceived as handheld that can also double as home console. And since making games for it will surely stay less expensive than making something for the next gen, smaller devs will keep suporting it as long there are people willing to buy games for it.

Let's remember that the DS was way weaker than the PSP, and the 3DS had the same relation with Vita, and both Nintendo consoles succeeded over Sony's. Wii U failed because it didn't have enough installed base.

SoslanVanWieren · Apr 19, 2018

I don't think they will completely kill the 3ds anytime soon sure they may not make any games for it but they will still sell if because if they get rid of it they are getting rid of a device that can play every single main series pokemon game except gen 3.

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