Hacking Gateway will fix any bricked 3DS for free, as long as you're not lying!

sergster1 · Jan 17, 2014

osirisjem said:
It's unproven to me.
When he ships it to Gateway I'll believe it.

Hate to break it to you but no one gives a fuck what you believe. Even if he did send it to Gateway and they decided to not send it back for some reason even though he has proved to everyone but you that he was using a Gateway when the brick happened you'd still side with gateway. You remind me of the intel shills I see on /g/ whenever someone recommends a CPU.

Arras · Jan 17, 2014

osirisjem said:
It's unproven to me.
When he ships it to Gateway I'll believe it.

The problem is, if he ships it to Gateway, chances are they will lie and say it's fake. There is NO WAY to know whether it is real or fake. It's impossible to tell until your own 3DS gets bricked, and at that point it's too late. This is the internet, anyone can lie for any reason, including the Gateway team.

Saturosias · Jan 17, 2014

sergster1 said:
Regarding the Apollo case, the guy PROVED already that he had a gateway.

And there's no evidence whatsoever that he didn't use Normmatt's region-free patch, stop acting like his "case" is full proof, because it's not.

insidexdeath · Jan 17, 2014

The on going discussion threads are becoming very pointless. Nothing seems original in them anymore. All I see is blind fans of Gateway's still believing Gateway despite the fact that trusted members of the 3DS scene already confirmed a brick code being in 2.01b2.

sergster1 · Jan 17, 2014

Saturosias said:
And there's no evidence whatsoever that he didn't use Normmatt's region-free patch, stop acting like his "case" is full proof, because it's not.

Check the time stamp on the file last being modified. IIRC the region free patch came out on the 28th. Granted he could have changed his computers system time and this could all be an elaborate ruse by these "cheap Chinese factory workers who are hired to sully the glorious Gateway name" but that's highly unlikely. Be reasonable here and actually use your brain.

the_randomizer · Jan 17, 2014

insidexdeath said:
The on going discussion threads are becoming very pointless. Nothing seems original in them anymore. All I see is blind fans of Gateway's still believing Gateway despite the fact that trusted members of the 3DS scene already confirmed a brick code being in 2.01b2.

No shit. These discussions were pointless from the first post that was made.

Joe88 · Jan 17, 2014

insidexdeath said:
The on going discussion threads are becoming very pointless. Nothing seems original in them anymore. All I see is blind fans of Gateway's still believing Gateway despite the fact that trusted members of the 3DS scene already confirmed a brick code being in 2.01b2.

And arn't many people blindly taking word from scene members without any proof and who have an anti-piracy agenda? (most of them at least)

At this point I don't believe anyone, because you know its the internet. People can say whatever they want and skew a person's opinions and beliefs without any type of proof. (its what governments, news, and other types of media do all the time but I wont get into that)
I'll wait till more information comes in to make any kind of judgement call.

Wisenheimer · Jan 17, 2014

Joe88 said:
And arn't many people blindly taking word from scene members without any proof and who have an anti-piracy agenda? (most of them at least)

At this point I don't believe anyone, because you knows its the internet. I'll wait till more information comes in to make any kind of judgement call.

You know that is a circumstantial ad hominem logical fallacy, right?

Just because a lot of members of the 3DS hacking "scene" support actually paying software developers for the games they are currently manufacturing and selling has absolutely nothing to do with the accuracy of their reports regarding the dissasembly and examination of the gateway binaries.

the_randomizer · Jan 17, 2014

Wisenheimer said:
You know that is a circumstantial ad hominem logical fallacy, right?

He is right about the anti-piracy agenda bit.

Wisenheimer · Jan 17, 2014

the_randomizer said:
He is right about the anti-piracy agenda bit.

Which is a non sequitur.

the_randomizer · Jan 17, 2014

Wisenheimer said:
Which is a non sequitur.

Meh. Regardless, there's far too much confusion going on lately.

badbob001 · Jan 17, 2014

Arras said:
The problem is, if he ships it to Gateway, chances are they will lie and say it's fake. There is NO WAY to know whether it is real or fake. It's impossible to tell until your own 3DS gets bricked, and at that point it's too late. This is the internet, anyone can lie for any reason, including the Gateway team.

If Gateway were smart, they would record the checksum of the launcher into nand or someplace before bricking, so they can immediate tell which version of the launcher was used. Of course, if only Gateway is able to view that data, then it's still their word...

jpx86 · Jan 17, 2014

badbob001 said:
If Gateway were smart, they would record the checksum of the launcher into nand or someplace before bricking, so they can immediate tell which version of the launcher was used. Of course, if only Gateway is able to view that data, then it's still their word...

If they were smart, then they'd release a new version without this code in it.

If you encounter a bug in their code and brick your 3DS with a Gateway, then you are screwed for a while. It is going to take several weeks to mail it both ways. It is going to cost you shipping. Who is going to pay the return shipping? Who says they won't just say you "lied" in the first place? If you send them $100, then how do you know they will send it back?

Stay on 1.2 for now...

Huntereb · Jan 17, 2014

badbob001 said:
If Gateway were smart, they would record the checksum of the launcher into nand or someplace before bricking, so they can immediate tell which version of the launcher was used. Of course, if only Gateway is able to view that data, then it's still their word...

If they were smart, they would have told people the launcher contained a bomb in the first place. Or, not put the bomb into the launcher at all.

Arras · Jan 17, 2014

badbob001 said:
If Gateway were smart, they would record the checksum of the launcher into nand or someplace before bricking, so they can immediate tell which version of the launcher was used. Of course, if only Gateway is able to view that data, then it's still their word...

When I said there's no way to tell, I meant for us people on the internet, not for Gateway.

_Tim_ · Jan 17, 2014

Gateway probably reprogrammed part of the CSD and/or Extended CSD registers of the eMMC to either password protect it, set the partition size(s) to 0, make it readonly, or maybe something else. If this is the case then unbricking should be easy (solder the usual 4 wires to the eMMC) and cheap ($7 "cable" on eBay). Only problem is writing the necessary software. Someone needs to do it and I have neither a bricked 3DS nor the "cable". If in 2-3 weeks time (when my $7 "cable" arrives) there is still no way to unbrick a 3DS then I will write the necessary software.

osirisjem · Jan 17, 2014

sergster1 said:
Hate to break it to you but no one gives a fuck what you believe.

??

Not even my Mommy ?

Even if he did send it to Gateway and they decided to not send it back for some reason even though he has proved to everyone but you that he was using a Gateway when the brick happened you'd still side with gateway.

No, I would side with him.

Time will show who's right here.
The exact brick code will be released, etc.
I promise I won't rub it in your face, that's not how I roll.

Arras · Jan 17, 2014

osirisjem said:
??
Not even my Mommy ?

No, I would side with him.

Time will show who's right here.
The exact brick code will be released, etc.
I promise I won't rub it in your face, that's not how I roll.

The problem is there is no "exact brick code" - it's all carefully constructed obfuscated memory calls that are near impossible to figure out without special hardware. Even isolating the part that causes bricks would be absolutely meaningless to post.

osirisjem · Jan 17, 2014

Arras said:
The problem is there is no "exact brick code" - it's all carefully constructed obfuscated memory calls that are near impossible to figure out without special hardware. Even isolating the part that causes bricks would be absolutely meaningless to post.

All the Anti-Gateway people are 100% convinced about brick code.

Wekker · Jan 17, 2014

Their policy is actually pretty fair. Not better than any other policy when you buy a product online. Conducting a research cost time. Time = money in the business world.
If you think your mobile phone is broken because a factory fault. Than it will repaired for free if you sent it to your vendor and if it is not a factory fault, you have to pay for the investigation cost, which is around 50 to 100 dollar

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