Hacking Complain HERE about the anti-piracy in Riivolution and Newer SMBW

Ray Lewis · Jun 10, 2013

Subtle Demise said:
Good luck with that, a bunch of copyright white-knights went on a crusade and are trying to take down everything game related.

Yeah, like 3ds had the "We hacked it" notice and Wii U bs. Anyone else take those up? Devs are now absolute hypocrites. They want toys for them/ friends and the cred/ attention for "hacking" it. Whatever "it" may be. This thread won't likely be read by a lot of those devs. This does not appear to be flaming given the thread was for complaining.

As I check #Wiiudev and #wiidev you see the same names. Why can't there be competition to release? There are engineers and professionals out there. I heard geohot was to avoid Sony systems. He obviously releases and seems way more talented from what I read. Where is gianpunes? Release before your work gets stolen.

Maybe others step in. Scenes should not go this way. As I check I think there are no insults directly. Friends or not anyone who goes public should be willing to take being called hypocritical based on their actions (or inaction). People warned me and now I see they were correct. Not going to reveal as those scene legends from other scenes wanted me to know flames don't work and it is for attention.

Edit: the announcements are for attention.

Zetta_x · Jun 10, 2013

It's a little for attention and a little hatred towards the general population. The average hacker who does this is most likely a sociopath.

Bobbybangin · Jun 10, 2013

I don't complain. I just don't use it. There are other options. I get what I want and avoid the drama. Easy and Simple.

JoostinOnline · Jun 10, 2013

Zetta_x said:
It's a little for attention and a little hatred towards the general population. The average hacker who does this is most likely a sociopath.

ROFL! Someone doesn't like their app being used for warez, so they are a sociopath (which means you have no conscience)? I'm not sure where you got your medical degree, but I have to say, I disagree with your diagnosis.

Edit: You know what, I'm bookmarking your post. I've got a special folder for ridiculous statements.

Zetta_x · Jun 10, 2013

JoostinOnline said:
ROFL! Someone doesn't like their app being used for warez, so they are a sociopath (which means you have no conscience)? I'm not sure where you got your medical degree, but I have to say, I disagree with your diagnosis.

Edit: You know what, I'm bookmarking your post. I've got a special folder for ridiculous statements.

I don't know where you got your medical degree because I don't have a medical degree.

Why don't they like their apps being used for wares? Who is it hurting? Does it encourage piracy?

JoostinOnline · Jun 10, 2013

Zetta_x said:
Why don't they like their apps being used for wares? Who is it hurting? Does it encourage piracy?

Nobody who is against breaking the law is going to release something that just gives more reasons to break the law. If any of my homebrew could be used for piracy, I wouldn't release it.

The truth is, it doesn't matter. You should ask a developer to do something they believe is wrong.

B.B.Link · Jun 10, 2013

Even if a ISO version was made, they couldn't release it here anyways. By the rules of this site we couldn't even post a link to where it was. Either way you'll have to manually patch it which will be a pain in the ass.

I don't see whats so special about this NSMBW hack anyways. I've played Another SMBW, Summer Sun, D.U's SMBW, Retro remix, Where it all began and some others and there all the same. How many times can you play the same game with different levels? Now I saw the video and scoped some interesting things, but its still the same stuff. Did they change those stupid Toads into Wario and Waluigi or anyone else? Is there a Factory World or a City World or any other world that's not a Forest, Beach, or Desert world? Does the W9 levels actually looks like a Rainbow Road like in the MarioKart series? Is the game finally optimized for 4 players to actually play and not have to go into the "coward" bubble in segments that's designed for only 1 player? No? So what are we crying about here?

I don't agree with dev's delusional anti-piracy measures, but its thier stuff so........

Zetta_x · Jun 10, 2013

JoostinOnline said:
Nobody who is against breaking the law is going to release something that just gives more reasons to break the law. If any of my homebrew could be used for piracy, I wouldn't release it.

The truth is, it doesn't matter. You should ask a developer to do something they believe is wrong.

I don't understand Joostin. I figured when I start posting stupid crap you would understand I'm under the influence of a drink that's for 21+ older.

Profile of the Sociopath

This website summarizes some of the common features of descriptions of the behavior of sociopaths.

Glibness and Superficial Charm
-Any one who offers a potential solution to make lives easier has this superficial charm. Look at you, you have earned the respect of some famous hackers without them actually doing anything but creating an app.

Manipulative and Conning
They never recognize the rights of others and see their self-serving behaviors as permissible. They appear to be charming, yet are covertly hostile and domineering, seeing their victim as merely an instrument to be used. They may dominate and humiliate their victims.
-Riivolution is controlled by DRM. It's obvious the DRM does not prevent piracy to the system but more of a hostile move to pirates.

Grandiose Sense of Self
Feels entitled to certain things as "their right."
-They probably have a version that loads isos because it's "Their Right"

Pathological Lying
Has no problem lying coolly and easily and it is almost impossible for them to be truthful on a consistent basis. Can create, and get caught up in, a complex belief about their own powers and abilities. Extremely convincing and even able to pass lie detector tests.
-Most hackers who have absurd knowledge of a system will not hesitate to lie to keep their respectable positions in the scene.

Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt
A deep seated rage, which is split off and repressed, is at their core. Does not see others around them as people, but only as targets and opportunities. Instead of friends, they have victims and accomplices who end up as victims. The end always justifies the means and they let nothing stand in their way.
-Definitely seen by people who hack the drm on a console only to create their own drm in programs. While may not be excluded to wii hackers, hackers often will steal fame.

Shallow Emotions
When they show what seems to be warmth, joy, love and compassion it is more feigned than experienced and serves an ulterior motive. Outraged by insignificant matters, yet remaining unmoved and cold by what would upset a normal person. Since they are not genuine, neither are their promises.
-How often is something released to seem to benefit the general public but instead is used to gain attention.

Incapacity for Love
-"I'm still alive"

Need for Stimulation
Living on the edge. Verbal outbursts and physical punishments are normal. Promiscuity and gambling are common.
-A hacker often lives this life when they break drm consoles and companies like sony pursue action.

Callousness/Lack of Empathy
Unable to empathize with the pain of their victims, having only contempt for others' feelings of distress and readily taking advantage of them.
-They can't empathize with the pirate behavior.

Criminal or Entrepreneurial Versatility
Changes their image as needed to avoid prosecution. Changes life story readily.
-Definitely seen in many of the people who circumnavigate through console security

JoostinOnline · Jun 10, 2013

So many flaws in that post, but I won't even bother to address them. At least now I know you're acting like a moron because you are drunk.

Zetta_x · Jun 10, 2013

JoostinOnline said:
So many flaws in that post, but I won't even bother to address them. At least now I know you're acting like a moron because you are drunk.

Thank you

While I agree there are many flaws and I have told myself at least 12 out of the 10 times to just stop typing. There is some legitimacy. The flaws are not from the argument itself but from the motivation to coming up with good connections.

I have asperger syndrome. Unfortunately for me, unless it comes to numbers and patterns, I'm pretty autistic. It's too hard to explain, but they share a similar pattern of behavior that resembles a sociopath. While obviously they are not complete sociopaths, they share a pattern far greater than the average individual.

Many homebrew developers who hate piracy can add implementations to check for piracy and completely block out their app. Why didn't you add anything to your powercheck app that tests for piracy? The reason why they don't is because they don't have a certain resentment built up. While I'm operating at a very low sample size, I've seen this resentment from certain developers on the wii scene. It's obvious that adding piracy checks in homebrew apps will never decrease piracy, it's more to satisfy that resentment towards the pirate population. While that itself doesn't make a sociopathic quality, but it seems like they dance over the less uneducated (with respect to wii development) and taunt them.

It's like you and saying you are bookmarking my post for ridiculous posts. But imagine doing that for an entire population of individuals. That certain resentment is only achieved in certain individuals.

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Sorry, I'm done...

Rydian · Jun 10, 2013

DeadlyFoez said:
instead of the other thread that I created.

What.

Sorry, typo. I meant "W hat"?

Also (unrelated to the above quote) I'm really glad nobody's pulling the "it's wrong for people to modify my software to do something I did not originally intend" standdoint, seeing as homebrew on the Wii itself is modifying Nintendo's OS to do things they did not originally intend.

... right? Nobody's done that yet, right?

Treeki · Jun 10, 2013

B.B.Link said:
I don't see whats so special about this NSMBW hack anyways. I've played Another SMBW, Summer Sun, D.U's SMBW, Retro remix, Where it all began and some others and there all the same. How many times can you play the same game with different levels? Now I saw the video and scoped some interesting things, but its still the same stuff. Did they change those stupid Toads into Wario and Waluigi or anyone else? Is there a Factory World or a City World or any other world that's not a Forest, Beach, or Desert world? Does the W9 levels actually looks like a Rainbow Road like in the MarioKart series? Is the game finally optimized for 4 players to actually play and not have to go into the "coward" bubble in segments that's designed for only 1 player? No? So what are we crying about here?

Newer is much more than any of those hacks. We have totally new worlds (and not all are the standard Mario fare), a new (to the NSMB series) powerup, new bosses, a few new enemies, among other stuff.

OK, it's not quite Mario Galaxy 3, but I think it's pretty good for a fan project.

And if you're not happy with that, I don't think you'll enjoy any of Nintendo's SMB sequels either. I guess you can't please everyone though

Subtle Demise · Jun 10, 2013

JoostinOnline said:
Nobody who is against breaking the law is going to release something that just gives more reasons to break the law. If any of my homebrew could be used for piracy, I wouldn't release it.

The truth is, it doesn't matter. You should ask a developer to do something they believe is wrong.

Without Homebrew, there would be no piracy. In order to enable homebrew, you also enable piracy

Ray Lewis · Jun 10, 2013

It is piracy of Nintendo content, systems via emulation, and hacking systems in general. The guy above mentioned sociopathic behavior. Call it hypocrisy as the evidence is overwhelming. Then point out like 3ds, a handful get full hacks and control, probably pirating also.

Nothing short of full control for others outside of these groups makes sense. In another thread a guy asked if I could reply without bashing Wii U scene. Until devs share and stop bragging or showing what they did, no, how does the bragging help a scene to grow?

Some sociopathic tendencies but outright hypocrisy is the best diagnosis. DSM 5 eliminates asbergers syndrome, and great to have opinions even if people dislike them.

EDIT: for the guy who said he has asberger's syndrome. Last I heard your asberger's would not be considered on autism spectrum. Side note but still, you have a right to express your opinions and at least you gave reasons for each point for a sociopath, lmfao. I see others note hypocrisy also.

air2004 · Jun 10, 2013

If it wasn't for what people call piracy the PC revolution might never have taken off , right Steve and Bill.

WiiUBricker · Jun 10, 2013

SifJar said:
Piracy is a moral issue (and legal issue), the EULA is only a quasi-legal issue with no moral connection (for many people). I have a problem with piracy,

If you have a problem with piracy why did you admit of having downloaded roms and said you will continue to download roms? Piracy doesn't care if you own a physical copy.

SifJar · Jun 10, 2013

WiiUBricker said:
If you have a problem with piracy why did you admit of having downloaded roms and said you will continue to download roms? Piracy doesn't care if you own a physical copy.

Seriously? Again? I am almost certain I have explained this to you before: I don't care about the legalities. I care about the morals. I don't give a crap if technically it is illegal to download a ROM I own the game of, my morals have no problem with it. They have a problem with downloading a ROM or an ISO of a game I do not own. Again, I am certain I have explained this to you before. More over, it has nothing to do with this thread.

If for some reason (which I truly cannot fathom) you feel like debating my personal morals more, PM me, I won't be responding in this thread again.

WiiUBricker · Jun 10, 2013

SifJar said:
Seriously? Again? I am almost certain I have explained this to you before: I don't care about the legalities. I care about the morals. I don't give a crap if technically it is illegal to download a ROM I own the game of, my morals have no problem with it. They have a problem with downloading a ROM or an ISO of a game I do not own. Again, I am certain I have explained this to you before. More over, it has nothing to do with this thread.

If you did, I apologize but I don't really remember. It's just the blatant contradiction you can see when you claim in your user title that you are not a pirate, but publicely admitted that you pirate roms, which effectively makes you a pirate. Again, piracy doesn't care if you own a physical copy and it most certainly doesn't care about morals.

Ray Lewis · Jun 10, 2013

SifJar said:
Seriously? Again? I am almost certain I have explained this to you before: I don't care about the legalities. I care about the morals. I don't give a crap if technically it is illegal to download a ROM I own the game of, my morals have no problem with it. They have a problem with downloading a ROM or an ISO of a game I do not own. Again, I am certain I have explained this to you before. More over, it has nothing to do with this thread.

If for some reason (which I truly cannot fathom) you feel like debating my personal morals more, PM me, I won't be responding in this thread again.

What is your position on stealing unlicensed code/property from Nintendo? How do your morals apply there? How do your morals apply to reversing a system and pirating an ENTIRE system with emulators? The roms you use were not intended to be used hence the cartridge forms. You can only play those roms on, wait for it......pirated software Nintendo does not license. No offense sifjar, but you and other "moral" types really are on a "mega" slippery slope.

Edit: thanks for sharing though, really.

Rydian · Jun 10, 2013

Ray...

1 - Piracy is not theft.

2 - Emulators are custom code. For emulators of systems that had/have no actual OS (SNES, DS, etc.) it's fine on it's own since there's no actual copyrighted "code" in the system. For emulating systems that do have an OS or at least a library of calls, that's when either you need the BIOS (and it's not distributed with the emulator) like the PS2 and such, or generally it's so simple that it can be recreated with custom code, such as in the GBA (VGA needs no BIOS since it re-implements all the calls) or the Wii (same deal, no actual OS, has calls but they're re-done).

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