The Gaza Invasion Escalates

Foxi4 · Nov 16, 2012

crystal107 said:
Oh it's easy, for starters, try to watch that news edition, with the fat guy who is being ganged by 3 other reporters, who hold a negative opinion, trying to present facts that don't agree with their opinions, try to listen and watch carefully, tell me if they even care to listen to what he has to say that they don't know... please, watch that, if you gonna tell me they actually tried to listen and weren't ganging on him , then I'm out of this argument.

He was from the Zionist Organisation of America, what kind of objectivity are you even expecting from him? News flash - he's going to defend Israel to the last drop of his blood - he's a Zionist. It's the equivalent of asking an NRA member about his or her opinions on hunting for crying out loud.

For your information, Zionism is considered by many to be in fact a form of racism, and I certainly don't feel in the mood to listen to him either, although I will just for your convenience - I'm sure he'll have a whole lot of Strawman's for me to enjoy.

Valwin · Nov 17, 2012

so will other arab nations join the conflict ?

Foxi4 · Nov 17, 2012

Valwin said:
so will other arab nations join the conflict ?

Here's for hoping that they won't and that the conflict can be quenched in a matter of days. We don't want another Arab-Israeli war - that's for sure.

crystal107 · Nov 17, 2012

Foxi4 said:
He was from the Zionist Organisation of America, what kind of objectivity are you even expecting from him? News flash - he's going to defend Israel to the last drop of his blood - he's a Zionist. It's the equivalent of asking an NRA member about his or her opinions on hunting for crying out loud.

For your information, Zionism is considered by many to be in fact a form of racism, and I certainly don't feel in the mood to listen to him either, although I will just for your convenience - I'm sure he'll have a whole lot of Strawman's for me to enjoy.

Look, all I'm saying is, yes, mass opinions can be wrong, why you think world war 2 happened? a lot of people were killed based on RELIGION and racism with a huge public support... so don't you tell me there's no way in the world israel is being discriminated for the wrong reasons.

If you don't support what he has to say, I can understand, though, who could present the facts of what's going on here other than people who actually live here? I wonder...
Also, I do agree it's sad they chose a religious person to support Israel.. again, seems like they are trying to make Israel look bad, even if you don't think there's a propaganda going on, this news cast kinda screams it.

Just for the record, I personally hate religion, am against the whole idea, and I wish religions were none existent, but I know for a fact, that people hate based on those things, and there's nothing to do other than protecting the only safe place left.

Foxi4 · Nov 17, 2012

crystal107 said:
Look, all I'm saying is, yes, mass opinions can be wrong, why you think world war 2 happened? a lot of people were killed based on RELIGION and racism with a huge public support... so don't you tell me there's no way in the world israel is being discriminated for the wrong reasons.

Your knowledge about WWII appears to be very limited. Religion and ethnicity was a pretense Hitler used in his political campaign - a ploy. Germany was in an incredibly bad financial situation and embargos, limitations and post-WWI reparations imposed on the country made it unable to properly re-structure. At the time, Jews were, for the most part, running loan banks as well as pawn shops and were often accused of usury - the tension between Germans and Jews did not start with Hitler, they were hated before as people believed they were making business on their misfortune, as pawn brokers and loansharks do. Hitler knew that if he chooses to make anti-semitism a part of his propaganda, in conjunction with a promise of a better future due to completely ignoring the limitations imposed on Germany, creating the third reich and returning Germany to its former glory, he will rapidly gain the support of the populace. It's uncertain and quite disputable whether he was an anti-semite or not - in fact, he had plenty of Jewish friends in his younger days and there's strong evidence of that. His anti-semitism surfaced much later, and reached its peak after he went insane - he was simply well-aware that this kind of an ideology will put him in power, and as a politician extrodenaire, he seized this opportunity. World War II was anything but about religion - it was about power. Germans wanted to "find the people responsible for their hardships" and "It's the Jew's fault!" simply fell on fertile ground.

If you don't support what he has to say, I can understand, though, who could present the facts of what's going on here other than people who actually live here? I wonder...

I think you missed the part where he's located in America. The British correspondent whom you quickly ignored is actually in Gaza as we speak. According to your logic, his account is more accurate.

Also, I do agree it's sad they chose a religious person to support Israel.. again, seems like they are trying to make Israel look bad, even if you don't think there's a propaganda going on, this news cast kinda screams it.

Zionism has many faces - the core belief is simply propagating the Jewish culural identity, but it rarely ends there. There's nothing in this video that would suggest that this is a religious man, and even if it was, I would not discriminate him for his religion - I wouldn't pay attention to him because Zionism is the extreme opposite of anti-semitism - it's putting Jews above other nations for contrived reasons, for example the fact that they're "the chosen nation".

Just for the record, I personally hate religion, am against the whole idea, and I wish religions were none existent, but I know for a fact, that people hate based on those things, and there's nothing to do other than protecting the only safe place left.

I'm fully aware that people can hate others based on religion or ethnicity and I fully support defending one's homeland againts enemy incursion - what I do not support is Israel's clearly injust and transparent agenda againts Arabs.

BlueStar · Nov 17, 2012

dickfour said:
I'm going to support the side that doesn't treat women like garbage,

Which side are you talking about again? The ones that have extremists that attack and harras girls for going to school? Who assault, spit at and threaten women for dressing 'immodestly'? You'll have to narrow it down as bit.

http://content.usatoday.com/communi...-ultra-orthodox-jews-in-israel/1#.UKdPh2ee7S0

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-15237018

you know throw acid in little girls faces for looking at boys.

I can't find any examples of this happening in Palestine. I presume you're talking about this case in Pakistan, which I guess means when you're talking about 'sides' you mean that you'll just side against Muslims in general in every given dispute and hold everyone in Gaza responsible for a crime that happened 2000 miles away.

I'll support the side that doesn't kill homosexuals.

Ah, yes, Pinkwashing. Glad to see you got the memo to try that tactic.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/23/o...-israels-use-of-gays-as-a-messaging-tool.html

BlueStar · Nov 17, 2012

The IDF have sure been doing a lot of 'defending' over the years

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WingsOfTheButter · Nov 17, 2012

crystal107 my friend it's just not worth your nerve they already made up their mind like the rest of the world that Israel is the "big bad wolf", I thought that maybe if I try a more considered approach maybe they will understand but "surprise" they just don't get it, it's so easy to judge someone while you are sitting comfortably in your warm cozy home and get feed up by the media (who keep "forgetting" that the coin have two sides), I wish for all of you to suffer what we, the Israelis civilians suffer, also I'm taking back my words "I'm glad to see that you don't jump into conclusions" because you are not only jumping on them you are flying in top speed, - I'm outta here bye -

Foxi4 · Nov 17, 2012

BlueStar, I'm lovin' that post - I knew that Israel annexed or occupied quite a lot of land throughout the years, but I never bothered checking how much exactly. Great reference picture!

Yes, WingsOfTheButter, nobody understands but you guys etc. etc., you're cause is noble and whatnot, we all have to grow up, blah blah blah...

Look, we're analyzing facts here - you may or may not like our conclusions, but that's the truth. You say we're manipulated by massmedia, I say you're manipulated by your government and put a blind eye on many injustices in your own back yard.

BobTheJoeBob · Nov 17, 2012

BlueStar said:
The IDF have sure been doing a lot of 'defending' over the years
*Snip*

What do the grey areas on the map represent?

mad_gamer_jad · Nov 17, 2012

I have a feeling that whenever a discussion about Israel starts, I cannot participate because I know it's an extremely sensitive subject to me and I'll probably end up sounding biased.
However, I just wanted to say to those who argue that you have to be in Israel to know what's going on, it can go both ways

BlueStar · Nov 17, 2012

BobTheJoeBob said:
What do the grey areas on the map represent?

It shows the parts inside the original UN borders which have been taken over by Israeli settlers

Glyptofane · Nov 17, 2012

BlueStar said:
It shows the parts inside the original UN borders which have been taken over by Israeli settlers

Illegal settlements.

Valwin · Nov 17, 2012

what bluestar fails to mention that most of the extra land was WON by the law of war if someone declares war on you and you kick their asses you can get land also they fail to mention that Jordan annexe the west bank while Egypt took gaza and while in control they never let the Palestinians become a nation but as also iit haves become clear what foxi4 s doing he lives all the way in Poland so he know nothing of wich he speaks

Glyptofane · Nov 17, 2012

Valwin said:
what bluestar fails to mention that most of the extra land was WON by the law of war if someone declares war on you and you kick their asses you can get land also they fail to mention that Jordan annexe the west bank while Egypt took gaza and while in control they never let the Palestinians become a nation but as also iit haves become clear what foxi4 s doing he lives all the way in Poland so he know nothing of wich he speaks

A large plot in the events leading up to and including WWI and II was essentially to topple the Ottoman Empire in order to establish the fake terror state of Israel. It wasn't worth it and still isn't justified even as facts on the ground today. As the UK and US empires rot, autonomy will eventually be restored to the rightful and indigenous people of Palestine.

Also, many modern Israelis are Polish including their demonic prime minister Netanyahu (nee: Milikowski), so foxi4 has as much say as anyone in this.

BlueStar · Nov 17, 2012

Valwin said:
what bluestar fails to mention that most of the extra land was WON by the law of war if someone declares war on you and you kick their asses you can get land also they fail to mention that Jordan annexe the west bank while Egypt took gaza and while in control they never let the Palestinians become a nation but as also iit haves become clear what foxi4 s doing he lives all the way in Poland so he know nothing of wich he speaks

So I guess if a group of Muslim states declare war on Israel, blow the hell out of it and take it over, they're rightfully entitled to it, no takesies backsies?

Valwin · Nov 17, 2012

clownb said:
A large plot in the events leading up to and including WWI and II was essentially to topple the Ottoman Empire in order to establish the fake terror state of Israel. It wasn't worth it and still isn't justified even as facts on the ground today. As the UK and US empires rot, autonomy will eventually be restored to the rightful and indigenous people of Palestine.

terror state of israel UK and US empires wtf am I reading

So you're one of those socialist communist that love those ideals but some reason live in a capitalist country yea seem legit hhahaahahah sure is easy been communist in capitalist country

Valwin · Nov 17, 2012

BlueStar said:
So I guess if a group of Muslim states declare war on Israel, blow the hell out of it and take it over, they're rightfully entitled to it, no takesies backsies?

as I said Israel didn't declare war; they defended and the losers got to pay for it

but if country A declares war on country b country who was defending and B wins you can take land e war ect look what happened to the Japanese empire they lost everything

Glyptofane · Nov 17, 2012

Valwin said:
terror state of israel UK and US empires wtf am i reading

So you're one of those socialist communist that love those ideals but some reason live in a capitalist country yea seem legit hhahaahahah sure is easy been communist in capitalist country

I am a libertarian constitutionalist.

Valwin said:
as I said Israel didn't declare war; they defended and the losers got to pay for it

but if country A declares war on country b country who was defending and B wins you can take land e war ect look what happened to the Japanese empire they lost everything

The pretext of self defense is a fantasy considering Israel is a force of invading foreigners.

Valwin · Nov 17, 2012

clownb said:
I am a libertarian constitutionalist.

The pretext of self defense is a fantasy considering Israel is a force of invading foreigners.

Israel didn't declare war on anyone

you need to start looking for info yourself and stop letting people give you fake ideas

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