Hamas gunmen from Gaza battle Egyptian forces in Sinai

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F-16 fighter jets swoop low over protesters​
The Mubarak regimesent two F-16 fighter jets and helicopters in repeated low-flying passes over the tens of thousands of protesters massed in Cairo's Tahrir Square Sunday, Jan. 30, the sixth day of the anti-government protest. This latest, most dramatic attempt to break up the anti-government protest only added to the rage of the crowd who refused to disperse and called for Mubarak and his new Vice President, Gen. Omar Suleiman to go right now.

At the entrance to the square, protesters blocked the path of a dozen battle tanks attempting to assert control over central Cairo by sitting and lying down in front of them. The result was a standoff. The army has thrown up barricades around the square and imposed restrictions on movements, but has not used violence against the protesters.

It is not clear if sending the fighter jets to intimidate the protesters was decided with the army generals when Mubarak visited them at army headquarters earlier Sunday or a unilateral decision by the Air Force chiefs, who remain loyal to the president, himself a former air force chief and pilot.
The US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, in a change of tone from her last statement 48 hours ago, called for an "orderly transition to democratic rule in Egypt." She also denied there had been any discussion of the cut-off of aid to the embattled country.

Around the city, neighborhoods have got together to protect their homes and property against looters and criminal gangs roaming the streets. The police have melted away and the vast city is in chaos. Disruptions and protests continue in other Egyptian cities.

debkafile reported earlier Sunday:

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Hamas opens Palestinian front against Egyptian regime​

Gunmen of Hamas's armed wing, Ezz e-Din al Qassam, crossed from Gaza into northern Sinai Sunday, Jan. 30 to attack Egyptian forces and push them back. They acted on orders from Hamas' parent organization, the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood, confirmed by its bosses in Damascus, to open a second, Palestinian front against the Mubarak regime. The Muslim Brotherhood is therefore more active in the uprising than it would appear.

debkafile's military sources report that Hamas gunmen went straight into battle with Egyptian Interior Ministry special forces (CFF) in the southern Egyptian-controlled section of the border town of Rafah and the Sinai port of El Arish. Saturday, Bedouin tribesmen and local Palestinians used the mayhem in Cairo to clash with Egyptian forces at both northern Sinai key points and ransack their gun stores.

Sunday, Hamas terrorists aim to follow this up by pushing Egyptian forces out of the northern and central regions of the peninsula and so bring Egypt's border with the Gaza Strip under Palestinian control. Hamas would then be able to break out of the Egyptian blockade of the enclave and restore its smuggling routes in full. Officials in Gaza City confirmed Sunday that Hamas's most notorious smuggling experts, including Muhammad Shaar, had broken out of the El Arish jail Saturday and were heading for Gaza City.
Our military sources further report that the Multinational Force & Observers (MFO), most of whose members are Americans and Canadians, are on maximum alert at their northern Sinai base, while they wait for US military transports to evacuate them to US bases in Europe.

This force was deployed in Sinai in 1981 for peacekeeping responsibilities and the supervision of the security provisions of the 1979 Peace Treaty between Egypt and Israel under which the peninsula was demilitarized except for Egyptian police. Ending the MFO's mission in Sinai after thirty years knocks down a key pillar propping up the treaty peace between Egypt and Israel.

Early Sunday, the Egyptian army quietly began transferring armored reinforcements including tanks through the tunnels under the Suez from Egypt proper eastward to northern Sinai in effort to drive the Hamas forces back. The Egyptian troop presence in Sinai, which violates the terms of the peace treaty, has not been mentioned by either of the peace partners. Our Jerusalem sources report the Netanyahu government may have tacitly approved it.

Hamas' Gaza leaders do not seem to fear Israel will resort to military or even air action to interfere with their incursion of Sinai, although it brings their armed units within easy reach of the long Egyptian border with Israel.
In central Cairo, thousands of protesters gathered Sunday morning, some having camped there overnight in defiance of the curfew. Their chants were different in two important senses from the slogans dominating the first five days of their protest. Now they are calling for both President Hosni Mubarak and his newly-appointed Vice President Gen. Omar Suleiman to resign, branding them "American agents." Secondly, Islamic elements are more conspicuous among the crowd collecting in central Cairo Sunday.

Thousands of political prisoners, Islamic extremists and criminals are on the loose having reportedly escaped jails in the Cairo area.

The United States is preparing to evacuate citizens. The Embassy in Cairo advised all Americans to consider leaving the country as soon as possible. Ankara is sending planes to carry Turkish citizens out of the country. Saturday, the Israeli airline El Al sent a special flight to Cairo for families of embassy staff. The diplomats remain in place.
In Jerusalem, Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu updated the weekly cabinet session on his conversations overnight with President Barak Obama and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton on the Egyptian crisis.
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QUOTEEgyptian reinforcements reached northern Sinai Monday, Jan. 31 to hunt down Hamas gunmen from the Gaza Strip battling Egyptian forces for control of the territory. Two were captured. debkafile's military sources report that the gunmen of Hamas's armed wing, Ezz e-Din al Qassam opened a second, Palestinian, front against the Mubarak regime on orders from Hamas' parent organization, the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood, confirmed by its bosses in Damascus. The Muslim Brotherhood is therefore more aggressively involved in the uprising than it would seem.

debkafile's military sources report that Sunday, Hamas gunmen attacked Egyptian Interior Ministry Special Forces (CFF) stationed in the southern Egyptian-controlled section of the border town of Rafah and the Sinai port of El Arish. Saturday, Bedouin tribesmen and local Palestinians exploited the mayhem in Cairo to clash with Egyptian forces at both northern Sinai key points, ransack their gun stores and free prisoners from the local jail. Officials in Gaza City confirmed Sunday, that Hamas's most notorious smuggling experts, including Muhammad Shaar, had broken out of the El Arish jail and reached Gaza City.

Sunday, Hamas terrorists aimed to start pushing Egyptian forces out of the northern and central regions of the peninsula and so bring Egypt's border with the Gaza Strip under Palestinian control. Hamas would then be able to break out of the Egyptian blockade of the enclave and restore its smuggling routes in full. The reinforcements from Cairo Monday were instructed to drive them back into the Gaza Strip. Early Sunday, they began moving east through the tunnels under the Suez.

Our military sources further report that the Multinational Force & Observers (MFO), most of whose members are Americans and Canadians, are on maximum alert at their northern Sinai base, while they wait for US military transports to evacuate them to US bases in Europe.

This force was deployed in Sinai in 1981 for peacekeeping responsibilities and the supervision of the security provisions of the 1979 Peace Treaty between Egypt and Israel under which the peninsula was demilitarized except for Egyptian police. Ending the MFO's mission in Sinai after thirty years knocks down a key pillar propping up the relations of peace between Egypt and Israel.

The Egyptian troop presence in Sinai, which violates the terms of the peace treaty, has not been mentioned by either of the peace partners. Our Jerusalem sources report the Netanyahu government may have tacitly approved it.

Hamas' Gaza leaders do not seem to fear Israeli military action – or even an air attack - to interfere with their incursion of Sinai and attempts to control the long Egyptian-Israeli border snaking south of the Gaza Strip along the Negev up to the Red Sea port of Eilat.

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EDIT: Ignore me. Idiot moment.

it's ok, I looked at it and thought they either completely removed the article, or moved it. I went and looked around and noticed they just updated/added more information to the article. I am going to update my post now.
 

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Problem is right now, it's pretty impossible to know who to trust on the news front. I don't know which news groups from that part of the world are good or not. I might, right now, be reading Fox News's views on Obama and be thinking it is fair and balanced.
 

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Problem is right now, it's pretty impossible to know who to trust on the news front. I don't know which news groups from that part of the world are good or not. I might, right now, be reading Fox News's views on Obama and be thinking it is fair and balanced.

I understand where your coming from, and truly.. it's completely up to you who you want to trust.
The source I have chosen on this matter, where the first to report on stuxnet, and the cause of Israeli forest fire. They where also correct when they reported about OBL's plans to attack the united states in 2001.\

there are other things, but I just wanted to list a few, I just wanted to list why I follow there news, and trust them.
 

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The Living Shadow said:
there are other things, but I just wanted to list a few, I just wanted to list why I follow there news, and trust them.

Just pointing out I'm having to go on trust before I say this.

Oh shit, things are taking a turn for the worse and been hijacked by a bunch of loonies. If the people are not careful they will just end up replacing one bunch of tyrannical despots with another.
 

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cwstjdenobs said:
The Living Shadow said:
there are other things, but I just wanted to list a few, I just wanted to list why I follow there news, and trust them.

Just pointing out I'm having to go on trust before I say this.

Oh shit, things are taking a turn for the worse and been hijacked by a bunch of loonies. If the people are not careful they will just end up replacing one bunch of tyrannical despots with another.


sure, well go w/ that.
 

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So this is the reason why Israel isn't helping Egypt out?! The peace treaty that was made doesn't make it concrete when there's an uproar in Cairo. The United States need to stop being Superman! We have far too many issues that aren't being dealt with inside this country, right now. Just adding more problems doesn't make the old problems go away!
 

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So this is the reason why Israel isn't helping Egypt out?! The peace treaty that was made doesn't make it concrete when there's an uproar in Cairo. The United States need to stop being Superman! We have far too many issues that aren't being dealt with inside this country, right now. Just adding more problems doesn't make the old problems go away!

I hear you loud and clear, this has been in the works for a while though, since at least 2008. isn't it funny how our politicians work? creating trouble for the opposite wing to try to get back into power? it's sickening, and I for one am sick and tired of all of this poison politic!
 

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The reason why the Hamas are joining against this revolution because Egypt recognizes Israel.

Except the only problem with this revolt that the DOW went down because the Suez canal is one of the largest centers of world wide trade
 

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I trust in Tunisian democracy, they are since a long time laicistic (like Turkey), they are western orientated, and they have a wide, enlightened, very good educated and open minded middle class.
On the other side, Egypt doesn't have a wide middle class and most people are very religious or/and poor.
If u compare the Tunisian and the Egypt protesters, you will see that over 60% were women without headscarf in Tunisia, but in Egypt u will just see around 5-10% and mostly headscarf or completely covert.

Thats why I don't trust in this democracy thing in Egypt! Freedom is important, but for which Price?
Mubarak might be a dictator and army man, but what will the new Government make better? If they get the Sharia(Islamic law), Tourist will not come anymore (60% of the economy) and even if not, changes will be not very significant, its a poor country without a lot of industry.
 

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one of the reasons i think it is poor is it is under external pressure, let it be free and the results will be seen as the ppl's interests will be observed
if it remains poor, atleast the ppl will be happy... what more do u want
 

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shakirmoledina said:
one of the reasons i think it is poor is it is under external pressure, let it be free and the results will be seen as the ppl's interests will be observed
if it remains poor, atleast the ppl will be happy... what more do u want

People's happiness can't be gained without sacrifice. You're looking at the society and tradition that made it for what it is today. Sure the 30 year-old ruler has been a dictator for a long while. It won't break the cycle of anger and bitterness that those people had brewed inside their minds all these years. If America want to do something about it, leave them alone and let nature takes it course.

Screw the independant movement, Egypt as a country has to realize their problems aren't the only issues we as a whole (This World) right now. It just an outcry for the citizens to feel democratic for their beliefs. If what they believe is true, as far as democracy goes. Then how come Israel isn't backing them up on this one? Fishy isn't it?!
 

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