Hacking 3.4 and recent updates

requiem4d · Nov 22, 2008

We're interested in creating an ehci stack as well, but we want to implement it in a way that's not going to make the pirates' lives easier. The SoftChip platform is about so much more than playing backups, and I just don't see any use (other than a media player, as svpe stated) of an ehci module except for a piracy platform.

Call us "landlubbers."

Slimmmmmm · Nov 22, 2008

I think this thread is funny

Shame we only get so many good coders all together at the same time to argue.

McHaggis · Nov 22, 2008

svpe said:
McHaggis said:

svpe talks about USB 2 as if TT is purposely avoiding it because you're worried that we'll see a USB 2.0 loader. Is it really a good idea to let homebrew suffer because of this?

er, no. I just said that if we ever make usb2 work pirates won't be able to abuse it for their warez needs with our current idea. usb2 actually requires writing or porting a full ehci stack which is just very boring and won't help homebrew that much. I can only think of one application that might need it (media players).
We're not avoiding it. We're just not working on it. I'm pretty sure we already told many times at which memory address the ehci registers are so everyone can just get the ehci specifications and start writing code for it.

Sorry, I must have misunderstood your point, although I only said USB2 just as an example. Besides, DVD support only really benefited media players and piracy, right?

QUOTE(requiem4d @ Nov 22 2008, 12:49 PM)

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We're interested in creating an ehci stack as well, but we want to implement it in a way that's not going to make the pirates' lives easier. The SoftChip platform is about so much more than playing backups, and I just don't see any use (other than a media player, as svpe stated) of an ehci module except for a piracy platform.

Call us "landlubbers."

I've seen you say that a few times, as I understand it SoftChip is about its coders also learning more about the Wii, but why start with a backup loader? Also, the goals and wishlist on the project's google code page pretty much say that it's not about much more than playing backups. Not a dig, just an observation.

Phratt · Nov 22, 2008

I respect your loathing of piracy but in all seriousness, what does one do with homebrew if one can't pirate? make their wii into a calculator? Oh wait, thats also pirating to an extent....

To use homebrew and not pirate, would render useless:

1) Emulators and ROMs, including but not limited to GBA, SNES, Calculators, PC's, Web browsers, and other things.

2)Back up loaders (downloading any back up anywhere, is still illegal despite this tax you pay, because if you read any FBI warning It says not to copy any disc and redistribute them)

3)Movies, tv shows and other things, because as I said, the FBI warning, people are still defiling that warning when they copy it and redistribute it.

4)Any tampering with Nintendo's console the makes it perform a function it was not made to do. Why? Because no matter what, a Nintendo Wii would still be a Nintendo Wii, meaning if you don't drastically change the designs you're slabbing your name on nintendos work, which is illegal (so Savemii? You can be arrested).

5) Any custom firmwares, patches, or moddings of the Wii without permission of nintendo that are sold, because once again You basing your work on someone elses hard work, and putting your name on it. If anyone sells any homebrew item, its 100% illegal and they can see a long ass time in jail.

And many mores shit.

I'd guess the most one can do with homebrew without being a pirate, theif or a dishonorable citizen, is uhh...I can't think of anything... I'll get back to you on that.

Also since he doesn't like us using it against his will, but he can use nintendos against their will, maybe he's telling us that if you want something done, we have to find a way to decrypt his work and mod it to our liking. Seems awesome to me...

djdynamite123 · Nov 22, 2008

QUOTE said:
QUOTE said:

svpe talks about USB 2 as if TT is purposely avoiding it because you're worried that we'll see a USB 2.0 loader. Is it really a good idea to let homebrew suffer because of this?

QUOTEer, no. I just said that if we ever make usb2 work pirates won't be able to abuse it for their warez needs with our current idea. usb2 actually requires writing or porting a full ehci stack which is just very boring and won't help homebrew that much. I can only think of one application that might need it (media players).
We're not avoiding it. We're just not working on it. I'm pretty sure we already told many times at which memory address the ehci registers are so everyone can just get the ehci specifications and start writing code for it

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SVPE sounds just the ticket, it is only needed for media players (e.g. geexbox, and mplayerwii) as the USB 1.1 is bollox but if USB 2.0 was available they will become bigger projects......simple(usb, loaders would be hard, and wifi forget it).....some people are really ambitious over the wii

denzil · Nov 22, 2008

Phratt said:
I respect your loathing of piracy but in all seriousness, what does one do with homebrew if one can't pirate?You and the lot of people like you still don't get the point: Homebrew devs couldn't care less whether you pirate stuff or not (and as marcan previously said, we're no saints, all of us). But there is a distinct difference between making the personal choice to infringe copyright and being an accessory to every copyright infringement anyone else makes. Obviously even Requiem4D got that by now, even if it apparantly took him to make the deed to see how bad it is.

Also, I realize that you are not shy of grasping every straw within reach to justify piracy for yourself, but
QUOTE(Phratt @ Nov 22 2008, 04:12 PM) 4)Any tampering with Nintendo's console the makes it perform a function it was not made to do.

that argument will not become true no matter how often you repeat it.

Ghork · Nov 22, 2008

I just have to say a few things even though I didn't read this last page through.

First: If nintendo would have been a little smarter they would have released an update that could force-update first and with that update not doing any other harm lots of people would have updated cause they thought it was harmless but then got force-updated to 3.5.

Second: I, as many other people, pirate (in different measures).
If you compare pirating to the global warming it's pretty much the same, lots of people drives cars which pollutes the air, lots of people download illegaly... Why don't we stop? It doesn't cause enough damage. Not until they stop making games will we stop downloading illegally. If we stop now, who knows, maybe they'll lower the prices? If pirating really would have been as illegal as stealing other stuff why don't they put out people checking if people have pirated stuff? If you want to stop polluting stop driving don't just tell others to while you sell airpolluting machines...

Relys · Nov 22, 2008

I fall into both categories and I'm not panicking... (Well, I'm not really that clueless).

El-Grosso · Nov 22, 2008

I'm on 3.3E at the moment, but what's this I've been hearing about having to turn off WiiConnect24, and not going online with such games like Call of Duty? Won't it only auto update when I go to 3.4? Can someone perhaps clean this up for me?

NeoNight · Nov 22, 2008

To all coders I say bah piracy or no piracy who cares just code your programs to the best of your ability. Don't give your self headaches worrying about trying to screw over "pirates". Worry about nintendo stoping you from using the system to its full functionality. Believe it or not they consider "cutting a whole in their fence to see whats going on in their house" (homebrew) just as bad as "breaking open a window to "borrow" some of their goodies." (piracy)

Jacobeian · Nov 22, 2008

Phratt said:
I respect your loathing of piracy but in all seriousness, what does one do with homebrew if one can't pirate? make their wii into a calculator? Oh wait, thats also pirating to an extent....

To use homebrew and not pirate, would render useless:

1) Emulators and ROMs, including but not limited to GBA, SNES, Calculators, PC's, Web browsers, and other things.

2)Back up loaders (downloading any back up anywhere, is still illegal despite this tax you pay, because if you read any FBI warning It says not to copy any disc and redistribute them)

3)Movies, tv shows and other things, because as I said, the FBI warning, people are still defiling that warning when they copy it and redistribute it.

4)Any tampering with Nintendo's console the makes it perform a function it was not made to do. Why? Because no matter what, a Nintendo Wii would still be a Nintendo Wii, meaning if you don't drastically change the designs you're slabbing your name on nintendos work, which is illegal (so Savemii? You can be arrested).

5) Any custom firmwares, patches, or moddings of the Wii without permission of nintendo that are sold, because once again You basing your work on someone elses hard work, and putting your name on it. If anyone sells any homebrew item, its 100% illegal and they can see a long ass time in jail.

And many mores shit.

I'd guess the most one can do with homebrew without being a pirate, theif or a dishonorable citizen, is uhh...I can't think of anything... I'll get back to you on that.

Also since he doesn't like us using it against his will, but he can use nintendos against their will, maybe he's telling us that if you want something done, we have to find a way to decrypt his work and mod it to our liking. Seems awesome to me...

since you still didn't get it: they KNOW all of that and they don't CARE what you do with your homebrew, this is not a pro or anti piracy debate here

they just don't want their name to be associated with piracy, tand don't want to developp pirating tools, that's all

you do what you want with your wii, most of people are into pirating because it's easy,fun&free stuff without many risks , they however decided to have fun understanding how the wii software/hardware was working and running their own LEGAL stuff on the system... again, just for fun... and they even share their findings to a community

is it really so hard to understand ? or are you so blinded by your pile of burned DVD-R that you can not see any other reason to hack a system and can not understand that some people don't give a shit about piracy ?

Phratt · Nov 22, 2008

Jacobeian said:
Phratt said:

I respect your loathing of piracy but in all seriousness, what does one do with homebrew if one can't pirate? make their wii into a calculator? Oh wait, thats also pirating to an extent....

To use homebrew and not pirate, would render useless:

1) Emulators and ROMs, including but not limited to GBA, SNES, Calculators, PC's, Web browsers, and other things.

2)Back up loaders (downloading any back up anywhere, is still illegal despite this tax you pay, because if you read any FBI warning It says not to copy any disc and redistribute them)

3)Movies, tv shows and other things, because as I said, the FBI warning, people are still defiling that warning when they copy it and redistribute it.

4)Any tampering with Nintendo's console the makes it perform a function it was not made to do. Why? Because no matter what, a Nintendo Wii would still be a Nintendo Wii, meaning if you don't drastically change the designs you're slabbing your name on nintendos work, which is illegal (so Savemii? You can be arrested).

5) Any custom firmwares, patches, or moddings of the Wii without permission of nintendo that are sold, because once again You basing your work on someone elses hard work, and putting your name on it. If anyone sells any homebrew item, its 100% illegal and they can see a long ass time in jail.

And many mores shit.

I'd guess the most one can do with homebrew without being a pirate, theif or a dishonorable citizen, is uhh...I can't think of anything... I'll get back to you on that.

Also since he doesn't like us using it against his will, but he can use nintendos against their will, maybe he's telling us that if you want something done, we have to find a way to decrypt his work and mod it to our liking. Seems awesome to me...

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since you still didn't get it: they KNOW all of that and they don't CARE what you do with your homebrew, this is not a pro or anti piracy debate here

they just don't want their name to be associated with piracy, tand don't want to developp pirating tools, that's all

you do what you want with your wii, most of people are into pirating because it's easy,fun&free stuff without many risks , they however decided to have fun understanding how the wii software/hardware was working and running their own LEGAL stuff on the system... again, just for fun... and they even share their findings to a community

is it really so hard to understand ? or are you so blinded by your pile of burned DVD-R that you can not see any other reason to hack a system and can not understand that some people don't give a shit about piracy ?

Can you point to me where my pile of DVD-R's are?

Don't assume I'm some pirate crazy person without understanding, I was just saying You can't make homebrew, or use it without breaking laws close to or as sever as piracy. If you don't seem to understand that then i suggest you go study law.

denzil · Nov 22, 2008

Phratt said:
You can't make homebrew, or use it without breaking laws close to or as sever as piracy.

You are mistaken.

El-Grosso · Nov 22, 2008

El-Grosso said:
I'm on 3.3E at the moment, but what's this I've been hearing about having to turn off WiiConnect24, and not going online with such games like Call of Duty? Won't it only auto update when I go to 3.4? Can someone perhaps clean this up for me?

Can somebody perhaps answer my question.

I don't feel a question such as this deserves it's own thread.

Phratt · Nov 22, 2008

El-Grosso said:
El-Grosso said:

I'm on 3.3E at the moment, but what's this I've been hearing about having to turn off WiiConnect24, and not going online with such games like Call of Duty? Won't it only auto update when I go to 3.4? Can someone perhaps clean this up for me?

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Can somebody perhaps answer my question.

I don't feel a question such as this deserves it's own thread.

It won't auto update, just don't update when it asks. EVER.

ether2802 · Nov 22, 2008

If you have 3.3v2, there's a slightly chance it will auto-update, this is not confirmed of course, that's why I say SLIGHTLY (and I hope is right spelled XD)

Phratt · Nov 22, 2008

ether2802 said:
If you have 3.3v2, there's a slightly chance it will auto-update, this is not confirmed of course, that's why I say SLIGHTLY (and I hope is right spelled XD)

Nintendo, always has been able to and can auto-update any wii they want. You are never safe from that unless, boot mii is released before such an event.

DarkLG · Nov 22, 2008

But they can't update to automatically until your at 3.4 because that were they change the agreement thing.

Phratt · Nov 22, 2008

DarkLG said:
But they can't update to automatically until your at 3.4 because that were they change the agreement thing.

Once again, false. The old agreement was the same thing just reworded. They ALWAYS have been able to auto-upgrade, and They have, I forgot when, someone mentioned it before. Anyways, they've always been able to and can on any firmware.

DarkLG · Nov 22, 2008

they never updated me which is good.

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