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Nintendo: 30,000 illegal pirate devices seized so far in '08

Nintendo has told GamesIndustry.biz that it has so far this year seized almost 30,000 piracy devices which infringe company copyright.

The numbers come following Nintendo Japan's lawsuit, which with the help of 54 other publishers, aims to tackle the growing threat of DS piracy devices such as the R4 cartridge.

"Nintendo takes a global approach to piracy and has pursued the illegal game copying devices in 11 countries this past year," said the company in a statement.

"Nintendo has worked with enforcement officials in Belgium, China, Denmark, France, Hong Kong, Italy, Korea, Netherlands, Spain, UK, and the US, seizing close to 30,000 infringing game copying products, as well as taking actions against those distributors and manufacturers."

The notorious R4 chip is available to buy over the internet, and allows hacked code to be transferred easily onto the Nintendo DS and played via a cartridge and memory card.

"Nintendo and software manufacturers are suffering tremendous loss caused by the import and distribution of such devices," said the firm.

"Nintendo and software manufacturers have determined that the spread of such devices in the market would hinder sound growth and development of the entire computer game industry and will therefore continue to take strict legal measures against any game copying devices that operate like the R4."

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Nintendo files suit against five DS hacking firms

"Touching is good," but hacking? Not so much. Nintendo has gone on the war path against five Japanese companies that make their living helping users rip off DS games. Of course, a primary use for such hardware -- such as the R4 Revolution, pictured -- is homebrew and emulation, but good luck convincing Nintendo (or any large console manufacturer) of that. Details of the actual lawsuit are slim, but Nintendo has brought along with it 54 Japanese software makers to lend a bit of gravitas to the suit. If you haven't managed to hack your DS yet, now might be a good time to score the requisite hardware -- we might be facing a scarcity before too long.

http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/29/nintend...-hacking-firms/

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Well I don't think that this directly relates to this, but the Team Cyclops Forum is down, citing account suspention. Weird that with Nintendo going on the warpath about these types of cards that the forum would go down.... Anyone agree?


I guess Nintendo is finally taking action against flashcarts.

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Nintendo And 54 Companies Battle "Evil" R4 In Court

Nintendo has just announced that it and 54 game software companies are filing a lawsuit with the Tokyo District Court again "R4 Revolution for DS"-type devices, using the Unfair Competition Prevention Law as the legal grounding. Nintendo is asking for the cease of marketing, sales and importation of these Chinese-made devices. The R4 allows easy software piracy by fitting right into the DS's cartridge slot. Data is stored on a Micro SD and downloaded from websites via a flash drive, and the R4 has a small slot that the Micro SD card goes into. In a statement released today, Nintendo announced that these R4 devices "allow illegal uploading from the internet", adding that "it is causing severe damage to our company and software makers, and this is something that we cannot possibly overlook." In conclusion, Nintendo adds that such devices hurts the growth of the entire game industry and steps must be taken regarding the legality of R4 carts. It's important to note that this legal injunction is for Japan only.

Back in November 2007, Nintendo announced that it was "keeping a close eye on the products and studying them." Earlier this spring, Nintendo apparently pressured Akihabara retailers to stop carrying the popular R4 carts.

A list of some of the companies who along with Nintendo have filed in this suit.

Arc System Works
SNK
Capcom
Koei
Jaleco
Square Enix
Sega
Taito
Takara Tomy
Tecmo
Hudson
Bandai Namco Games
The Pokémon Company
Yukes
Level Five

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Shame,good thing I got my flashcarts while I did.


Does this mean nintendo's next handheld won't have flashcarts?

I mean,If Nintendo stopping them now for the DS,I presume they're gonna take even more action for they're next handheld.
 

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Stopping piracy is like cutting off a hydra's head. 3 more grow back where the first one was. I can also use the mythical phoenix bird as a reference here.

In other words, this won't do much.
 

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Damn them.
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http://tinyurl.com/6cjo3q
 

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They worked with enforcement officials in Belgium, China, Denmark, France, Hong Kong, Italy, Korea, Netherlands, Spain, UK, and the US.
Why in Belgium too? Cmon we're so small, take another country like Germany or Australia or someone else, but not us!
 

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Hmm. Now lets look at this real quick. Flash carts have been around for years. YEARS and years. Now Nintendo is trying to stop them. How many small/unknown companies have been putting out (yes, i know... shitty, but still) cards? I agree 110% with the "Hydra" analogy. This wont end. We'll see major companies being shut down... and that REALLY sucks.

But this will continue. There is no real threat to the Flash Cart community. This is just a speed bump.

However i also give a +1 to "...good thing I got my flashcarts while I did."
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lol this crap encourages people to buy more...ps: good thing I already have a m3dssimply,ak2,sc ds one!!!
MAYBE, IF COMPANIES LIKE R4 DIDNT ADVERTISE THE PART WHERE the r4 can play games (but it still could), then nintendo wouldnt be able to sue their asses
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Most/all Dutch webstores selling/installing Wii modchips and selling flashcarts had to stop because of a Nintendolawyer. It makes me sad.

I'm really glad I modded my Wii early and got some flashcards before the incident.

I can still import R4's, M3's and TTDS's from Germany however.
 

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"The Sky is Falling" - Henny Penny and BurlyEd.

Luckily I have 2 R4's, 2 DSTT's, an EDGE and a SCDS1.
Plus I have 2 (probably junk) "R4 Advances" on order from VolumeRate.
Plus 646 .nds files (>27GB) backed-up.
And I have 2 3in1's to use with NDS_Backup_Tool_3in1 for dumping retail carts or playing GBA games.

I am about as ready as I know how to be. Bring it on!

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fenthwick said:

lol i saw that earlier... but if nintendo stops the production... then this sales hike will create a drought. I'm not WORRIED about it, but it'll only spike for a short time until supply is killed. I still stand behind my idea of a flood of cheap cards coming from all directions... but still.
 

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After reading the first headline, about how many were confiscated, I kept remembering threads about people who accidentally sent in their modded Wiis...
 

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The only bad thing I can see is that if it goes through there is the potential to challenge sony vs betamax and sega vs accolade (two fundamental US court rulings a good chunk of the electronics industry is built on and both are somewhat under fire right now).

Wii chips (up to D2c anyhow) are basic programmable chips (the more advanced ones are nothing special either) and no place in the list lacks a route in (Japan + HK have mainland china and even Russia, Europe mainland has Russia, Scandinavia and various principalities/"states" not party to this), the UK has Scandinavia, the US has Canada, Antigua and Mexico.
Seriously hampering trade is not going to happen right now either (also if they can handle something as simple as drugs and people smuggling what possibly makes you think they can stop something the public is barely aware of much less comprehends).
This does not even mention the possibility of internal manufacture/assembly (I have dealt with a few electronics companies with arms all over the place and loose "morals")

Nearly every country I have every been in has electronics, computing and even reverse engineering courses (reverse engineering was part of a normal engineering degree for me and forensic engineering (almost the sanitised name for it) is also available at all levels) as well as extensive information available for nearly everyone.

I can not speak for anyone else (although I am sure several would echo my sentiments) but for as long as I breathe I will be playing this game.
 

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The horror, the horror.

Fuck Nintendo.

Yeah their DS is a great hand held. Yeah their Wii is a great console. I won't say they ain't.

But their software (if it has Nintendo on the box they are taking some of the credit for it) is often abominable.

Oh and don't respond with "well you don't have a gun aimed at your head being made to buy it".

I shouldn't have to deal with a product type that is SO rife with schlock, that the verdict is guilty until proven innocent.

I enjoyed buying Civilization Revolution, but it's very rare a game of that calibre is offered to us.

More often they try to suck us in with Paint DS which was nothing short of an offense.
Games like Command and Destroy which should have been a dozen times better.
And products like Aquarium DS soon followed by Fantasy Aquarium which was nothing more than shameless customer exploitation. They could have combined both into one game, but felt that getting twice the cash was more fun.

If it comes to pass that they release titles that need not about to happen firmware upgrades, I suppose the choice to buy, or not, will become harder to make.
Won't bother me. Most of the games released, that need firmware patches fall under 1 of 2 headings.
1. Shit that never should have seen the light of day, and why do you care that you can't play it, it's shit after all.
2. Games good enough you shouldn't mind buying them anyway.

Final Fantasy IV for instance. If you bitched about waiting and waiting and waiting because you wanted it so badly, why not just buy the f**king game, and stop worrying if your piracy product won't run it?

Don't wait for me to care if your useless level of income can't afford it.
Life sucks, you can't have everything.

It's really a bit too late for Nintendo though. Everyone that wants to have the capacity to use these flash carts, already has one.
And those that don't well suck it up, you'll just have to wait till the next cool tech device is invented.
 

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Eh, this news was already posted a few topics below this one. As for that topic, it addressed some of the points. Mainly that the Cyclo board going down is most likely a routine case of their site exceeding their bandwidth limits. They should be back up when their bandwidth period finishes in a few days.
 

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Pirates account for a small percentage of losses.The sales and profit generated from average joe public isnt even a comparison number.sooooo
I think nintendo is merley protecting thier investments and suppliers by coming up with some arbitrary number that really means..to be blunt.... means sweet fuck all to the bottom line. This is the important thing. Media hype is all. Reverse engineering is always going to prevail. A professor said it long ago. The introduction of the internet will kill copyright. It would seem this is true.
 

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