Hey all my question is I always reflow when I add thermal paste I do it often to prevent RROD figured if I do that I won't have problems it has worked for the most part but how long can you keep reflowing it? Does the solder expire ?
Reflow RROD
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Reflowing won't work forever. I'm not sure if it can expire?
But you need to do a reballing to make sure it's 100% fixed.
But you need to do a reballing to make sure it's 100% fixed.
Well my slim worked until I stopped using it. I know it isn't as common.
@DinohScene this is your area of expertise no?
Oof, heating up a board unnecessarily just because you want to replace paste.
I fear for the life span of every component in the area you've heated up.
I'd honestly say ditch it, get a decent Slim, RGH it and take gentle care of it.
Just a occasional dedusting would be plenty, you can enjoy it for a long time.
Good paste will laste for a decade on a console, honestly, if you'd repaste the current 360 now, chances are the caps will give out before the paste degrades.
As for the BGA, it'll develop tin whiskers at one point in time, this could be decades if you don't use it intensively but eventually it will, it's just the nature of alloy used in the balls.
In a sense, all 360s are doomed to die at one point but that won't really happen in your life span, if you look at it from that angle.
I fear for the life span of every component in the area you've heated up.
I'd honestly say ditch it, get a decent Slim, RGH it and take gentle care of it.
Just a occasional dedusting would be plenty, you can enjoy it for a long time.
Good paste will laste for a decade on a console, honestly, if you'd repaste the current 360 now, chances are the caps will give out before the paste degrades.
As for the BGA, it'll develop tin whiskers at one point in time, this could be decades if you don't use it intensively but eventually it will, it's just the nature of alloy used in the balls.
In a sense, all 360s are doomed to die at one point but that won't really happen in your life span, if you look at it from that angle.
Wll
Well from what you just said as long as im alive I will always have a working 360 lol thanks
The solder won't "expire" per say but unnecessary heating to high temps and cooling will eventually cause it to corrode and weaken which will eventually lead to the dreaded RROD. Leaded solder is better with a reball and will generally last longer but eventually will suffer the same fate but this will usually take many more years depending on the quality of the reball.
Pretty much, if you get a Slim.Wll
Well from what you just said as long as im alive I will always have a working 360 lol thanks
Your current one.. As I said, I fear for the capacitors giving out, which means the entire board needs a recap.
Reflow or reball don't fix anything because it is not the solder balls under the BGA package that is failing, the true problem lies in the GPU itself. So to truly fix it, you need to replace the GPU, and make sure the new GPU you bought won't have this problem.
Finally someone with actual knowledge, problem is between silicon core and cpu pcb there is faulty solder, so no matter how many balls you replace it will ALWAYS fail later in console life PERIOD.
Issue is in the die and only applies to faulty GPUs. Early GPUs were the worst case of gpu flip chip bga issues. This is why some reballs lasted years and some days/weeks/months. I reballed thousands of 360s and ps3s years back.
Slim 360s are the best models. I remember very few 360's coming in for reball once they were being sold. They still get the red dot and other issues but still way better than Jaspers and earlier models.
At this point, I'd say that a reflow or reball isn't worth doing. You'd need a bga station to do either, and sending it to someone is not worth the cost.
So tell me how many is still alive ? You have no Idea ! Problem is with solder on early days as it did get oxidized not only on bga balls but as well on die substrate. All was fixed in later models that did not produced so much heat and lead free solder was much better .
I still have many of the same customers today and they always tell me how their system is still going. Thank you for repeating the info on here.
Someone made a compilation of 360 GPU part numbers, reliability and compatibility information.
https://xenonlibrary.com/index.php?title=Xenos
Source parts that are compatible with your particular board and are known to be reliable.
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