The situation in Ukraine...

[UltraDolphinRevolution]

You *just* said that if you had a Chinese wife, your half-Chinese child wouldn’t be considered truly Chinese

False. I said if I had children with e.g. a European and my children grew up in China (speaking Chinese, and enjoying Chinese culture), they still would not be Chinese.
A Kenyan does not become Dutch by living in the Netherlands. No matter his language ability. He could be absorped into Dutch society, including intermarriage and one day his lineage would be considered ethinically Dutch. This is what has been going on with Jewish converts. (except if you believe the Khazar narrative)

@smf: by religion (see your quote), not by ethnicity; Christian=religion; Jewish=ethnicity and/or religion

 

[UltraDolphinRevolution]

If you and several thousand other people did it & kept it going for a few generations & built your entire culture around it, then sure you'd be an ethnic minority.

Clarify the last part, please. I am already an ethnic minority in China (though my ethicity is not recognized). But I wouldn´t become Chinese.

 

[Foxi4]

False. I said if I had children with e.g. a European and my children grew up in China (speaking Chinese, and enjoying Chinese culture), they still would not be Chinese.
A Kenyan does not become Dutch by living in the Netherlands. No matter his language ability. He could be absorped into Dutch society, including intermarriage and one day his lineage would be considered ethinically Dutch. This is what has been going on with Jewish converts. (except if you believe the Khazar narrative)

@smf: by religion (see your quote), not by ethnicity; Christian=religion; Jewish=ethnicity and/or religion

Then you’ve totally confused me, because that’s what I understood from this exchange so far. You started with learning English, then moved on to having children - I assumed with the locals. Not that it matters anyway.

 

[djpannda]

Fascist say what?

 

[Xzi]

The ukrainian goverment is controlled by the Queen, George Soros and the international cabal.

LMAO okay kid. Add more tinfoil to your hat.

 

[Tomato123]

Despite the lies of the western media, russia is completely owning ukraine. Maoupul fell, Kievs next. I understand they have to keep pushing the lie that Putin is losing, as Russia being the victors is embarrasing to the Brandon administration, yet another failure of this trainwreck of a presidency, but that doesnt modify the truth. Ukraine will tumble. It doesnt mtter the amount of rocket launchers or blankets Brandon and his indian shiba harris dog sends. This is Crimea 2.0.

I don't know about anyone else, but the sources I read don't say Russia is losing. Just that their inability to actually penetrate some of Ukraine's defences is kinda pathetic for a military of their strength. They are breaking through, just a whole lot slower than they really should be. And the slower they are, the more time people/countries have to provide aid towards Ukraine. Russia blew their chance for a quick victory so the bodies are piling up. Just unnecessary bloodshed from Russia over a war they made up reasons to begin.

 

[Xzi]

I don't know about anyone else, but the sources I read don't say Russia is losing. Just that their inability to actually penetrate some of Ukraine's defences is kinda pathetic for a military of their strength. They are breaking through, just a whole lot slower than they really should be. And the slower they are, the more time people/countries have to provide aid towards Ukraine. Russia blew their chance for a quick victory so the bodies are piling up. Just unnecessary bloodshed from Russia over a war they made up reasons to begin.

This is correct. Russia has recently scaled back their goals from conquering all of Ukraine to instead just conquering parts of the East and South of it. But the tide is starting to turn even on those fronts, as more and more weapons shipments arrive in Ukraine. Russia is quickly running out of their own functional equipment and combat vehicles, and the stuff Ukraine is receiving is much newer/better engineered.

 

[yusuo]

Despite the lies of the western media, russia is completely owning ukraine. Maoupul fell, Kievs next. I understand they have to keep pushing the lie that Putin is losing, as Russia being the victors is embarrasing to the Brandon administration, yet another failure of this trainwreck of a presidency, but that doesnt modify the truth. Ukraine will tumble. It doesnt mtter the amount of rocket launchers or blankets Brandon and his indian shiba harris dog sends. This is Crimea 2.0.

Next up on stupid hillbilly gullible republican

 

[Coto]

Meanwhile United States/Europe governments doing nothing """"hoping to normalize"""" the Ukraine situation, our taxes are going directly into financing the russian meatgrinder, now taking place in Odesa:

 

[leon315]

it's nice to keep this topic warming, meanwhile Ukraine is under the fire&blood, anyone has any idea what is going on under the counter? Here we are :

 

[Xzi]

it's nice to keep this topic warming, meanwhile Ukraine is under the fire&blood, anyone has any idea what is going on under the counter? Here we are :

TLDW. Ukraine's significance to both the West and Russia can be explained in a couple sentences. Not only is the country a geographic buffer between Russia and the West/NATO, Ukraine has also traditionally been "the brains" of Russia for a long time. Virtually every newer warship and combat vehicle currently in use by the Russian military was manufactured in Ukraine, including the recently sunk Moskva. Ukraine is also a hub for technological innovation, to a far greater extent than Russia has ever been.

All that said, the war has now reached a point where the most Putin could possibly hope to capture is small portions of Eastern and Southern Ukraine. What's there? Oil and gas production/reserves. Putin is unsurprisingly becoming more short-sighted and small-minded as this invasion drags on and his failures pile up. Whatever pittance he could possibly sell Ukraine's gas for is not worth turning the whole of Ukraine against him for generations to come. They're of far greater strategic value as an ally than as an enemy.

The media angle in all of this is obvious, it's a world power invading their much smaller neighbor. You honestly think it wouldn't be the top story in international news if the US invaded Mexico? Even Afghanistan and Iraq were constantly in the news for years following our invasion.

 

[westward]

Jesus you're a real piece of work. Willing to convince yourself of anything so long as it allows you to justify playing the 'enlightened centrist.' Suffice it to say that if the current Ukrainian government was half as corrupt as you claim, the war never would've happened because Putin would've just bought them out.


Clearly not that bad though, or you wouldn't be shit talking their leaders who have stuck by them this whole time, throughout all the pain and suffering.

Nothing is black and white.

Their government is corrupt as it gets - Slavic leaders have said "corruption is unfortunately in our nature" probably due to the brutality of the USSR and the cold war in general, neither side was right IMO... Hunter Biden laptop confirmed after 2 years of denials from media. I don't think Joe should be blamed for the mistakes of his son, but if he was getting money from it, I don't like that. I am an independent voter and question everything politicans say in general..

When I was young, I never voted outside Democrat party for social issues, but I think awareness is there now and can't be stopped., however blaming a gun for killing someone, in my opinion, is like blaming a car for killing someone. And handguns are the real trouble statistically speaking. I'm also a hunter, I use ~$5 bullets because my worst nightmare is shooting a deerr or it to run off to die. I love animals but Deer are overpopulated where I live, and at least I'm not eating something killed in a slaughterhouse.. They are usually terrible conditions, but I'll do the work myself (could never shoot a cow TBH so I buy beef at the market. I'm unobservant Jewish because if you've read through a Talmud, you will read so much hate towards others and I feel sorry for those who think they are better than anyone else... my parents got kicked out of Temple when they fell on hard times, so there is that too, however they only went bc of the community they live in to start with.. they don't like how they talked about everyone but themselves as 'pawns' - their words. . FTR I think what Israelis do to Palestinians throwing rocks .. well I won't go too deep into this, more politics;; I think the Israelis have turned into what they hated most...

Back to Ukraine.. The mission goal of NATO upon forming was to 'maintain a fighting force to defeat the USSR'. The USSR no longer exists for 30 years, and NATO expands further and further. Noam Chomsky warned us of this...I disagree w/ many of his views, just like everyone does w/ each other.

l, I think all life is precious They banned the Russian language, and 1/3rd of the country speaks it. I don't like either leaders or souls being taken, but I beg of everyone, watch this documentary. Donbass (2016) on IMDB for more info. French mother of two who thought what you thought then went there. Most footage was taken right after the revolution. A French mother went there thinking exactly how you do, and she found just the opposite.. another side of the coin and horrific..


I respect your opinion, I just disagree.

Respectfully,
Westwald

 

[Xzi]

Nothing is black and white.

Their government is corrupt as it gets - Slavic leaders have said "corruption is unfortunately in our nature" probably due to the brutality of the USSR and the cold war in general, neither side was right IMO... Hunter Biden laptop confirmed after 2 years of denials from media. I don't think Joe should be blamed for the mistakes of his son, but if he was getting money from it, I don't like that. I am an independent voter and question everything politicans say in general..

Imperialism is as close to black and white as it gets. There's the invader and the invaded. In the context of the modern world, there's really only one time the invaders were doing it for the "right" reasons, and they specifically invaded a country that had invaded others first. I'm talking about WW2 of course.

Russia's government is as corrupt as it gets. Ukraine's government was in the process of weeding out corruption within their own ranks, and has even continued to do so during the war.

Back to Ukraine.. The mission goal of NATO upon forming was to 'maintain a fighting force to defeat the USSR'. The USSR no longer exists for 30 years, and NATO expands further and further. Noam Chomsky warned us of this...I disagree w/ many of his views, just like everyone does w/ each other.

Cool story, but NATO was not the aggressor here. History will forever mark that as Russia's title to bear in this conflict.

l, I think all life is precious They banned the Russian language, and 1/3rd of the country speaks it. I don't like either leaders or souls being taken, but I beg of everyone, watch this documentary. Donbass (2016) on IMDB for more info. French mother of two who thought what you thought then went there. Most footage was taken right after the revolution. A French mother went there thinking exactly how you do, and she found just the opposite.. another side of the coin and horrific..

I'm sure life has been very hard in pro-Russian parts of Ukraine during a time when Russia has constantly been threatening Ukraine's sovereignty. For every dark documentary you can dig up on Ukraine, however, I could probably show you five about Russia. For fuck's sake, they aren't even reporting their own dead back to the families, just following around the soldiers with mobile crematoriums. If they don't even care about their own, you know they wouldn't think twice about committing war crimes against any nation on Earth.

Whatever little humanity there might've once been inside of Vladimir Putin has long since dissipated. The hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians who have been forcibly relocated to Russia are going to be put through hell, assuming they aren't simply executed outright.

 

[UltraDolphinRevolution]

A retired German general compared the support for Ukraine to the Western encouragement vis-a-vis Poland before WW2. Danzing had a special status which Poland repeatedly violated. Hitler offered to suspend their claim on a border city between Poland, Germany and Czechoslovakia, but Poland was emboldened by Western countries to provoke Germany.

Western countries just love it when there is bloodshed in Eastern Europe. (my comment)

 

[Xzi]

A retired German general compared the support for Ukraine to the Western encouragement vis-a-vis Poland before WW2. Danzing had a special status which Poland repeatedly violated. Hitler offered to suspend their claim on a border city between Poland, Germany and Czechoslovakia, but Poland was emboldened by Western countries to provoke Germany.

Western countries just love it when there is bloodshed in Eastern Europe. (my comment)

LMAO man seriously just had the thought in his head, "I'm gonna compare Russia to the Third Reich, but in a positive way." There is no justifying Hitler's actions retroactively, and there is no justifying Adolf Putler's actions now.

 

[JoeBloggs777]

The Nazis and Soviet Union do have things in common, they both invaded Poland in September 1939.

not only that Putin uses the B/S that Hitler used in 1939, we've not forgotten the past, history repeating its self, just replace 'Russia' with 'Germany' and 'Poland' with 'Ukraine'

On September 1, 1939, Germany invaded Poland. To justify the action, Nazi propagandists accused Poland of persecuting ethnic Germans living in Poland. They also falsely claimed that Poland was planning, with its allies Great Britain and France, to encircle and dismember Germany

https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/invasion-of-poland-fall-1939#:~:text=Invasion and Partition of Poland,to encircle and dismember Germany.

 

[UltraDolphinRevolution]

The League of Nations recorded the countless illegal activities by the Polish government against Danzig.
Something does not become untrue if it is part of propaganda. Ukraine, the West and Russia are engaged in propaganda right now. Doesn´t mean every statement is false.

With regards to Poland and Germany: There was not too much but too little appeasement. Perhaps the war could have been avoided. However, Hitler (unlike some other figures in his party who he got killed) saw Eastern Europe as populated by subhumans. So, who knows...
This is view is still shared today. It is just expressed differently. E.g. recently on German TV (Markus Lanz, millions of viewers) a woman said Russians look European but they are not, they simply do not care about life as much as we do.
Hitler was willing to ruin his country to be part of the Germanic/Western world and kill those Eastern hordes, as Zelensky is today.

And as back then, the Angloamericans could sit back and laugh about wanna-be Westerners sacrificing themselves.

 

[Xzi]

However, Hitler (unlike some other figures in his party who he got killed) saw Eastern Europe as populated by subhumans. So, who knows...
This is view is still shared today.

No shit. Putin views both Ukrainians and lower-class Russians as subhumans.

Hitler was willing to ruin his country to be part of the Germanic/Western world and kill those Eastern hordes, as Zelensky is today.

And as back then, the Angloamericans could sit back and laugh about wanna-be Westerners sacrificing themselves.

Completely smooth-brained take, not only because it compares the invader to the invaded, but also because Hitler had no interest in buddying up to America. Nobody's laughing about what's happening in Ukraine except for perhaps the alt-right scum that lives in our sewers. And that's because they're on Putin's side and war crimes make them feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

 

[UltraDolphinRevolution]

Completely smooth-brained take, not only because it compares the invader to the invaded, but also because Hitler had no interest in buddying up to America. Nobody's laughing about what's happening in Ukraine except for perhaps the alt-right scum that lives in our sewers. And that's because they're on Putin's side.

Hitler didn´t want war with the Angloamericans. He respected them and looked up to them. He saw the Bolshevik revolution as the biggest threat, just like the Americans right after May 8th.

Angloamerican soldiers were treated better thatn East Europeans and Jews. It is a fact. If you think there is no racial element to this, you are sadly misinformed. There is a certain book you could read... something about struggle, you know?

 

[Xzi]

Hitler didn´t want war with the Angloamericans. He respected and looked up to them. He saw the Bolshevik revolution as the biggest threat, just like the Americans right after May 8th.

All Hitler wanted in the beginning was to get into art school, but that's ultimately irrelevant. He would've turned his attention to conquering the rest of the world after conquering Europe, given the chance. He was mad about the Japanese attacking Pearl Harbor not because they did it, but because of when they did it.

Angloamerican soldiers were treated better thatn East Europeans and Jews.

I can't imagine POW camps in Japan were too much fun, but this isn't a competition. There's no excuse for cheering for pain and suffering in Ukraine here and now.