Covid-19 vaccine

[subcon959]

They have less of an influence than Exxon Mobil, Chevron, Big Oil Companies, etc.

Source? Regardless, I think the influence of Pharm companies is more impactful on the average person. Unless of course you are one of the lucky ones that have never been infirmed, in which case I get the viewpoint (and am also envious).

 

[WG481]

Source? Regardless, I think the influence of Pharm companies is more impactful on the average person. Unless of course you are one of the lucky ones that have never been infirmed, in which case I get the viewpoint (and am also envious).

Oil companies put significant amounts of money into people running for major legislation which pretty much keeps their filthy business model alive. I don't remember Rite-Aid paying off a congressman.

 

[fischermasamune]

Not wanting to derail the topic, but according to the website

https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/

to the 2020 election cycle, Health (which includes pharma, hospitals, associations, independent health professionals, but does not include health insurance which is grouped with Finance/Insurance/Real State) invested about 638,000,000, while Energy/Natural Resources (which includes mining, oil, gas, electric utilities) invested about 222,000,000.

 

[tabzer]

If you irrationally ignore the science about a vaccine, you're being anti-science

Well, that's a lot more loaded than the original statement.

I'm sure many people are paying attention to the science and are rightfully skeptical of it, considering Pfizer's own criminal track-record of manipulating "the science" and the US Government's habit of embellishing and fortifying criminal institutions with "fines".

I can be against Pfizer, mainly because they have too much power. You can work on your own science experiments and I'll work on mine.

 

[Lacius]

Well, that's a lot more loaded than the original statement.

I'm sure many people are paying attention to the science and are rightfully skeptical of it, considering Pfizer's own criminal track-record of manipulating "the science" and the US Government's habit of embellishing and fortifying criminal institutions with "fines".

I can be against Pfizer, mainly because they have too much power. You can work on your own science experiments and I'll work on mine.

The independent science is overwhelmingly clear that the vaccines are safe and effective. To believe anything else is to go against the science, which is by definition an anti-science position. It's that simple.

In related news, I'm getting my third dose in about an hour. Hopefully my 5G signal gets a boost. If you don't hear from me, it means I didn't make it.

 

[tabzer]

The independent science is overwhelmingly clear that the vaccines are safe and effective.

So does this "independent science" talk to you directly?

I mean, you are living your dream. I'm not going to put you down for that.

 

[Lacius]

So does this "independent science" talk to you directly?

It's freely available for anyone to find and read. You seem to be missing the point that you are, at present, arguing against science, which is anti-science.

 

[subcon959]

In related news, I'm getting my third dose in about an hour. Hopefully my 5G signal gets a boost. If you don't hear from me, it means I didn't make it.

If it's Pfizer I'll be interested in hearing about any after effects as I'm due my booster in a week or two.

 

[Lacius]

If it's Pfizer I'll be interested in hearing about any after effects as I'm due my booster in a week or two.

Like all the other cool kids, I'm getting Pfizer.

With my first dose in March 2021, I didn't have any side-effects. With my second dose in April 2021, I had a mildly sore arm but no other side-effects.

For context, I contracted COVID-19 in January 2021 (flu-like symptoms, loss of taste/smell, positive test), and I probably contracted COVID-19 before that in February 2020 (flu-like symptoms and loss of taste/smell, but no tests were available).

 

[subcon959]

Like all the other cool kids, I'm getting Pfizer.

With my first dose in March 2021, I didn't have any side-effects. With my second dose in April 2021, I had a mildly sore arm but no other side-effects.

For context, I contracted COVID-19 in January 2021 (flu-like symptoms, loss of taste/smell, positive test), and I probably contracted COVID-19 before that in February 2020 (flu-like symptoms and loss of taste/smell, but no tests were available).

Did they offer you an antibody test before booking the booster? I'm surprised I haven't heard anything about them checking antibody levels to see if people even need boosters.

 

[Lacius]

Did they offer you an antibody test before booking the booster? I'm surprised I haven't heard anything about them checking antibody levels to see if people even need boosters.

Nope, but I'm getting it through a pharmacy, not my doctor. I think if you can get it per the CDC guidance, they aren't doing antibody tests.

To be clear, I'm getting the booster because of my profession, not because of my age or health (young and healthy). In other words, the CDC says I "may" get the booster, but they aren't explicitly saying I "should" get it. I chose to get it.

Edit (link): https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/booster-shot.html

 

[tabzer]

It's freely available for anyone to find and read. You seem to be missing the point that you are, at present, arguing against science, which is anti-science.

I'm not arguing against science by questioning the nature of your source. Is it hearsay? Is it "sponsored"? How would you begin to prove that a source was "independent" unless it was by yourself, for yourself?

young and healthy

Got covid 2x. Weak and frail?

 

[Lacius]

I'm not arguing against science by questioning the nature of your source. Is it hearsay? Is it "sponsored"? How would you begin to prove that a source was "independent" unless it was by yourself, for yourself?

You are arguing against independent and peer-reviewed science. Let us not pretend you're doing anything other than that. To say the science was somehow corrupt requires evidence.

Got covid 2x. Weak and frail?

I suggest you learn how infectious diseases work, particularly in high risk environments like public schools. The virus doesn't care how young and healthy you are with regard to infection. I had mild symptoms, and because of my age and health, I wasn't at high risk for serious symptoms or hospitalization. However, the odds weren't 0%.

Edit: My odds are now even better against severe illness and hospitalization because I'm double vaccinated (soon to be triple vaccinated). My odds of initially contracting the disease are also low because of the aforementioned vaccinations.

 

[osaka35]

I'm not arguing against science by questioning the nature of your source. Is it hearsay? Is it "sponsored"? How would you begin to prove that a source was "independent" unless it was by yourself, for yourself?


Got covid 2x. Weak and frail?

that's not how any of this works. if you're curious how science gets published, what makes for a reputable journal, and what the peer-review process is, that's a fine topic to ask about. but stop flame-baiting and trolling if you're genuinely curious.

 

[Lacius]

I got my third dose earlier this morning. The wait was kind of long (~40 minutes) since there were a lot of people, but all went well. I also got my flu shot at the same time. I chose to get one in each arm so I would know which, if any, caused soreness.

I was a little disappointed my keys haven't magnetically stuck to me after three doses, but I still have hope.

 

[WG481]

I got my third dose earlier this morning. The wait was kind of long (~40 minutes) since there were a lot of people, but all went well. I also got my flu shot at the same time. I chose to get one in each arm so I would know which, if any, caused soreness.

I was a little disappointed my keys haven't magnetically stuck to me after three doses, but I still have hope.

*gasp* Are you now emitting 6G??? Perhaps your own WiFi connection? Are you hospitalized?

 

[The Catboy]

I'm not arguing against science by questioning the nature of your source. Is it hearsay? Is it "sponsored"? How would you begin to prove that a source was "independent" unless it was by yourself, for yourself?


Got covid 2x. Weak and frail?

Lol, you aren’t arguing against it, you are just trying to change the topic because you have nothing.

 

[NyaakoXD]

I was a little disappointed my keys haven't magnetically stuck to me after three doses, but I still have hope.

That's cuz it's a different kind of "magnet". As we speak, an asteroid is actually locked on to your location several light years away. And while your days are numbered, you can enjoy boosted 5G from the booster shot microchips.

 

[subcon959]

This study seems promising,

A highly potent antibody effective against SARS-CoV-2 variants of concern

Summary
Control of the ongoing SARS-CoV-2 pandemic is endangered by the emergence of viral variants with increased transmission efficiency, resistance to marketed therapeutic antibodies, and reduced sensitivity to vaccine-induced immunity. Here, we screen B cells from COVID-19 donors and identify P5C3, a highly potent and broadly neutralizing monoclonal antibody with picomolar neutralizing activity against all SARS-CoV-2 variants of concern (VOCs) identified to date. Structural characterization of P5C3 Fab in complex with the spike demonstrates a neutralizing activity defined by a large buried surface area, highly overlapping with the receptor-binding domain (RBD) surface necessary for ACE2 interaction. We further demonstrate that P5C3 shows complete prophylactic protection in the SARS-CoV-2-infected hamster challenge model. These results indicate that P5C3 opens exciting perspectives either as a prophylactic agent in immunocompromised individuals with poor response to vaccination or as combination therapy in SARS-CoV-2-infected individuals.

 

[WG481]

This study seems promising,

A highly potent antibody effective against SARS-CoV-2 variants of concern

So get your booster shots.