Covid-19 vaccine

[tabzer]

Well, no, actually. The science shows covid vaccinations are useful and extremely limited in their occurrence of noteworthy reactions, and it... is a vaccine, for something actively killing millions. If you're against the use and advocacy of the vaccine, and don't have any sources to show how the above statements are incorrect, you ARE anti-vax and anti-science. Simple, eh?

It's simple. You can be "against the 'COVID-19 vaccine'" and still be pro-vax and pro-science.

For example, I can dislike broccoli but like food.

Labelling people as anti-vax or anti-science is dehumanizing and grotesque.

 

[djpannda]

It's simple. You can be "against the 'COVID-19 vaccine'" and still be pro-vax and pro-science.

For example, I can dislike broccoli but like food.

Labelling people as anti-vax or anti-science is dehumanizing and grotesque.

I guess … like when people say their PRO-life but want the death penalty… or when they say they are not racist, but don’t trust minorities.. or when people say they are Christian but call sharing communism . Or don’t want Shia law but want prayer in school… or don’t trust the medical field but clog up the ER hospitals…or claim to their “own research “ but only check youtube…so I guess their are people that don’t trust the biggest field test vaccine (2billion) because it’s not “properly test” but swear by a parasite medication that has not been properly tested .I guess Oxymorons exists

 

[tabzer]

I guess … like when people say their PRO-life but want the death penalty… or when they say they are not racist, but don’t trust minorities.. or when people say they are Christian but call sharing communism . Or don’t want Shia law but want prayer in school… or don’t trust the medical field but clog up the ER hospitals…or claim to their “own research “ but only check youtube…so I guess their are people that don’t trust the biggest field test vaccine (2billion) because it’s not “properly test” but swear by a parasite medication that has not been properly tested .I guess Oxymorons exists

Yeah, strange for there to be a word for something that exists. Maybe you should try going to school to learn a language.

People appear hypocritical and contradictory. I didn't think stating that would be so mind-blowing.

Maybe I just don't like pharmaceutical companies and their influence in politics.

 

[Lacius]

No it's not. You can be against the "COVID-19 vaccine" and still be pro-vax and pro-science.

No, you cannot.

 

[linuxares]

Exacly. Remember the so called covid-19 "vaccine" is NOT A Vaccine. Is a genetic treatment. The problem with SARS-Cov2 is the human body can not generates natural antibodies for it.

Thats what the vaccine is for. And the body creates antibodies when it's infected... (either from the virus or the vaccine)

 

[subcon959]

No, you cannot.

Of course you can. Its called cognitive dissonance. Why are you ignoring nuance and treating people like this is black or white? (no racial pun intended)

 

[Dakitten]

It's simple. You can be "against the 'COVID-19 vaccine'" and still be pro-vax and pro-science.

For example, I can dislike broccoli but like food.

Labelling people as anti-vax or anti-science is dehumanizing and grotesque.

I dunno about dehumanizing, since being wrong is a pretty common human thing to do, but it doesn't change that it is an anti-vax and anti-science position. If you think wearing that label might be offensive... well, yeah, people who don't believe in science should probably swallow a little scrutiny.

Also, you can dislike broccoli because of the taste and still like food, but if you dislike broccoli because it contains calories and nourishment like everything else you refuse to ingest, you might be anti-food. If you proclaim that calories and nourishment don't actually mean anything to your body and you can live without it, then you would be anti-food and science... and likely dead before the end of the week, but that's neither here nor there. If somebody said they didn't want to get the vaccine because needles cause them to throw up at the mere sight or even mention of them, and they agreed to stay indoors and take precautionary measures with the safety of others in mind until alternative options or eradication of the virus was achieved, I don't think anyone here would be particularly fussy about it.

Has anyone discussed how the vaccine possibly affects women's periods?

Women said the COVID vaccine affected their periods. Now more than $1.6 million will go into researching it (Seattle Times)

I was concerned about this but a little dubious, when it came to getting my first shot. Side effects overall to the vaccine were kind of meh, except for that factor. Legitimately was in some of the worst pain of my life. After how bad the first shot was, I'm hesitant to get my second next week (though it won't be stopping me entirely...I'm just a bit worried)

I'm sure there's nothing bad long term--everything reported only seems to last a few months, but it's cropped up enough to warrant research into it. I just wish there was more information regarding it so I could be more certain.

That is interesting, although thankfully it seems to go along a trend of vaccinations in general causing short-term abnormalities in menstruation. It is a valid concern and worth mentioning to your doctor if you're feeling particularly skittish, but personally I'd still say it is worth the risk. It doesn't seem to be a particularly widely shared experience so far, and I'm certainly sorry to hear about your discomfort, but reasoning like that is exactly why it is a crying shame the incentives to stay at home ended prematurely... well, that and resurgences.

May your second jab be more benign and may answers emerge soon!

 

[pwjpssdfvqyuhweuxx]

how does this thread have 152 pages

 

[Dakitten]

how does this thread have 152 pages

I would refer you to the vote tally, sadly.

 

[NyaakoXD]

I would refer you to the vote tally, sadly.

And the usual regulars of anti-vax that keep commenting and posting conspiracy theories and videos with no proven track record or data to back up their claims. And instead more folks have proven against them so easily with readily available data from practically many major scientific and medical sources.

It's a sad world to be in when we're trying to help others, but they refuse it all because of "politics", "freedumb", and "too early/experimental" excuses.

 

[subcon959]

how does this thread have 152 pages

Because it's literally one of the most important topics in the world right now. It's crucial to get as much sincere discussion as possible.

 

[emigre]

My dad's got his booster VAX today. I'll let everyone know if he becomes a 5G tower.

 

[subcon959]

My dad's got his booster VAX today. I'll let everyone know if he becomes a 5G tower.

I'm due mine soon but I'm a bit meh. I'll still get it but I'm not as confident about the efficacy as I was the first time around. I'm interested in the new booster being developed that doesn't just target the spike protein, it would be nice if that was available soon.

 

[Lacius]

Of course you can. Its called cognitive dissonance. Why are you ignoring nuance and treating people like this is black or white? (no racial pun intended)

I am not ignoring nuance. This is a black/white issue. If you irrationally ignore the science about a vaccine, you're being anti-science. If you are irrationally against a vaccine, you are anti-vax. This isn't complicated, and whether or not a person simultaneously claims to be pro-science or pro-vaccine is irrelevant.

Forgive me for not coddling stupidity.

 

[subcon959]

I am not ignoring nuance. This is a black/white issue. If you irrationally ignore the science about a vaccine, you're being anti-science. If you are irrationally against a vaccine, you are anti-vax. This isn't complicated, and whether or not a person simultaneously claims to be pro-science or pro-vaccine is irrelevant.

Forgive me for not coddling stupidity.

Forgiveness denied. Be a better person. If you actually do care about the overall outcome of this pandemic then you should be adjusting your approach to achieve the best possible result insult of stubbornly sticking to your black and white views that are clearly going to alienate those on the fence.

 

[Lacius]

Forgiveness denied. Be a better person. If you actually do care about the overall outcome of this pandemic then you should be adjusting your approach to achieve the best possible result insult of stubbornly sticking to your black and white views that are clearly going to alienate those on the fence.

It is not my view that it's black and white. It is objectively black and white. If someone refuses to listen to science and is irrationally against a vaccine, it's anti-science and anti-vax by definition. I'm not going to lie and pretend that everything is okay and that they're not behaving irrationally. That would do everybody a disservice. The time for patience with the anti-vax and anti-science crowd ended a long time ago.

 

[subcon959]

It is not my view that it's black and white. It is objectively black and white. If someone refuses to listen to science and is irrationally against a vaccine, it's anti-science and anti-vax by definition. I'm not going to lie and pretend that everything is okay and that they're not behaving irrationally. That would do everybody a disservice. The time for patience with the anti-vax and anti-science crowd ended a long time ago.

Alright, I can't say I agree but we can leave it at that.

 

[The Catboy]

It's simple. You can be "against the 'COVID-19 vaccine'" and still be pro-vax and pro-science.

For example, I can dislike broccoli but like food.

Labelling people as anti-vax or anti-science is dehumanizing and grotesque.

Singing a different tone because you’ve been proven wrong countless times and won’t admit it?

 

[xIce101x]

how does this thread have 152 pages

I asked myself the same question like 30 pages back lol

 

[Deleted member 535703]

It's simple. You can be "against the 'COVID-19 vaccine'" and still be pro-vax and pro-science.

For example, I can dislike broccoli but like food.

Labelling people as anti-vax or anti-science is dehumanizing and grotesque.

...No, no it really isn't. You already used labels like pro-science, idiot, etc. so frankly, how is it any different?

No, you cannot.

Correct.

Thats what the vaccine is for. And the body creates antibodies when it's infected... (either from the virus or the vaccine)

Well, if you get COVID you generate antibodies. But you're not incorrect linuxares. The easier, less painful way to generate antibodies is vaccination. Technically, that's how vaccines have been for forever, whether or not they are mRNA, since this "genetic treatment" is just your genetics doing what they are supposed to do, with a little motivation.

Yeah, strange for there to be a word for something that exists. Maybe you should try going to school to learn a language.

People appear hypocritical and contradictory. I didn't think stating that would be so mind-blowing.

Maybe I just don't like pharmaceutical companies and their influence in politics.

They have less of an influence than Exxon Mobil, Chevron, Big Oil Companies, etc.