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I haven't "misunderstood" anything, the fact that DNA is inherited is precisely what allows science to delineate racial characteristics.

No it allows them to delineate ancestry.

In an ironic twist, however, race—and racism—have affected how we understand ancestry. DNA tests like 23andMe pack a strong Eurocentric bias because they’re based on genetic research that’s largely from one continent. In fact, the original samples analyzed by the Human Genome Diversity Project didn’t include any samples from North America.

While efforts have been made to produce more geographically representative samples, at-home DNA tests still give far more detailed answers about European ancestry than most other parts of the world. My grandpa’s tests, for instance, included incredible granular detail on his profile from the Iberian peninsula (it went so far as to suss Sephardic Jews from other Spaniards). But his American ancestry just said “North America” (a category that lumps Inuits together with Aztecs).

Your ancestors may have had a mutation that was genetically advantageous & so it spread in a specific area. But does that make them a "race" just because some of that dna produces a visible difference, especially if that difference is caused by a different dna mutation than other people in that race?

It is like treating illnesses based on the symptoms, rather than the cause.
 
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No it allows them to delineate ancestry.

In an ironic twist, however, race—and racism—have affected how we understand ancestry. DNA tests like 23andMe pack a strong Eurocentric bias because they’re based on genetic research that’s largely from one continent. In fact, the original samples analyzed by the Human Genome Diversity Project didn’t include any samples from North America.

While efforts have been made to produce more geographically representative samples, at-home DNA tests still give far more detailed answers about European ancestry than most other parts of the world. My grandpa’s tests, for instance, included incredible granular detail on his profile from the Iberian peninsula (it went so far as to suss Sephardic Jews from other Spaniards). But his American ancestry just said “North America” (a category that lumps Inuits together with Aztecs).
Dawkins explores this concept in depth in The Ancestors’ Tale, which I suggest you read. We're straying far off the topic of the conversation though, the diversion is becoming circular, so there's no point in continuing.

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Your ancestors may have had a mutation that was genetically advantageous & so it spread in a specific area. But does that make them a "race" just because some of that dna produces a visible difference, especially if that difference is caused by a different dna mutation than other people in that race?

It is like treating illnesses based on the symptoms, rather than the cause.
This is also a factor, it's applicable to things like sickle cell. Malaria decimated African populations and as a consequence people who were affected by sickle cell survived while those who were not sadly perished - it provided a degree of immunity against the disease. This is why this inherited disorder is particularly prevalent in black populations that originate from malaria-stricken areas. It's certainly one part of the puzzle, among many.
 
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These white supremacists don't seem supreme

Frank Ancona, the Klansman depicted at the opening and close of the documentary film Accidental Courtesy, was found shot dead in Missouri on February 11, 2017, two days before the airing of the film. Ancona's wife and step-son were both charged for the murder

The imperial wizard of the Traditionalist American Knights, Frank Ancona, was fatally shot in Missouri in February 2017, several days after disappearing. The coroner declared his death a homicide. Ancona's wife and stepson were charged with first-degree murder in connection with the killing. The prosecutor in the case believes that the killing "happened because of a marital dispute" and was not connected to Ancona's Klan participation.



Dawkins explores this concept in depth in The Ancestors’ Tale, which I suggest you read. We're straying far off the topic of the conversation though, the diversion is becoming circular, so there's no point in continuing.

Richard Dawkins is a bit of an arse, I tend to avoid him. The only mention of race on the wikipedia page is

The Grasshopper's Tale talks about the futility of discriminating between races.

So I wonder if you understand what he is saying.

http://files.meetup.com/13055/The Grasshopper's Tale.pdf

Or maybe you disagree with him?

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This is also a factor, it's applicable to things like sickle cell. Malaria decimated African populations and as a consequence those affected sickle cell survived while those who were not sadly perished - it provided a degree of immunity against the disease. This is why this inherited disorder is particularly prevalent in black populations that originate from malaria-stricken areas. It's certainly one part of the puzzle, among many.

Again, that is more about ancestry than race. If it was about race then every black person would have sickle cell, or those with sickle cell would be a different race than those who weren't.
 
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These white supremacists don't seem supreme

Frank Ancona, the Klansman depicted at the opening and close of the documentary film Accidental Courtesy, was found shot dead in Missouri on February 11, 2017, two days before the airing of the film. Ancona's wife and step-son were both charged for the murder

The imperial wizard of the Traditionalist American Knights, Frank Ancona, was fatally shot in Missouri in February 2017, several days after disappearing. The coroner declared his death a homicide. Ancona's wife and stepson were charged with first-degree murder in connection with the killing. The prosecutor in the case believes that the killing "happened because of a marital dispute" and was not connected to Ancona's Klan participation.


So it seems. What I was referring to specifically though, in the film as I recall one of the Klansmen he befriended told him he was "one of the good ones" so your post brought this film to mind for me.
 
Richard Dawkins is a bit of an arse, I tend to avoid him. The only mention of race on the wikipedia page is

The Grasshopper's Tale talks about the futility of discriminating between races.

So I wonder if you understand what he is saying.
I'm against discriminating against people based on innate characteristics, if that's what you're asking. I am, however, in support of genetic research that can help us better understand our species and better serve the unique needs of diverse populations. I include research surrounding race in that equation. If there are genetic factors related to race that allow us to better level the playing field, and we know there are, then they should play a role, in medicine in particular. We live in an extremely mobile world and as various ethnic groups intermix genetic differences become less and less prevalent. It's entirely possible that in the foreseeable future race won't really be a thing in terms of genetic makeup. As it stands today however, there are distinct genetic markers linked to particular kinds of ancestry, and I consider them informative as far as therapy is concerned. I don't think a "one size fits all" approach is the correct one - we should use all available information to better cater to unique challenges every individual faces in life.
 
I have alternatives.
Hopefully one that doesn't spread false news, propaganda, and holocaust denial.

Doubtful considering your record thus far.

Can't wait for your next post of "Everything I don't agree with is communism" or "Idiotic conspiracy theories mommy taught me"
 
And so it begins: reports flooding in of Proud Boys/MAGAts stabbing people in DC and shooting people in Washington state. Time to start stringing up anybody who's still inciting/encouraging this type of terrorism in town square.

Anybody that desperate for a "white power utopia" should just move to Russia already.
 
Hopefully one that doesn't spread false news, propaganda, and holocaust denial.

Doubtful considering your record thus far.
I've got PumpkinFace, Zooptoon, Not OK Comics, Sh1tty Comics, and Hedgewik.
Can't wait for your next post of "Everything I don't agree with is communism" or "Idiotic conspiracy theories mommy taught me"
Funny coming from the side that says "everything I don't like is racist and fascist".
 
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Funny coming from the side that says "everything I don't like is racist and fascist".
Funny coming from the literal child that is going "Wahhhh, mask hurts my ears a little so it's fascism and treading on my rights".

Also, I dare you to go through my history and find one instance of me calling anyone on here a racist or a fascist.

You won't find any, but maybe it will help you open your narrow little mind up a bit and realize that not everyone that disagrees with you in on some imaginary side/category that you, and the rest of the lot that continue to do so, think they fit in to.
 
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I have no idea why you quoted my previous post again instead of acknowledging the new one...oh wait, yeah I do, those facts must not conform to your preconceived biases.

You are shifting the goalpost. Reposting your original comment shows the departure your point has made.

This liberal is absolutely 100% racist against Trump and his supporters. I freely and happily admit it. Just like you and his supporters are racist against Liberals and Biden supporters & proud of it. Try not to be so much of hypocrite.

I thought it was already understood that everyone who doesn't support Liberals, at least those who proudly wear that name ironically, were already racist. I'm just uniting the people under one understanding.

Also, how can I be racist against people who don't exist?
 
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If there are genetic factors related to race that allow us to better level the playing field, and we know there are, then they should play a role, in medicine in particular.

Fixed that for you.
Genetic factors are related to ancestry.

Don't discriminate by only spending money on research that affects predominantly white people, which might be genetic or maybe it's environmental.

I don't think we should overlook the reasons why people end up being republican.
 
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Looks like they are not give trying to hide voter suppression anymore https://twitter.com/newtgingrich/status/1338189444311101441?s=20
“ to add drop boxes and take other steps to make it harder for Republicans to win.” the whole Republican strategy is the less people who vote the better.. I wonder why they want to defranchise million of voter.
 
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Fixed that for you.
Genetic factors are related to ancestry.

Don't discriminate by only spending money on research that affects predominantly white people, which might be genetic or maybe it's environmental.

I don't think we should overlook the reasons why people end up being republican.
You haven't "fixed" anything, you just added a level of obfuscation, like most people uncomfortable with the idea of race. I'm not uncomfortable with it at all - Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto.

I don't know where you get the spending idea from. The problem is the stigma in the scientific community that prevents researchers from even approaching the subject. That's a problem, but I suppose using the word "ancestry" instead is a sufficient work-around to appease people with moral objections that are obviously not rooted in science of any kind, rather in fear of the science being misused for racist means, which is a known quantity.

In any case, blacks have predominantly African ancestry, whites have predominantly European (or rather, Eurasian) ancestry, Asians have predominantly Asian ancestry. Using a synonym doesn't detract from the point - your genetic ancestry is the primary determinant of your race, the two are one and the same for all intents and purposes.

Enough about that though, I've indulged you enough, the conversation isn't interesting enough to hold my attention anymore. By all means, stick to your ideals if you wish, as long as the result is functionally the same - support for the research of specific genetic sequences that increase the likelyhood of being negatively affected by pathogens or environmental hazards like pollution, bad diet, or simply aging. Having this kind of data can only benefit the public, being informed about risk factors is a necessary component in all kinds of decision making.
 
I'm surprised nobody has noticed or mentioned this story..... oh, that's right, the CCP propaganda "news" media claims this is "russian propaganda", so you won't hear about this as it goes against the left's Dear Leader Xi Jinping's plan.

EXCLUSIVE: FBI Criminal Probe Tracks 500,000 Counterfeit Biden Ballots in Four Key Battleground States

Too bad that the FBI is full of chinese operatives and this will be "memory holed":

Major leak 'exposes' members and 'lifts the lid' on the Chinese Communist Party


I guess Joe did have "'The Most Extensive And Inclusive Voter Fraud Organization’ In American History" with over 1.95 chinese operatives working around the world to get him "elected".



It's such a shame that the *Snip* Democrat party has had to resort to cheating in order to gain power to push the agenda of China as they, obviously, can't win on merit alone.

In case anybody here has forgotten already, watch this:

 
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The Hunter Biden story gives me a hearty chuckle. A month ago anything negative related to Hunter was considered to be Russian or Chinese propaganda, an effort to spread disinformation among the voting public. The New York Post story was straight-up shunned and wiped off of social media platforms, you couldn't even share it. Of course now the election is over, so it's completely fine to publish stories about the president-elect's son being investigated by the FBI for years for precisely the kind of stuff he was being accused of - corruption, and coasting on daddy's name to rake in big bucks from foreign governments, presumably for favours. It really makes you wonder if the press is there to inform the public or if it has taken the mantle of "leading" it by picking and choosing what kind of information should be disseminated, which is effectively disinformation by neglecting to mention the truth. Top tier journalism-ing. Remember, democracy dies in darkness, so don't look at that dark corner over there, and we're not going to shine a light on it until the candidate we support "wins".

https://nypost.com/2020/12/10/how-media-covered-up-the-hunter-biden-story-until-after-the-election/

The Post is in full deservement of a public apology from all the companies that suppressed it, if not restitution for lost revenue - disabling links to their story obviously decreased traffic, which in turn decreased their revenue. If I were in charge of the publication, I'd be preparing a lawsuit by now, there are demonstrable damages to speak of here.
 
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I'm surprised nobody has noticed or mentioned this story.....
Oh boy, your back. let's go ahead and look into why we should be surprised (or lack thereof)



oh, that's right, the CCP propaganda "news" media claims this is "russian propaganda", so you won't hear about this as it goes against the left's Dear Leader Xi Jinping's plan.

EXCLUSIVE: FBI Criminal Probe Tracks 500,000 Counterfeit Biden Ballots in Four Key Battleground States
So you linked the true pundit...

media bias:


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I can't possibly imagine why no one would take them serious (sarcastic surprise pikachu face)
moving on to the next link


And mediabiasfactcheck.com has a major story for you


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color me surprised


oh boy... another youtube video. I'm so excited... it's from....
Wow...
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So biased information...
And how is this supposed to make anyone believe or trust you?
 
And how is this supposed to make anyone believe or trust you?

I think he's doing it for the "I told you so" angle. @Foxi4 is absolutely correct also, so consider that you are dismissing propaganda with propaganda and acknowledge that nobody can convince anyone of jack.
 
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