[POLL] 2020 U.S. Presidential Election

[Doran754]

The chain of custody regarding this supposed evidence is also laughable. Also, we know the New York Post reporters had reservations, since this story was pretty shitty.

If this part of the story were true (it's not), it also has nothing to do with Joe Biden.

Those darn Russians

 

[crimpshrine]

Those darn Russians

Yeah, you saw Adam Schiff had the nerve to say all of this was part a smear campaign?

But then he is told by DNI John Ratcliffe:

 

[Lacius]

Yeah, you saw Adam Schiff had the nerve to say all of this was part a smear campaign?

But then he is told by DNI John Ratcliffe:

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I already responded to this. Too bad I'm on your ignore list.

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Those darn Russians

That is correct.

 

[crimpshrine]

So it is the laptop they picked up however long ago.

Which the hard drive in it, SHOULD match the hard drive that computer shop owner had that Rudy has.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/so...s-possession-of-purported-hunter-biden-laptop

It sounds like 2 separate new things going on at the same time.

 

[Foxi4]

I don't think it even matters that the whole thing could be a hoax, what bothers people is the fact that it's another instance of "rules for me, but not for thee". I vaguely remember a time when a dossier of dubious origin partially funded by the DNC and filled to the brim with completely made up disinformation was used to obtain fraudulent warrants and launch a massive investigation that resulted in effectively nothing at all, but now that the shoe is on the other foot everyone's expected to look the other way. If the Democrats were contacted by an "anonymous source" claiming to have one of Trump's laptops and willing to share its salacious contents, it would be on the front page of every single newspaper including Koi Ponds Illustrated. In fact, the majority of recent Trump stories seem to be coming from anonymous sources, including his leaked tax returns, making any of the claims impossible to verify. Liberals have set the bar for what is and is not a story, so if they expect people to care about their nothing burgers, this whopper isn't going away until they eat it too.

 

[LumInvader]

I am NOT backpedaling on anything.

The point of my original post was that foreign policy was removed from the last debate.

When you state something then change your position, it's backpedaling. You claimed repeatedly that the "information I posted was true," as quoted below:

Truth is truth.

What was stated was true.

Again, truth is truth.

You trying to twist things does not change that fact. LOL.

My point still stands.

So I asked if you believed it was untrue. Because regardless of where it came from the information was true from what I found.
And you saying I link to things in right-wing extremist websites changes nothing. What I posted is true.
Let me point something out with Crimpshrine not over what he posted (because it is true) but where it came from.
I was not posting something offensive/vulgar or extreme. And it was not untrue.

I post a news item that was true.

Except the information you posted wasn't true. Now you're claiming your original point was "that foreign policy was removed from the last debate," but I have you quoted multiple times above claiming that the information was completely true. That's a definite backpedal.

Both of your sources cooked up a conspiracy theory that the nonpartisan Presidential Debate Commission changed the topics to aid Biden, but this isn't true since the NBC moderator is the one who chooses the topics. Proof was submitted [here] and [here].

This is why I've insisted that you question everything you read, especially content from extremists. They are heavily biased and dishonest. There's a reason why they worded it the way they did and it was not by accident.

 

[Iamapirate]

There's more evidence that the Biden laptop is authentic and incriminating than there is for "russian collusion".

Russia is just an easy political scapegoat. Story you don't like? It's Russia! Nobody is above the law? What a joke. I doubt anyone would see justice for this if Trump is in office. They definitely won't if Biden is elected.

 

[FAST6191]

I don't think it even matters that the whole thing could he a hoax, what bothers people is the fact that it's another instance of "rules for me, but not for thee". I vaguely remember a time when a dossier of dubious origin partially funded by the DNC and filled to the brim with completely made up disinformation was used to obtain fraudulent warrants and launch a massive investigation that resulted in effectively nothing at all, but now that the shoe is on the other foot everyone's expected to look the other way. If the Democrats were contacted by an "anonymous source" claiming to have one of Trump's laptops and willing to share its salacious contents, it would be on the front page of every single newspaper including Koi Ponds Illustrated. In fact, the majority of recent Trump stories seem to be coming from anonymous sources, including his leaked tax returns, making any of the claims impossible to verify. Liberals have set the bar for what is and is not a story, so if they expect people to care about their nothing burgers, this whopper isn't going away until they eat it too.

This might well be something to ponder.

Journalism in general constantly gets to skirt the line between interest of the public and of the public interest, the difference being if you filmed someone of some vague note taking a dump you would probably get viewers but it would say nothing of substance. Said same smoking crack might be a different matter, even more so if they were purportedly against it.

"but muh privacy" would then mean nothing gets done, save perhaps propaganda, so it is a rather permeable shield.
Some combine this with undue damage.
Some, this includes the law in many places, combine it further with notions of public figures and harm to reputation (a particularly amusing case in the US recently wherein a former baseball type was deemed to have such a horrible reputation that it was impossible to impugn it).

We have seen any number of leaks over the years, some containing some rather incredible info (the cheat on your spouse website thing being a fun one for a lot of people if we need abstract because politics is too hard to divorce ourselves from feelings for). To say nothing of the wikileaks question.

We have seen any number of evidence of dubious quality. Might we be allowed to determine such things for ourselves or do we have to wait for word from on high?

A lot of these are quite hard questions without obvious answers.

I do however find double standards and censorship rather troubling. Some do attempt to balance it with interference, though whether you have to tolerate that or not (we are all big boys after all) does become a question.
Maybe we can get some internet to actually do a nice distributed theme again rather than just constantly inventing a worse version of email and guest books.

"set the bar for what is"
One of the hard questions is do you roll in the mud or hold yourself to higher standards? Eye for eye creating the one eyed king and all that. Whether in this case it would be akin to rolling in the mud is then a discussion to have.

I would note though that much like freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequences for that speech then freedom of association does not mean freedom from consequences from those associations. Far lesser roles are troubled by this, and one's cronies are also subject to review.
Having a screwup for a kid is one thing, possibly quite likely if you are doing the career politico bit (because throw money at it absentee parenting combined with unearned wealth for the second generation ends so well so often), but should they be a patsy, a stooge or a confidant then that is quite another.

 

[omgcat]

so the whole Hunter Biden thing seems to be an attempt to get in front of a bunch of financial impropriety.

for example

trying to distract from his Chinese business dealings

"The Chinese account is controlled by Trump International Hotels Management L.L.C., which the tax records show paid $188,561 in taxes in China while pursuing licensing deals there from 2013 to 2015."

last i checked $188,000 > $750

"In 2017, the company reported an unusually large spike in revenue — some $17.5 million, more than the previous five years’ combined. It was accompanied by a $15.1 million withdrawal by Mr. Trump from the company’s capital account."


Alan Garten, a lawyer for the Trump Org., would not identify the bank in China where the account is held.

Until last year, China's biggest state-controlled bank rented three floors in Trump Tower, a lucrative lease that drew accusations of a conflict of interest.

using the presidency to profit off of foreign countries, where have i heard that before? isn't that supposed to be terrible?

on top of that, the trump campaign has been struggling for cash because they blew more than $1 billion on Private Jets, Trump Properties, and Don Jr.’s Book

Trump has pulled ads in multiple key states because his campaign is running out of funds...

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My favorite part of the hunter biden story is that he somehow passed out after smoking meth. like that's a god damn super power.

 

[crimpshrine]

When you state something then change your position, it's backpedaling. You claimed repeatedly that the "information I posted was true," as quoted below:




Except the information you posted wasn't true. Now you're claiming your original point was "that foreign policy was removed from the last debate," but I have you quoted multiple times above claiming that the information was completely true. That's a definite backpedal.

Both of your sources cooked up a conspiracy theory that the nonpartisan Presidential Debate Commission changed the topics to aid Biden, but this isn't true since the NBC moderator is the one who chooses the topics. Proof was submitted [here] and [here].

This is why I've insisted that you question everything you read, especially content from extremists. They are heavily biased and dishonest. There's a reason why they worded it the way they did and it was not by accident.

You have proven nothing is untrue. The original post you responded to was that they pulled the foreign policy topic from the final debate.

Here is the actual letter that was sent to the commission on presidential debates regarding that:

https://twitter.com/BillStepien/status/1318269143884435456?s=20

I don't see a link showing the final debate topics before last Wed.

And I don't see any link to the Commission on Residential Debates saying it is untrue either.

You have a funny way of "getting me" LOL

And the fact that Bidens campaign said it was untrue make it likely more true. Since they have no issues covering for Biden and his corruption ties uncovered this past week. That would be small potatoes in comparison. And of course they would pull the foreign policy topic from the debate.

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I read that the Biden campaign faced quick backlash and had to pull the fake AD the started airing.

About the Michigan struggling bar owner that was forced to close or is almost done, but was actually a rich tech investor Biden donor.

Funny thing is any business owner that saw that add would probably be pushed towards Trump because they know it was their governors policies that hurt (or helped) their businesses. And of course people finding out it is just propaganda is even worse.

And what is even funnier is the guy who says he is voting for Biden he has literally no reason for it. Like how he believes it would be different. No real plan. LOL. Great ad.

Ad is still here if anyone wants to see it:

https://twitter.com/DJones1067/status/1317979887295254528?s=20

 

[Deleted User]

Masks save lives.

I disagree

 

[IncredulousP]

I disagree

You are objectively wrong. It is not opinion.

 

[Deleted User]

You are objectively wrong. It is not opinion.

Several articles state otherwise

 

[crimpshrine]

https://twitter.com/LaurenWitzkeDE/status/1318735174851563520?s=20

Supposedly it was then handed over from the police to the DE Attorney General, and then to the FBI.

So now the FBI has the original laptop they picked back up in 2019, and I assume a hard drive that everyone keeps referring to as a laptop.

Now it makes sense why the news going around recently was that the FBI person who picked the laptop up back in 2019 was working on child pornography and abduction cases.

 

[Hanafuda]

 

[Deleted User]

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I can play the same game... and this is a newer post. This post was made 17 hours ago. yours was made 18 hours ago. as of the time of writing this.
So...
I wonder who's right?

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Oh and regarding the New york post. The guy who wrote the article , didn't even want his name on it, since the information was already sketchy. And multiple people stated that the article seemed incorrect. So... If even they internally where questioning it, you likely should too.

 

[leon315]

JUST CURIOUS, why Russians want one more term Trump as USA's president?
I have a theory but i wish to see tempers' opinions 1st)

 

[Deleted User]

JUST CURIOUS, why Russians want one more term Trump as USA's president?
I have a theory but i wish to see tempers' opinions 1st)

Because Trump is inadequate. It's not even all that hard to understand. With trump as president, the United States effectively has a garbage leader who cannot handle foreign policy. I mean the whole trade war with china, is a complete and utter joke. The states bled more money than china did over it, and we are still bleeding. And that's just one reason. There is many. Another reason why would be due to lack of leadership. Trump isn't a leader, he's good at riling up his base. But even some of his own base has pushed away from him. And so due to the fact he isn't much of a leader. If push comes to shove, Trump is just going to make this worse.
An example of his lack of leadership is the pandemic response.

 

[crimpshrine]

Secret Service Travel Records Confirm Hunter Biden Trips Detailed In Emails.

https://www.grassley.senate.gov/sit... (Hunter Biden Travel Records Follow-Up) .pdf

One part from PDF:

 

[leon315]

Because Trump is inadequate. It's not even all that hard to understand. With trump as president, the United States effectively has a garbage leader who cannot handle foreign policy. I mean the whole trade war with china, is a complete and utter joke. The states bled more money than china did over it, and we are still bleeding. And that's just one reason. There is many. Another reason why would be due to lack of leadership. Trump isn't a leader, he's good at riling up his base. But even some of his own base has pushed away from him. And so due to the fact he isn't much of a leader. If push comes to shove, Trump is just going to make this worse.
An example of his lack of leadership is the pandemic response.

Yep just as I thought, judging from the most recent survey, Trump is 5% behind Biden, is that means Russian will do whatever they can to maintain the Orange man in power? This means COLLUSION!

Another Funny thing is from some of Chinese presses, Chinese hate Trump so much and wish he got replaced ASAP by someone more adequate, guess Trade war is a sword of double edge which also caused some significant damage to China too?

This is certainly completely opposite to what Russian's goal.

WHERE'S MY POPCORN?! This live shit show is more interesting day after day lol.!