[POLL] 2020 U.S. Presidential Election

[Joom]

Are the pictures real or are they deep fakes? What irrefutable proof do you have that they're real? I will wait.

He won't be able to produce anything except Tweets. I wouldn't wait too long. This is how conspiracy theorists operate. You wanna know what helps? Read any conspiracy theorist's posts in Dale Gribble's voice. Really takes the sting out of the fact that there are actually people who believe these things. Really ironic when the opposition actually calls out fake news and they can't handle it.

 

[crimpshrine]

Are the pictures real or are they deep fakes? What irrefutable proof do you have that they're real? I will wait.

You've treated this story as fact in absence of verifiable proof from the very start. While the rest of us await verification, you already had your mind made up. This story is politically appealing to you, which you already admitted.

I have already posted facts that would indicate the data is real. I will post the next ones that come in further confirming. I am sure that there will be more. My understanding is that people are already contacting others in numerous other emails that people were CC'ed on. And all the emails have not even been released yet.

Even if Biden said it was true you would have some off the wall justification why you believe it makes it OK. Likely tied to orange man bad.

Joe avoiding answering for the 1st time tonight is awesome. And he is going to get increasingly more angry. That's when he says his best things. Like when his racism kicks in and gets disparaging to people.

It's only going to get better from here.

I can't wait to see what happens at the next debate too.

And Biden deserves everything he is about to get. As VP he abused his position. He is actually guilty of what they impeached Trump over. Where Trump was not, the dems narrative was ripped apart the 1st day in senate.

These democrats are so dirty its not even funny.

 

[KingVamp]

For someone who seems to know so much about the radical left, it is pretty interesting that Trump keeps saying "I don't know", when ask to condemn a specific group, like the Q.

 

[Joom]

For someone who seems to know so much about the radical left, it is pretty interesting that Trump keeps saying "I don't know", when ask to condemn a specific group, like the Q.

It's almost like he's a liar and fear monger trying to capitalize on people's ignorance. There's a word for that. I believe it's "grifter". By the way, the "far left" doesn't exist in the US as a group that could influence anything. Y'know, communists, socialists, tankies...we're the fringe groups. But the far right like the Nazis sure do seem to have an influence.

 

[Deleted member 326676]

He won't be able to produce anything except Tweets. I wouldn't wait too long. This is how conspiracy theorists operate. You wanna know what helps? Read any conspiracy theorist's posts in Dale Gribble's voice. Really takes the sting out of the fact that there are actually people who believe these things.

Joom, I don't believe crimpshrine understands the meaning of the word conjecture.

Regarding those who believe in conspiracy theories, there's a life skill that most intelligent humans have and that's to question everything around them. A conspiracy theorist also asks questions, but fails to question the conspiracy theory itself. This may be due to having inferior deductive reasoning skills compared to a human of higher intelligence, or that the conspiracy theory itself satisfies a preconceived bias. For example, a religious person showing a form of bias against a scientific explanation because the field of science also questions key points of his or her religious beliefs. Thus, a conspiracy theory alternative to a scientific explanation would suffice in it's place as truth-seeking isn't the only motivation.

 

[Joom]

Joom, I don't believe crimpshrine understands the meaning of the word conjecture.

Regarding those who believe in conspiracy theories, there's a life skill that most intelligent humans have and that's to question everything around them. A conspiracy theorist also asks questions, but fails to question the conspiracy theory itself. This may be due to having inferior deductive reasoning skills compared to a human of higher intelligence, or that the conspiracy theory itself satisfies a preconceived bias. For example, a religious person showing a form of bias against a scientific explanation because the field of science also questions key points of his or her religious beliefs. Thus, a conspiracy theory alternative to a scientific explanation would suffice in it's place as truth-seeking isn't the only motivation.

I'm fully aware. My dad was an Alex Jones fanatic before he killed himself, and my mom has become a QAnon lunatic, which has pretty much broken any relationship we once had. I've lost family because of this crap, and that's why I'm in this thread with so much vitriol. These Trump supporters don't seem to understand how dangerous this entire rhetoric is, and it just blows the back of my skull out.

 

[Hanafuda]

Are the pictures real or are they deep fakes?

C'mon man.

 

[Joom]

C'mon man.

Yeah, because Photoshop doesn't exist. "C'mon man".

 

[crimpshrine]

This is supposedly the email Hunters attorney sent later that day.

After calling him supposedly 20 minutes after the story broke and asking for the hard drive back for his client.

This is to the store owner that took Hunter Bidens equipment in for repair.

This guy is a partner at this Firm and the last I could find he was representing Hunter.

https://medium.com/@george.mesires/...nter-biden-dated-october-13-2019-d80bc11087ab

 

[Joom]

This is supposedly the email Hunters attorney sent later that day.

After calling him supposedly 20 minutes after the story broke and asking for the hard drive back for his client.


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This guy is a partner at this Firm and the last I could find he was representing Hunter.

https://medium.com/@george.mesires/...nter-biden-dated-october-13-2019-d80bc11087ab

Email headers. please. That's the only thing that would confirm this. As someone who works in infosec, that's the first place we look.

 

[crimpshrine]

I find all this amusing, when there is nothing to be found like with Trump you guys are all up in arms.

This is the real deal, and you are oblivious to it.

LOL

 

[Joom]

I find all this amusing, when there is nothing to be found like with Trump you guys are all up in arms.

Do you not watch TV or something? Nothing has to be dug up on Trump. He puts it all out there for everyone to see because he's a moron. You also never answered my question about why you even support him. You also keep acting like this is a bombshell, and continue obsessing over it as if it's gonna destroy Biden. It's so sad...

 

[crimpshrine]

https://twitter.com/BernardKerik/status/1317269312172949506?s=20

 

[Deleted member 326676]

I have already posted facts that would indicate the data is real. I will post the next ones that come in further confirming. I am sure that there will be more. My understanding is that people are already contacting others in numerous other emails that people were CC'ed on. And all the emails have not even been released yet.

Even if Biden said it was true you would have some off the wall justification why you believe it makes it OK. Likely tied to orange man bad.

Joe avoiding answering for the 1st time tonight is awesome. And he is going to get increasingly more angry. That's when he says his best things. Like when his racism kicks in and gets disparaging to people.

It's only going to get better from here.

I can't wait to see what happens at the next debate too.

And Biden deserves everything he is about to get. As VP he abused his position. He is actually guilty of what they impeached Trump over. Where Trump was not, the dems narrative was ripped apart the 1st day in senate.

These democrats are so dirty its not even funny.

Indeed, you have no proof. So facts pertinent to this story are whatever TF you decide them to be. Got it.

C'mon man.

 

[Joom]

https://twitter.com/BernardKerik/status/1317269312172949506?s=20

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Recycling this.

 

[Hanafuda]

Yeah, because Photoshop doesn't exist. "C'mon man".

Have you actually seen the photos that were released??? Really inspected them? 1) they're obviously not shops, 2) if they wanted to generate fake but damning photos, they wouldn't be showing us photos of Hunter Biden with his rotted teeth honed down for caps and then the after photo with the caps installed, a shirtless selfie in front of the mirror, sitting on his bed, etc. The photos themselves, excepting the crackpipe photo, aren't damning. They're intended to show the opposition that they really have what they say they have., and 3) it's funny as hell to see you guys bashing @crimpshrine for being a 'conspiracy theorist' for posting about this with one breath, and then in the next breath suggest the whole thing is a gigantic elaborate fabrication including that the photographs are some high-level deepfakes. Who're the conspiracy theorists again?

I take no position on the authenticity of the emails. Not my job to authenticate and I'm not going to assume. But the photos ... if those were really fakes we'd know that already.

 

[crimpshrine]

Indeed, you have no proof. So facts pertinent to this story are whatever TF you decide them to be. Got it.

You just don't like facts Lum, I forgot that about you.

Again these are ALL facts. And Joe Biden had the chance today to comment and of course he chose not to. All he had to say was that the data in question is not real, it is not his sons communication or pictures or his hard drive.

There has already been a person on one of the emails in this trove of data that has confirmed they received the original message in question and is real.

Joe Biden will not say the data in question is invalid.

Hunter Biden will not say the data in question is invalid.

Joe's Campaign will not say the data in question is not valid.

Hunter Biden's attorney contacted the computer shop demanding the hard drive back for his client.

And I guarantee there will be more facts to add as this continues.

 

[Joom]

1) they're obviously not shops

Neither are magazine covers, and yet, they're shoops.

2) if they wanted to generate fake but damning photos, they wouldn't be showing us photos of Hunter Biden with his rotted teeth

Yes they would, because they have nothing else that compares to the monstrosities of the Trump administration.

3) it's funny as hell to see you guys bashing @crimpshrine for being a 'conspiracy theorist' for posting about this with one breath,

It's because he's producing absolutely no proof and nothing but tweets. But hey. the National Inquirer has photos of Bigfoot's wedding, so I guess those are real, too.

You just don't like facts Lum

These aren't facts, they're conspiracies.

 

[Deleted member 326676]

https://twitter.com/BernardKerik/status/1317269312172949506?s=20

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"Reviewing" the HDD =/= having it independently verified.

A proper investigation would require warrants and a forensic science team to verify the authenticity of the video, photos, and emails. Please explain how a former police officer has the authority to issue a warrant so the forensic team can do their jobs?

 

[Joom]

"Reviewing" the HDD =/= having it independently verified.

A proper investigation would require warrants and a forensic science team to verify the authenticity of the video, photos, and emails. Please explain how a former police officer has the authority to issue a warrant so the forensic team can do their jobs?

See what I mean? For supporters of the "law and order" president, they sure don't understand how the law works. And again, I'm someone who works in infosec. Digital forensics is my life's work. And what I see here is nothing but blatant horse shit.