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The benefits of Brexit - the future of the United Kingdom

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now why would that happen, the USA is already our biggest trading partner country. We will still be trading with EU countries.

Because it would be beneficial for the US? ;)

Thats a function of your economic influence just having become smaller. So tighter integration with another power block is something that might be in the cards. :) Not sure what it would entail though. Wait and see.
 
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The EU makes all those countries that are part of the organization to be borderless and allow anyone and everyone they want. It's a good thing U.K. has left the EU. Just imagine someone invading your own home, it's pretty much what borderless countries are allowing.

Plus, Europe-EU countries have EU Roads so if some criminal decides to commit an atrocity and then escape to another country, then that's an easy way out.

This happened two years ago in Spain, but it still keeps on happening even though it's not on the news.



I just can't support nor be in favor of something that makes countries to be in a dangerous situation.
 
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Thank you.

I can't wait for our 5 seconds of sovereignty until the US has us bending over backwards
now why would that happen, the USA is already our biggest trading partner country. We will still be trading with EU countries.
Have we not seen it with Canada and any other number of places the US has trade deals, especially when they the go in for the bilateral deal (not many places can compete evenly with the US) rather than trilateral (for all its flaws the EU does compete on a fairly even footing). Even without that they try to take their stuff on tour a lot -- did we not all see the nice puppets they made of Sweden a few years back when up against the pirate bay. The leaked proposed deals with the sell the NHS lark (not that the conservatives have not otherwise overseen considerable privatisation of any number of aspects of it, or will likely go down as good stewards of it) were early stuff and for whatever reason the US seems to favour everything open until people say it is not, as opposed to this is what we want so let's negotiate, so they are not the best thing to look at but if we do look at what Canada ended up giving them.

Now I doubt it will end up as some kind of reverse colonialism and we all become serfs again but I am expecting them to export their approach on intellectual property, which likely will mean an attempt on software patents, probably medicine patents going up in term length, with those likely the awful biological patents like the DNA stuff, I am hoping that does not also mean people can't harvest their crop seeds any more (much less be stung when one breeds from a neighbouring field), probably Hollywood to have a little satellite here to play IP monster and we have otherwise all watched the DMCA unfold over the years. The industry stuff will be a fun one as UK industry and US industry are rather different affairs (the UK tending to be far more tech and skills based compared to what I saw stateside whenever I wandered around there, even in technology focused states) and how they might mesh I am not sure right now, though probably with serious teething problems and not just because imperial measurements. Harmonising food regs will probably be a fun one, even more so if Northern Ireland is to stay in line with EU regs because it makes life easier that way, but could be done -- outside of washed eggs and chlorinated chicken that everybody seems to toss around it is not so bad (both are high tech hygiene focused places) but some of its industrial farming practices, genetically modified stuff could be an interesting one if the EU remains against it for most places. Financials are also going to be weird but I don't know quite enough there to know what will happen, and they are also pretty different (most London banking being private investment/private banks, often of US peeps but not always for money laundering/secrecy, as opposed to stock markets and things that fall from that like New York). I am curious to see what will becoming of house building as a result as the US has some very very different ideas on how to build houses that don't mesh with approaches in the UK, though both of those will probably be blown away when someone cracks the flat pack housing (they already have skyscrapers they can do in days, and the Scandinavian houses thing that the UK did a fair bit of a few years back is probably a nice preview there, not to mention I don't think I have seen a roof truss built traditionally in some years at this point and instead premade frames get stuck up by a small crane). High level education results are already pretty harmonised for everything that matters (engineering, medics, scientists and whatnot for decades now, medics can have some more fun as doctors are trained somewhat differently in either location but it all ends up in more or less the same place), everything else can get just as lost in the US credits system, and most institutions are already pretty open and heading towards expense seen in US universities if investors do care to play there. I don't know what we will see in terms of religion driven laws as "as long as it happens in Canada or Mexico we don't care, oh and we can't be seen to fund it" seems to be the order of the day there. Vehicles will be one to watch but road sizes, fuel prices and safety regs, as well as the direction the market seems to be heading, will probably not mean too much there even if the regs technically change and at best we will probably see whatever the next urban music trend is artist in an Escalade just so they look even more moronic. Military stuff will be another to watch, especially as I don't know what will happen with NATO (this president seems to dislike it, granted the UK is one of the few that give or take the aircraft carrier thing right now can spin up and deploy worldwide and meets spending suggestions if that is to be a thing people look at) but the UK is probably looking at a new rifle before long (the 85 in L85 refers to the year after all, though there have been massive upgrades both from the initial farce and to modernise it in general) with 2025 probably being when that will start to tick over with trials before then and other things are already in progress. That said it is usually a desire to have something home built that causes problems there.
I know I mentioned the NHS in the opening paragraph but I still expect the US to stick their beak in on things there.

My main reservation though is the US exporting their take on intellectual property, which they try to do everywhere even when not doing trade deals, but that is mainly as that is something that I am concerned with in life in general and I am sure if I cared more about finance I might have concerns there.
 
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Holy shit! They actually left the EU, I honestly didn't think it'd ever happen.
Me neither 'cause it looked like it was impossible, but in the end it happened!

I felt quite relieved that the great U.K. has left the EU, but the Remainers are true scaremongers and keep on saying people are going to be full-on racists and so on. And oh, one of the pro-EU guys said basically: "Those who voted for Brexit were mainly old people with low qualifications and skills, while young people wanted to stay in the EU."

Wow, just wow. He may disagree, but there was no need to be disrespectful.
 
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Some avoided joining or fomenting closer ties I suppose, though other factors were also in that one.

That said what sort of timeframe do you imagine this happening in? If it is going to be 15 years from now that is another thing entirely. In the near term Hungary would probably be where most looked but polling (I know) there does not show the greatest support for that one, and I don't know about the economics of that one either (they tend to be where you go if you want to say your cars/electronics/technical goods are made in Europe but not pay European prices or millions to build robots for it).
If one of the various internal country independence movements actually gets something done then you might have a technicality there. Malta, Cyprus, Luxembourg (all places with less than a million population) maybe in a surprise upset type move (though I imagine becoming another Switzerland or Monaco rather than whole new world stage player) but I don't think anybody is particularly predicting that one.
Option possibly for one of the nordics to go more like Norway/Iceland, and they already have the Nordic council thing.

Beyond that I don't particularly see any of Eastern Europe jumping just yet, outside chance Bulgaria could pull something off maybe but they have far bigger problems to handle first.

Some in Greece might like it in theory but the practicalities of that one... does Russia want a port or to mess with China that badly?

Mid term Ireland could see something, though the results of the upcoming election (one week from now) there will probably see what goes with that one and nobody with much chance of doing anything is running on a slow down ties, much less break them, with Europe platform (it is not an absent concept and looking at much of the stuff going on there these last few years I could see some kind of backlash happen similar to other places). Beyond that English speaking technically advanced country tax haven entry to Europe is one of their major draws, though I suppose financial capital English speaking and Europe was a draw of the UK (though that mostly meant London).
 
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I wonder which country will leave next. I don't think the UK will be the last country to leave.
I would hope Poland, Hungary and Portugal. The first two are likely because they cherish their country very much whereas Portugal they believe the EU is the best thing that has ever happened. Not to mention that there's so much financial and political corruption that it would take decades to actually try and fix it.

On the bright side, Portugal has great weather, great food, excellent variety of meat and life in general can be cheap.
 
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After last night I feel empowered. No longer under the heel of the fascist Germans. I can FINALLY be racist again
sir, contradictory go to school will make an individual smart and never the opposite,one must know that 3 major Axis powers were NAZI Germany, FASCIST Italy and Imperial Japan who are still fascist nowdays....

As a British calling FASCIST germany is one of most moronic and ignorant thing ever, since UK was literally bombed into ashes by German's air force during WW2.
 
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The EU makes all those countries that are part of the organization to be borderless and allow anyone and everyone they want.
This is both more false and more true, than you'd think - when coupled with the migration scare. :) As you just did.

So - the UK done fucked up, during the integration period of Schengen, when open borders (like in the US ('merica fuck yeah), between states) became a thing.

They were the only major country in the union (aside Luxenberg and other 'heavy weights')) that didn't implement an optional, and legally and politically viable transition period, but rather said OPEN BORDERS! from day one.

That backfired, and they got more influx from willing (EU citizen) working migrants, than they expected. A few years down the road, racial tensions spiked because of that. ("Our social system moneys only for UK born citizen!" - meh, isn't allowd under EU regulations for good reasons. (Free market on wares also has to lead to a free market on labor, otherwise, all the moneys ends up in the big countries, even more so than it already does.)

Then came the "migration crisis" of 2015+ (people outside of the EU fleeing into the EU).

No internal borders in that case - first wasnt true. The Visegrád countries at certain points closed their borders for migrants entirely (violating Schengen). Outside borders were strengthened and more tightly controlled (mediterranean sea) also.

Furthermore - when 'simply wave them through' events took place, it was on behest of gouvernments taking the influx, so voluntarily, while there still where 'impromptu' border controls being set up again.
(Countries did 'take the load off of others' because of political considerations, and because of the industry in germany liking the idea of more cheap workers - basically.)

The most important thing to understand though is - that 'getting' into another country as a non EU migrant -- isnt the end of the road. Because based on your cause of entry, you get registered, helped on humanitarian grounds for maybe 1-2 years, and then sent back, based on your cause of entry and nationality. You dont necessarily get a permanent living or work permit. And if you travel between countries, you dont get your social payments from that country either, so you better travel back, without you being allowed to work. So, borders or not... Don't matter that much.

Furthermore, during the migration crisis of 2015+ the UK controlled the channel (border between France (EU mainland) and the UK) tightly - regardless of Schengen. So the UK had not had an influx of migrants during that period.

If you are a dumbfuck, and are reacting based on emotions - and were living in germany at the time, you became more populist/racist, when seeing, that germany was overwhelmed for a time with getting through the administerial stuff of registering new migrants. In certain cities. For about three months. Because of a lack of preparation. And a message that spread on social media ('everyone is welcome') that wasnt intended to produce what it produced at the time. That problem is solved already. Also following that - tighter controls on EU outside borders where implemented, and could curb the migration flow to managable levels, to this day.


So if you ever see a dumbfuck posting RT propaganda of people with darker skincolor jumping off a boat, understand that - NONE (+/- a few) ever ended up in the UK, none of them stayed permanently - if not on grounds of asylum - and sending them back WORKS, unlike in the US (southern border), because crossing the sea border is expensive and more dangerous, than crossing a land border (people from the source countries are selling their homes to get here).

'Working borders' as the UK had in place during the migration crisis (violating Schengen, but no one other than NGOs complained, certainly not the EU) would only serve one purpose, and that is to create a humanitarian crisis (people getting gunned down, starving), in countries that could least cope with that at the point in time. That regime (have the countries on the outside of the EU deal with it) works in 'normal/peace' times, but not - if you've got a migration crisis at hand. Or it gets ugly - quick. (Countries all over the EU told germany - open your border, or we let them through regardless. (Instead of gunning them down.))

Its much more sensible - to let the flow move on, when its there already, try to cut off incentives, causes, and increase difficulty for latecommers, and then deal with the people who came - according to your laws, afterwards. And over time.

People without a residence and without a work permit, without papers, have a MUCH harder time getting by in the EU than in the US basically. In short, its pretty near to impossible to do so an live an even close to normal life. You need papers for everything within the EU. So eventually those people register (looking at the numbers). And if granted long term asylum - thats also non permanent. The first generation most often is fucked. (Second generation less so.)


So if you are here to post effing "people with dark skin jumping from boats" propaganda as the cause for the UK leaving the EU - NONE of that was ever true, and this was the UKIP camp brainwashing idiots with no education. Based on emotional motives. (Fear.)

The truth is - all of our societies have ways to handle extreme events with reducing "humanity" in the process, and ignoring active law (Schengen), when push comes to shove - with no one ever going to court with each other over that (laws are written in a certain way).

Regardless - yes, EU means free inner european migration for EU citizens. You cant complain about that either though - unless you are a nutter - because thats the basis of an economic union that isnt a 'colony' ('lets bleed out the economically less viable countries').

We have gone over that three times in this thread already. Keep your opinion, your feelings, and your russian videos of people with dark skin jumping from boats to yourself. Dont spread propaganda.

If you believed in that being a reason for the UK leaving the EU, you've been had.

(Germany or France structurally have no different position on 'external' migration than the UK. Its just that the UK are an island, and will always behave like one when it best serves them. If you then look at if that resulted in pushback from any of the EU countries - hardly ever. Still people got sold on this being a deviding issue. On the day before they googled "whats the EU". (The day after the referendum.))
 
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Brexit is now leaving Europe for sure thanks to STUPID Trump's friend in UK does that. I said Uk make a big mistake. Disappointment!
 
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I would hope Poland, Hungary and Portugal. The first two are likely because they cherish their country very much whereas Portugal they believe the EU is the best thing that has ever happened. Not to mention that there's so much financial and political corruption that it would take decades to actually try and fix it.

On the bright side, Portugal has great weather, great food, excellent variety of meat and life in general can be cheap.
I would hope for you to go make love with yourself. Portugal is indeed a corrupt country, but we are taking some decisive steps towards fighting fraudulent behaviour.We are a great provider of work force for a whole lot of countries and hope most of them leave your shores. I'll then, promptly laugh when you see how immigrants go there and become the doctors, nurses, dentists youneed but can't provide.I'll love the collapse. I truly will.

Portugal won't leave the EU, because we know our place, and believe it or not, our country has improved, we don't stand in the tip of our toes being bigger that what we are supposed to be.

We have problems, but for one, we welcome immigrants. We acknowledge that. Heck, we need people here, so open borders suit us just fine.

And there is decent food in any country, so love yourself even more, you ungrateful human. We don't want you specifically here. Go to Scotland or Ireland instead. Don't leave your cherished island. Lock them borders shut, so you don't let those nasty workers that do the jobs you don't want to do or just can't, enter.
 
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I would hope for you to go make love with yourself. Portugal is indeed a corrupt country, but we are taking some decisive steps towards fighting fraudulent behaviour.We are a great provider of work force for a whole lot of countries and hope most of them leave your shores. I'll then, promptly laugh when you see how immigrants go there and become the doctors, nurses, dentists youneed but can't provide.I'll love the collapse. I truly will.

Portugal won't leave the EU, because we know our place, and believe it or not, our country has improved, we don't stand in the tip of our toes being bigger that what we are supposed to be.

We have problems, but for one, we welcome immigrants. We acknowledge that. Heck, we need people here, so open borders suit us just fine.

And there is decent food in any country, so love yourself even more, you ungrateful human. We don't want you specifically here. Go to Scotland or Ireland instead. Don't leave your cherished island. Lock them borders shut, so you don't let those nasty workers that do the jobs you don't want to do or just can't, enter.

Boesy is right about one thing:

On the bright side, Portugal has great weather, great food, excellent variety of meat and life in general can be cheap.

But ignored him about anything else. America is the worst one.

Anyway, I am proud to be Portuguese and I love my country. I am going back! Hello, Portugal! :)
 
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So Erm... I know it's only been a day, but... Any actual benefits to be found in the UK right now?

This whole 'this this country will leave next' vs 'this is the stupidest thing ever' is, we 've got to be honest, yesterday's news. With the speculation done, if like to know if there are any benefits to be had...
 
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Yes. Lower regulations, to make businesses on the verge of profitability profitable, when dealing with your next best business buddies in the developing world, where growth expectation is still high. (And loose being europes financial hub in the process, but eh, not much structural growth to be had there anyhow...)

"Outcompete italy on shoes" (but for financial services (f.e.))

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This happened two years ago in Spain, but it still keeps on happening even though it's not on the news.

I have great solution. Build wall on beach. Let the ocean pay for it. (Resettle the tourists.)

Also of course media stopped reporting.

Once numbers get down to a managable level (hence "instagram worthy"), its not national news anymore. What do you want - people living in fear of seeing a boat every day?

You go by number of people getting into your system (registering) and that declined rapidly, since the hay days. If they are outside of your system - what do you care - they cant get your jobs, they cant get social spending, they cant get cars, they cant get flats, they cant get education - they can do illegal stuff, get scalped by mafia likes that sell them accomodation at moon prices, be busted to then also be sent back. (If they dont apply for asylum.)

So they run off of the boat, and into the city, and then..? Hot tip. Their plan is still to get registered. Probably in germany. Not to life the freeing life of a traveling homeless person with no perspective and little language skills.

Again, that might fly in the US, in Europe (more regulation on everything including housing) - not so much. Want to receive a postal package? Documents please. Want to open a back account? Documents please. Want to rent a car? Documents please, ... edit: Want a cellphone? Documents please.

And why don't they want to get registered in Spain? Dublin accord. (The country that registers you as an asylum seeker is responsible for you until you leave the EU.)
 
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Brexit is now leaving Europe for sure thanks to STUPID Trump's friend in UK does that. I said Uk make a big mistake. Disappointment!
Dude, British holded a referendum to decide whether stay or leave EU. It was UK citizens' decision.
Now it's time for Scotland to shine! Scotland divorces from UK! #FREESCOTLAND
 
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On the bright side, Portugal has great weather, great food, excellent variety of meat and life in general can be cheap.
Dude, British holded a referendum to decide whether stay or leave EU. It was UK citizens' decision.
Now it's time for Scotland to shine! Scotland's divorce from UK! #FREESCOTLAND

Yes, I know but Trump's friend is part of it. I just knew it.
 

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Here is a business opportunity for the entrepreneurial amongst you.

Boat tracker:

Pay a local kid in Spain, Itally, Greece, .. to flick through local socal media and newspaper articles all day, aggregating boat landings, then send out customized alerts to people who subscribe. Make it a subscription model.

Call the tiers silver, gold and platinum security. Platinum is insta alerts.

Upgrade to a higher tier if you also want to know the estimated number of people on every incident. Maybe make this best value, so around gold level.

Make fan communities, where people can share their custom made spreadsheets, and ignore official numbers, that already are open data.

You'd get 10% of gbatemps audience no problem. Instantly.

Have a shot of the day - where you show a random person with dark skin color, and make up a story, what he (always he) would do, when they get into the center of 'insert town'. Thats your hot topic item.

Do you understand, why (damn leftleaning) journalists were so reluctant, to make the migration crisis an actual story (invention of the "tha media doesnt report" meme), or should I continue.

Freaking a boat arrived in spain, and it isn't in the UK news guy...
 
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