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But i remember playing games on lower firmware when using the "ignore firmware requirement" on tinfoil. Is this still possible?
You cannot bypass all games by ignoring the firmware. For example, you cannot boot Smash on any firmware lower than 5.1 because the game was specifically programmed to work on at least 5.1
 
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Hi, pardon the ignorance as I'm quite new to the switch hacking scene. Basically, I'm here because I want to edit a game save.

I've done a bit of reading but I'm still confused. So, my switch serial is XAW1001... and unfortunately it's been updated to OFW 7.0. I've read that there's no working software for 7.0 but one might be available soon but it depends on some private/public keys? What does that mean? Does it have something to do with a change from fusee gelee to TESC or something like that? But I saw on the stickied firmware status post that the cold boot fusee gelee is working for 7.0?

Is there anything I can do now to start hacking into my switch or do I have to wait for a 7.0 fix? I was thinking about paying for the SX Pro dongle. Is that a bad idea? For now, I'm only interested in editing a Diablo game save. Can I just do that and play as normal? As if the system is OEM? Not ready to get into the homebrew/emulator/custom interface stuff yet. If that makes any difference.

Also, side question, is there anyway to enable online play and still block automatic updates? It seems like the dns thing blocks all online play.

Any advice/insight will be appreciated. Thanks!
 

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Hi, I just got a used Switch a few days ago, and want to hack it but I have a problem - it was already updated to 7.0.0, and I'm not sure what to do, mainly because I can't decide on what CFW to use. From what I've read, it seems that the best free way to do this is with a paperclip? But I have a history of causing things to explode when I stick metal objects into machines, so I'm trying to find a good dongle. I'm interested in using both SX and Atmosphere, but would I need to buy separate dongles for that or would just using two different MicroSD cards work? Can you even switch between them on the same Switch?
Also, before I buy - I know that the 7.0.0 update screws things over, so I want to know: Should I use ChoiDujourNX to downgrade to a lower firmware version, or wait until the Atmosphere fix is released?
One last question, because I can't seem to find any answer to this - I know this will almost certainly get me banned, but what exactly does that mean? From the way people have been saying it, it seems to imply something different then bricking your console, but does it ban your Nintendo account? Aren't those really easy to make though, or am I missing something obvious? I just want to understand all of the dangers before I go through with this. Thanks, and sorry if I said a little too much.
 

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Hi, I just got a used Switch a few days ago, and want to hack it but I have a problem - it was already updated to 7.0.0, and I'm not sure what to do, mainly because I can't decide on what CFW to use. From what I've read, it seems that the best free way to do this is with a paperclip? But I have a history of causing things to explode when I stick metal objects into machines, so I'm trying to find a good dongle. I'm interested in using both SX and Atmosphere, but would I need to buy separate dongles for that or would just using two different MicroSD cards work? Can you even switch between them on the same Switch?
Also, before I buy - I know that the 7.0.0 update screws things over, so I want to know: Should I use ChoiDujourNX to downgrade to a lower firmware version, or wait until the Atmosphere fix is released?
One last question, because I can't seem to find any answer to this - I know this will almost certainly get me banned, but what exactly does that mean? From the way people have been saying it, it seems to imply something different then bricking your console, but does it ban your Nintendo account? Aren't those really easy to make though, or am I missing something obvious? I just want to understand all of the dangers before I go through with this. Thanks, and sorry if I said a little too much.

check if it works with fusee gelee, if it does, the buy it and wait
 

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I'm real bad at following the scene and keeping all the information straight. I'm trying to get better about this, but I've got so many holes in my understanding that it's hard. so yeah I've got some dumb questions I'm trying to figure out.

First, I haven't messed with my Switch for a while. The other day I decide I want to get it back out for Wargroove, but the game will not work for me. At first the icon was just a white square, and then I tried updating SXOS 2.5.3. Now it shows a loading symbol instead if a white icon, but the game still won't work.

My Switch is updated to 6.0.1. Do I need to upgrade?

Second, I noticed SXOS has an upgrade button in the options, but it prompts for internet connection. I've always kept my Switch offline. I'm I'm vaguely aware that adjusting DNS settings were a thing. Does that still work for enabling connections but blocking Nintendo?
 

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I'm real bad at following the scene and keeping all the information straight. I'm trying to get better about this, but I've got so many holes in my understanding that it's hard. so yeah I've got some dumb questions I'm trying to figure out.

First, I haven't messed with my Switch for a while. The other day I decide I want to get it back out for Wargroove, but the game will not work for me. At first the icon was just a white square, and then I tried updating SXOS 2.5.3. Now it shows a loading symbol instead if a white icon, but the game still won't work.

My Switch is updated to 6.0.1. Do I need to upgrade?

Second, I noticed SXOS has an upgrade button in the options, but it prompts for internet connection. I've always kept my Switch offline. I'm I'm vaguely aware that adjusting DNS settings were a thing. Does that still work for enabling connections but blocking Nintendo?

follow this, run the test first
https://gbatemp.net/threads/90dns-dns-server-for-blocking-all-nintendo-servers.516234/
 

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Hi, pardon the ignorance as I'm quite new to the switch hacking scene. Basically, I'm here because I want to edit a game save.

I've done a bit of reading but I'm still confused. So, my switch serial is XAW1001... and unfortunately it's been updated to OFW 7.0. I've read that there's no working software for 7.0 but one might be available soon but it depends on some private/public keys? What does that mean? Does it have something to do with a change from fusee gelee to TESC or something like that? But I saw on the stickied firmware status post that the cold boot fusee gelee is working for 7.0?

Is there anything I can do now to start hacking into my switch or do I have to wait for a 7.0 fix? I was thinking about paying for the SX Pro dongle. Is that a bad idea? For now, I'm only interested in editing a Diablo game save. Can I just do that and play as normal? As if the system is OEM? Not ready to get into the homebrew/emulator/custom interface stuff yet. If that makes any difference.

Also, side question, is there anyway to enable online play and still block automatic updates? It seems like the dns thing blocks all online play.

Any advice/insight will be appreciated. Thanks!
First you need to understand the difference between CFW and the exploit. Nintendo can and will never be able to patch out the ability to enter RCM or send payloads; these are features of the exploit that rely on the hardware of the console. This can only change with another hardware revision such as the ipatched units. CFW on the other hand is software specific meaning it needs to be regularly updated to keep up with new firmware updates meaning Nintendo can easily push a new system firmware that breaks CFW.

Now how they did this was by embedding a key that decrypts the firmware in the TSEC. Before 6.2, all of the keys were stored in the NAND meaning hackers could easily dump them since the exploit gives us full access to the NAND. However starting with 6.2, Nintendo hid the keys in TSEC which the current bootrom exploit gives 0 access to. Without these keys, CFW cannot decrypt the firmware in order to patch and launch it.

Luckily hackers were able to dump the keys within hours of 7.0 dropping. But the way to dump such keys is not public because if it was, Nintendo would immediately patch it just like they did. And providing these keys is illegal so if they were found to be even leaked online, it may put their real lives into jeopardy as very few people are capable of dumping these keys. Also these keys are not console-specific as the only console-specific keys are the biskeys so in the event they were shared, anybody can use them.

Eventually all CFW will support firmware 7.0. In fact, some have shown they have made progress so it may not be that much longer but its anyone's guess when support will actually drop. If I had to make a bet, Atmosphere will most likely be the first CFW to support 7.0. But regardless of which one is the first to announce they work on this firmware, no CFW will be allow to you safely edit your save file without a ban; editing your save file and a ban are mutually exclusive. And lastly, if you want to enable online play while blocking system updates, I think your only choice is to use the Switchbru DNS settings.
 
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First you need to understand the difference between CFW and the exploit. Nintendo can and will never be able to patch out the ability to enter RCM or send payloads; these are features of the exploit that rely on the hardware of the console. This can only change with another hardware revision such as the ipatched units. CFW on the other hand is software specific meaning it needs to be regularly updated to keep up with new firmware updates meaning Nintendo can easily push a new system firmware that breaks CFW.

Now how they did this was by embedding a key that decrypts the firmware in the TSEC. Before 6.2, all of the keys were stored in the NAND meaning hackers could easily dump them since the exploit gives us full access to the NAND. However starting with 6.2, Nintendo hid the keys in TSEC which the current bootrom exploit gives 0 access to. Without these keys, CFW cannot decrypt the firmware in order to patch and launch it.

Luckily hackers were able to dump the keys within hours of 7.0 dropping. But the way to dump such keys is not public because if it was, Nintendo would immediately patch it just like they did. And providing these keys is illegal so if they were found to be even leaked online, it may put their real lives into jeopardy as very few people are capable of dumping these keys. Also these keys are not console-specific as the only console-specific keys are the biskeys so in the event they were shared, anybody can use them.

Eventually all CFW will support firmware 7.0. In fact, some have shown they have made progress so it may not be that much longer but its anyone's guess when support will actually drop. If I had to make a bet, Atmosphere will most likely be the first CFW to support 7.0. But regardless of which one is the first to announce they work on this firmware, no CFW will be allow to you safely edit your save file without a ban; editing your save file and a ban are mutually exclusive. And lastly, if you want to enable online play while blocking system updates, I think your only choice is to use the Switchbru DNS settings.

Sweet! That helps a lot. I guess my best option is to wait. I don't wanna do any version downgrades. You said "editing your save file and a ban are mutually exclusive", did you mean "safely editing your save file and a ban are mutually exclusive"? Like, you will mostly liked get banned if you edit. If that's what you meant, then why is that? I thought I could use CFW to edit a little bit then revert back to OFW and play like normal?
 

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My switch is on 4.1.0 and I've never done any hacking. I just got a legit copy of Super Smash Bros that I want to play online with family, but I want to retain the option of the 4.1.0 cold boot exploit. I don't care about homebrew or piracy at the moment, but I will on June 15th.

Here is my plan:

1. Nand backup of current virgin fw 4.1.0
2. Update to 7.0 without burning fuses.
3. Install AutoRCM so I don't boot OFW and burn fuses.
3. Play online?

Will the fact that I have to use AutoRCM to boot 7.0 without burning fuses cause an instant ban if I play legit carts online? Do fuses even matter for the 4.1.0 trustzone exploits?

Am I missing something? Is this the right/safe plan?
 

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Sweet! That helps a lot. I guess my best option is to wait. I don't wanna do any version downgrades. You said "editing your save file and a ban are mutually exclusive", did you mean "safely editing your save file and a ban are mutually exclusive"? Like, you will mostly liked get banned if you edit. If that's what you meant, then why is that? I thought I could use CFW to edit a little bit then revert back to OFW and play like normal?
There is no way to safely edit your save file; editing the save file can only be done with homebrew so as soon its been tampered with, its only a matter of time until Nintendo realizes what has been done.

My switch is on 4.1.0 and I've never done any hacking. I just got a legit copy of Super Smash Bros that I want to play online with family, but I want to retain the option of the 4.1.0 cold boot exploit. I don't care about homebrew or piracy at the moment, but I will on June 15th.

Here is my plan:

1. Nand backup of current virgin fw 4.1.0
2. Update to 7.0 without burning fuses.
3. Install AutoRCM so I don't boot OFW and burn fuses.
3. Play online?

Will the fact that I have to use AutoRCM to boot 7.0 without burning fuses cause an instant ban if I play legit carts online? Do fuses even matter for the 4.1.0 trustzone exploits?

Am I missing something? Is this the right/safe plan?
When you update without burning fuses, AutoRCM gets automatically enabled so you don't have to manually enable it. Also I updated without burning fuses to firmware 6.2 when it was the latest firmware and I haven't been banned yet (knocks on wood) so it will not lead to an insta-ban. But fuses do matter for Trustzone exploits because if your fuses are burnt, then you would have to use another exploit like Fusee Gelee to bypass the fuse check to utilize said Trustzone exploits which defeats the purpose of utilizing the Trustzone exploits (because you would be using another exploit to take advantage of the Trustzone exploit totaling 2 exploits).
 

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I need help:). In a case of "beeing away" from switch for 15 days, what to do then, battery will be drained completelly, am i wrihgt? I leave it in sleep mode, but its too much days, it will be in crm mode in 9-10 days, i guess. Sx os 2.52 and 5.1
 
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Hello, i want to know something about the SD format. I have never used an exfat format on the switch, but i have read that in order to make the nand backup u need it as exfat. Also, ive read that the first time u insert an exfat sd on the switch, it has to download something to recognize it. So my question is: Should i insert the sd on the switch before i make the nand backup? (Ill use Fat32 format later to play games)
Thank you in advance!
 

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Hello, i want to know something about the SD format. I have never used an exfat format on the switch, but i have read that in order to make the nand backup u need it as exfat. Also, ive read that the first time u insert an exfat sd on the switch, it has to download something to recognize it. So my question is: Should i insert the sd on the switch before i make the nand backup? (Ill use Fat32 format later to play games)
Thank you in advance!

You can back up your nand in hekate to you exfat sd card without the update, then format to fat32 and go again :)
 
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I was wondering what the safest way to use the tinfoil FTP feature was, as my Switch has not gone online and has no wifi setup since I did a factory reset and hacked it.

I've heard going online even once updates the update database, and games that wouldn't require a forced update, start forcing it.
 

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I was wondering what the safest way to use the tinfoil FTP feature was, as my Switch has not gone online and has no wifi setup since I did a factory reset and hacked it.

I've heard going online even once updates the update database, and games that wouldn't require a forced update, start forcing it.

USB install is also a valid option but for FTP I recommend 90dns. Don't forget to run the tester first though :)
 

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I need help:). In a case of "beeing away" from switch for 15 days, what to do then, battery will be drained completelly, am i wrihgt? I leave it in sleep mode, but its too much days, it will be in crm mode in 9-10 days, i guess. Sx os 2.52 and 5.1
I think the console can last 15 days in sleep mode but don't quote me on that. Anyway, if the battery is drained completely whether in sleep mode or RCM, you can always recharge the console.
 

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I think the console can last 15 days in sleep mode but don't quote me on that. Anyway, if the battery is drained completely whether in sleep mode or RCM, you can always recharge the console.
Thanks for answer. For me is 10 % per day, its about 10 days aproximately in sleep mode. When you tell recharg the console that mean put to charger for exmple 1 hour and that will be fine, is it correct?
 

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