Canada Post is in strike, Trudeau wants to ruin democracy

[JeepX87]

That's true, they're basically subsidizing China's shipping due to like a 150 year old treaty. Does that mean that USPS is not turning a profit though? I know Canada is for sure because they put the numbers out every year. In 2017 they turned $140 million, and in 2016 they made $80 million. I don't think that the USPS should just ignore a treaty, but I do think there's gotta be some room for the changes in global economics over the last 100 years or whatever. US retailers are suffering because of it.

Edit: Wow, apparently 2017 was the 11th straight year of running at a net loss for USPS--> https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/u-s-postal-service-marks-11-straight-years-of-financial-loss

True, but we pay for it one way or another, whether it be through taxes or increased shipping costs should they privatize. We've also already got two or three large private competitors in the US, so there's not much point in removing the one public sector option we have.


Oh. I must have just hallucinated Trump praising despots and disparaging our allies the world over. Good to know that this administration has everything under control, and totally isn't a dumpster fire that ignores journalists being sawed into pieces in exchange for Saudi blood money. /s

USPS lost too much money because the Congress force USPS to fund the pension, but none of other government agencies required to fund, so it started in 2006.

Of course, USPS is in huge mess and post office in our area hasn't renovated since opened in 1970s, everything looks 1970s.

Moderators, my apology for double post and I thought it would be merged automatically.

 

[Xzi]

USPS lost too much money because the Congress force USPS to fund the pension, but none of other government agencies required to fund, so it started in 2006.

Of course, USPS is in huge mess and post office in our area hasn't renovated since opened in 1970s, everything looks 1970s.

Moderators, my apology for double post and I thought it would be merged automatically.

Oh, that makes sense, thanks for informing me. Yeah, USPS I know can be a mess in rural and some suburban areas, but their facilities in medium/large cities seem to be pretty nice.

 

[DayVeeBoi]

Harper seems more like G.W. Bush and Canada would go crazy if it was Trump-style leader, so it could lead to border war with the US.

Harper loved Bush. He got a mold of his dick cast in resin and walked around with it up his ass for seven years!

On a more serious note, I do agree with some of what @Hanafuda says regarding Trump's actual effect (so far anyway) he seems about par for the course, about the same as Bush two (minus the warring, but he's got some time to catch up). Harper was pretty sharp in comparison, he would've been much more dangerous as a president than Trump could ever be. He fucking waged a war on scientists and their funding, and renamed the government after himself. Just a dick.

Just to be clear, I can't stand any politicians. They're all fucking morons and politics is a joke. No,I don't have any better ideas how to get shit done as a country, but then again I'm not one of the greatest minds this world has to offer. We have lots of smart and dedicated folks out there that might have some ideas how to fix it, but you can be sure they're nowhere near politics. Maybe that's what needs to get fixed, I don't know (maybe its politics itself that turns good folks into douchebags).

 

[SG854]

True, but we pay for it one way or another, whether it be through taxes or increased shipping costs should they privatize. We've also already got two or three large private competitors in the US, so there's not much point in removing the one public sector option we have.


Oh. I must have just hallucinated Trump praising despots and disparaging our allies the world over. Good to know that this administration has everything under control, and totally isn't a dumpster fire that ignores journalists being sawed into pieces in exchange for Saudi blood money. /s

Either way Private or Public costs will be the same. One may be more expensive if it’s less efficient then the other.

USPS is suppose to be self sustaining. And is not directly funded by our tax dollars. And is dependent on sales.

Though they may be funded indirectly and get certain exemptions and Tax Breaks, which people will argue they shouldn’t be taxed because mail is a neccesity. And UPS and Fed Ex uses the USPS for their slower mailing deliveries because it’s cheaper through them.

They are still loosing money and need to reform things to stop loosing money (Congress puts a strain on them). And innovate and keep up with the times.

 

[Whole lotta love]

Solidarity with the striking workers.

Workplaces should be democratically run.

 

[SG854]

USPS lost too much money because the Congress force USPS to fund the pension, but none of other government agencies required to fund, so it started in 2006.

Of course, USPS is in huge mess and post office in our area hasn't renovated since opened in 1970s, everything looks 1970s.

Moderators, my apology for double post and I thought it would be merged automatically.

It’s 5 billion for pension. It’s an expense they need to make up some way. Tax Breaks alone should cover 2 billion of this cost.

 

[Xzi]

Just to be clear, I can't stand any politicians. They're all fucking morons and politics is a joke.

That's unfortunately symbolic of our entire country and society at the moment. People elect morons because of anti-intellectualism, morons in office make morons at large feel smarter. Politics will remain a joke as long as we continue treating it like one by electing incompetent and ignorant individuals. As the saying goes, elect a clown, expect a circus. What we need is far more people with STEM degrees in politics, but as usual, most people wouldn't even be able to agree on that.

 

[Noctosphere]

That's unfortunately symbolic of our entire country and society at the moment. People elect morons because of anti-intellectualism, morons in office make morons at large feel smarter. Politics will remain a joke as long as we continue treating it like one by electing incompetent and ignorant individuals. As the saying goes, elect a clown, expect a circus. What we need is far more people with STEM degrees in politics, but as usual, most people wouldn't even be able to agree on that.

Here in Quebec, we just elected a new government
For the past 50 years, it always was the same two parties
But now this new government is promising
That new party is mainly composed of businessmen
Seriously, we expect a lot from that "private party"

 

[Xzi]

Here in Quebec, we just elected a new government
For the past 50 years, it always was the same two parties
But now this new government is promising
That new party is mainly composed of businessmen
Seriously, we expect a lot from that "private party"

Oof, that doesn't sound that promising. Running a country like a business just means a quicker transition from a Democracy/Republic to an Oligarchy.

 

[JeepX87]

Harper loved Bush. He got a mold of his dick cast in resin and walked around with it up his ass for seven years!

On a more serious note, I do agree with some of what @Hanafuda says regarding Trump's actual effect (so far anyway) he seems about par for the course, about the same as Bush two (minus the warring, but he's got some time to catch up). Harper was pretty sharp in comparison, he would've been much more dangerous as a president than Trump could ever be. He fucking waged a war on scientists and their funding, and renamed the government after himself. Just a dick.

Just to be clear, I can't stand any politicians. They're all fucking morons and politics is a joke. No,I don't have any better ideas how to get shit done as a country, but then again I'm not one of the greatest minds this world has to offer. We have lots of smart and dedicated folks out there that might have some ideas how to fix it, but you can be sure they're nowhere near politics. Maybe that's what needs to get fixed, I don't know (maybe its politics itself that turns good folks into douchebags).

That what I think about our country too. I absolutely despise SJW and PC crap and usually side with centrist to leftist wing. Our government, including states are fucking incompetent and too sensitive. Yes, our country is very divided and don't know about Canada.

Some people told me that I'm too outsider to be in southern state and told me that I need move to Canada and deal with crazy winter. Southern states are very conservative and religious, so move out of southern state is best solution, however South Florida (South of Disney World), North Virginia and South Texas aren't southern culture at all. I'm no religious and don't believe in biblical stuffs.

As for Canada, I wouldn't have to deal with language barrier because they use same sign language as US did but English is slightly different, more like UK English. They have good DeafBlind communities that I heard.

 

[Noctosphere]

That what I think about our country too. I absolutely despise SJW and PC crap and usually side with centrist to leftist wing. Our government, including states are fucking incompetent and too sensitive. Yes, our country is very divided and don't know about Canada.

Some people told me that I'm too outsider to be in southern state and told me that I need move to Canada and deal with crazy winter. Southern states are very conservative and religious, so move out of southern state is best solution, however South Florida (South of Disney World), North Virginia and South Texas aren't southern culture at all. I'm no religious and don't believe in biblical stuffs.

As for Canada, I wouldn't have to deal with language barrier because they use same sign language as US did but English is slightly different, more like UK English. They have good DeafBlind communities that I heard.

funny thing about canada is that we do have a leftism system
However, we keep electing rightist governement
As for other provincial government, im not very aware of their position
but for Quebec provincial and federal government, they've been rightist for a long long while
In Quebec, we just elected a rightist governement
As for Canada, federal's election are next year, in October 2019
And polls say that liberals are favorite so far

 

[medoli900]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
The CAQ? PROMISING? Let me laugh please. We just elected a government that promise to reduce the taxes of the rich and big company (increasing the rich-poor gap, eliminating the middle-class), and finance the private school instead of the public one (increasing even further the gap between the rich and poor, since the rich will get a better education and the poor will just have to stay poor).

 

[Viri]

Forcing people to go back to work via a threat of criminal charges just sounds fucked up. I don't think I've ever heard of a government threatening employees to work, or they'll get arrested. That sounds like shit that happened in the early 1900's in the US. Give them an ultimatum, either get back to work, or you'll be replaced.

 

[linuxares]

In most countries there is laws on HOW you are allowed to strike. You can't just go outside the door and say "They are being a bit rude with removing our free donuts! Let's strike!". Mostly it's required by unions to issue the strikes, since they must pay for the strikers salory.

So I don't know what the Canada Post workers strike for at the moment, since there is no info in the OP about it.

 

[Noctosphere]

Forcing people to go back to work via a threat of criminal charges just sounds fucked up. I don't think I've ever heard of a government threatening employees to work, or they'll get arrested. That sounds like shit that happened in the early 1900's in the US. Give them an ultimatum, either get back to work, or you'll be replaced.

well actually. it's either you go to work, or you get a 1000$ penalty per day

 

[dimmidice]

How is it undemocratic? Really can't see how democracy is related to this at all.

 

[linuxares]

How is it undemocratic? Really can't see how democracy is related to this at all.

It's undemocratic that the goverment is going in and removing the strike right, that is a weapon that unions can use against a workplace if they can't reach an agreement.

 

[Subtle Demise]

I'm just saying regardless of a person's position re: President Trump, to say he has 'ruined democracy' is about as hyperbolic as it gets.

Compared to actions of previous Presidents, nothing Trump has actually done even make the needle shake on the outrageous-meter


Lincoln - suspended habeus corpus, jailed a federal judge and a member of Congress for opposing him

Wilson - hardcore believer in eugenics

Cleveland - raped a woman and then forced her to put the baby in an orphanage

Harding - Teapot Dome (look it up, proven high-level corruption)

FDR - Japanese internment camps

Truman - blatant racist

LBJ - more racist than Truman, liked to take his dick out and show it off

Nixon - was Nixon

Reagan - Iran-Contra

Clinton - perjury, missile strikes to attempt suppression of his scandals, sold defense tech to China




Never said I like the guy that much, or agree with him on every position either - but he's the President and he's entitled to exercise the authority of the office. He's doing about par for the course on the good stuff/bad stuff compared against all the previous administrations I can remember. Doing better than Carter I'd say, that was just sad. As for the Saudi assassination thing, that's Turkey's problem. Happened on their territory. Kashoggi was a Saudi, I don't see where it's of interest to the US government.

For the sake of proportion, you're using the death of one person to smear the current President for not acting. In 2013, Obama declared a "red line," which Syria crossed by killing over 1,500 people, including over 400 children, and despite his earlier declaration of a, "red line," Obama did nothing.

How could you leave out George W. Bush? His rap sheet is way longer than any of those. Patriot Act, executive orders, emergency powers, etc. And Obama's NDAA.

 

[Deleted member 397813]

hopefully justin doesn't become the new trump...

 

[dimmidice]

It's undemocratic that the goverment is going in and removing the strike right, that is a weapon that unions can use against a workplace if they can't reach an agreement.

And why is this undemocratic? It's not doing anything against the democratic process. The government doesn't hold a country wide vote for every issue. You vote for people. Those people make the decisions. In this case they might decide to allow the strike bill. Or they might not. That's democracy at work.

 

[linuxares]

And why is this undemocratic? It's not doing anything against the democratic process. The government doesn't hold a country wide vote for every issue. You vote for people. Those people make the decisions. In this case they might decide to allow the strike bill. Or they might not. That's democracy at work.

I think you need to check how Unions work and how they protect the rights of the worker.