Hardware Do I have an ips-panel screen?

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TN Screen cost less, so it cost less for Nintendo to buy them for manufacturers that are part of the reason the $99.99 + Tax Special Black N3DS that came out for holiday in the US. Since Nintendo sold it for a lower price than the typical price of 149.99 plus tax.

What makes you think that nintendo pays more for those IPS screens? or they even care about that even remotely?

Nintendo uses different suppliers and that changes all the time. for example switch had only 2 different screens that got produced in 2016, in 2017 it had 4 suppliers and therefore 4 different screens. Why? because company's could not sustain the crowd and the majority of the screens for this year will be produced by a complete different company which result in clear visible changes.

What if that company has a IPS line that is currently not doing much? but there TN line is completely decked out? will they say to nintendo, Na we can't. Nintendo will just search for another company to create them 10's of millions of screen's and there is a big chance this company could even lose its TN line as result. they will ram there IPS line open and push tons of screens even if they would not make them any profit as result just to keep there client happy and on board.

Most of these company's just absorb the costs themselves in order to get contracts.

This happens in every single sector i experienced. From productions towards even government contractors.

Nintendo can demand whatever they want as they are the client with massive amounts of orders and money behind it. Or do you think nintendo would have paid a fortune for those tegra switch chips also? they probably got them for peanuts as nvidia rails in a massive market they can brag with, gets cash to innovate and gets market share. It's a win no matter what.

All nintendo cares about is the hardware is done and the products are pressed. Those 99 boxes will just be filled with the same lineup of 3DS as the 150 buck boxes. The only thing that changes are the boxes.

This even gets confirmed more by the fact they do not sell IPS or TN for higher or lower prices or give you any option. They just throw them in.

Why would you even see 3DS handhelds with a IPS screen and a TN screen combined? Exactly because of those reasons. The lines just throw whatever screen they got.

This is also why Nintendo isn't going to replace your screens with IPS, because most likely they don't have a idea which screen is and which aren't without testing it themselves.

Even on PC market this gets done with CPU's / Video cards / Motherboards etc. Company's would ship to consumers on discount a GPU that normally costed 200 bucks for 120 bucks on black friday, however the hardware they actually got was a 500 buck gpu. How's that possible? how could they even sell that? Because the company produced 10x 500 buck cards, and 90x 200 buck cards, but they only got 2 buyers for that 500 buck card and 98 people that wanted 200 buck card. ( well the company that puts that producer to work )

So what do they do? open the production line again and press those 8 cards again? lol nope. They will just deliver those 500 buck cards and software flesh it to limit it.

It's called better yields and binning etc.

How the contracts exactly work with nintendo is something only nintendo and those company's know through obvious reasons.

However even if nintendo paid more for those IPS screen's. Why would they care to exclude it from the 99 buck bundle? can they get more money out of it by pushing it in the 150 buck bundle? nope. The end result is still going to cost them the same amount of cash. Because why push IPS even remotely then into the 3DS? they could also just ship TN in that 150 buck and make even more money?

So that's why i said, that reasoning isn't making much sense to me. It's clear IPS gets pushed forwards because of supply constrains on the TN solution. It could even be that company's are no longer producting TN lineups for 3D but only IPS. But nintendo still has large stocks of screens from XL and Normal 3DS and mix those with eachother as result to clear stock. That's nothing abnormal for those company's.

Hell even TV manufacturers ship TV's with different screens tech's for the same model all the time.

New 3DS IPS screens exist, and they are out there.
 
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What makes you think that nintendo pays more for those IPS screens? or they even care about that even remotely?

Nintendo uses different suppliers and that changes all the time. for example switch had only 2 different screens that got produced in 2016, in 2017 it had 4 suppliers and therefore 4 different screens. Why? because company's could not sustain the crowd and the majority of the screens for this year will be produced by a complete different company which result in clear visible changes.

What if that company has a IPS line that is currently not doing much? but there TN line is completely decked out? will they say to nintendo, Na we can't. Nintendo will just search for another company to create them 10's of millions of screen's and there is a big chance this company could even lose its TN line as result. they will ram there IPS line open and push tons of screens even if they would not make them any profit as result just to keep there client happy and on board.

Most of these company's just absorb the costs themselves in order to get contracts.

This happens in every single sector i experienced. From productions towards even government contractors.

Nintendo can demand whatever they want as they are the client with massive amounts of orders and money behind it. Or do you think nintendo would have paid a fortune for those tegra switch chips also? they probably got them for peanuts as nvidia rails in a massive market they can brag with, gets cash to innovate and gets market share. It's a win no matter what.

All nintendo cares about is the hardware is done and the products are pressed. Those 99 boxes will just be filled with the same lineup of 3DS as the 150 buck boxes. The only thing that changes are the boxes.

This even gets confirmed more by the fact they do not sell IPS or TN for higher or lower prices or give you any option. They just throw them in.

Why would you even see 3DS handhelds with a IPS screen and a TN screen combined? Exactly because of those reasons. The lines just throw whatever screen they got.

This is also why Nintendo isn't going to replace your screens with IPS, because most likely they don't have a idea which screen is and which aren't without testing it themselves.

Even on PC market this gets done with CPU's / Video cards / Motherboards etc. Company's would ship to consumers on discount a GPU that normally costed 200 bucks for 120 bucks on black friday, however the hardware they actually got was a 500 buck gpu. How's that possible? how could they even sell that? Because the company produced 10x 500 buck cards, and 90x 200 buck cards, but they only got 2 buyers for that 500 buck card and 98 people that wanted 200 buck card. ( well the company that puts that producer to work )

So what do they do? open the production line again and press those 8 cards again? lol nope. They will just deliver those 500 buck cards and software flesh it to limit it.

It's called better yields and binning etc.

How the contracts exactly work with nintendo is something only nintendo and those company's know through obvious reasons.

However even if nintendo paid more for those IPS screen's. Why would they care to exclude it from the 99 buck bundle? can they get more money out of it by pushing it in the 150 buck bundle? nope. The end result is still going to cost them the same amount of cash. Because why push IPS even remotely then into the 3DS? they could also just ship TN in that 150 buck and make even more money?

So that's why i said, that reasoning isn't making much sense to me. It's clear IPS gets pushed forwards because of supply constrains on the TN solution. It could even be that company's are no longer producting TN lineups for 3D but only IPS. But nintendo still has large stocks of screens from XL and Normal 3DS and mix those with eachother as result to clear stock. That's nothing abnormal for those company's.

Hell even TV manufacturers ship TV's with different screens tech's for the same model all the time.

New 3DS IPS screens exist, and they are out there.


https://www.profolus.com/topics/advantages-disadvantages-tn-lcd-panel

This help explain it, it is true that New 3DS IPS screen exist, Im just saying that the Black one that came out for Holiday in the US is most likely TN.
 
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If it's IPS or LCD shouldn't really matter for them like at all.
IPS is a type of LCD. So is TN.

And IPS/TN models are produced in different factories, depending on what's locally available at the time. Nintendo likely shipped the Black Friday units from the factory that was running the cheapest at the moment.

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Im just saying that the Black one that came out for Holiday in the US is most likely TN.
Not most likely, 100%
 
And the 3D is supposedly worse, and some people complained about scanlines.
scanlines and super stable 3d allowing not only for better color at angles but also 3d at angels vs having to play in a fixed position with faded looking colors . . . hmmm

just saying i have a dual ips n3dsxl and a dual tn n3ds and i only play on the ips one
 
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scanlines and super stable 3d allowing not only for better color at angles but also 3d at angels vs having to play in a fixed position with faded looking colors . . . hmmm

just saying i have a dual ips n3dsxl and a dual tn n3ds and i only play on the ips one
Not everyone seems to notice it but I've heard two complaints so far on two separate occasions that the 3D was worse on IPS, I believe they said it was blurrier. So it seems to be a real thing.
 
Not everyone seems to notice it but I've heard two complaints so far on two separate occasions that the 3D was worse on IPS, I believe they said it was blurrier. So it seems to be a real thing.

That's IPS for you, yes all IPS.

The reason why it's some people complain about it, is because most people don't even realize they have TN and not actual IPS. TN can have really good view angles and colors.

TN high quality screen vs IPS high qualty screen:

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IPS adds more blur like you mentioned because of mostly higher MS ( unless you got a crappy tn panel that does the same ) but TN can have far better results also a reason why most top competitive gamers all sit on TN screens.


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Video in motion:

https://i.gyazo.com/76c990c5784075b3e1f16f199279d065.mp4

Basically a trail of blur and every IPS screen has it, a worse screen more then the other. TN also has it ( every screen has it ) but copes with it far better through having lesser of it.

IPS left, TN right

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It's something that many people forget to address when looking at screens that you game specifically on. Motion is what matters the most and frankly IPS motion is just not that good.

IPS on the switch also is notorious with it. If you don't notice it because you are used towards bad screens with lots of ms. Well, you wont have much issue's with it i guess then. If you however come of a good TN panel you will notice it instantly and can't unsee it.

IPS is superior for standing still watching a still standing picture. TN is superior for moving environments.

This is why there are a lot of people with good TN panels on there 3DS that sold off there IPS ones simple because the TN will play a lot more smoother.

I would say the topic starter seems to have lucked out with probably a good top TN screen. I would take that screen any day over a IPS screen.

Another problem that arises with 3DS are the XL versions.

Low PPI vs high PPI. so basically if you bought a XL 3DS you get some extra visual frustration towards the mix that adds this.

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Where you can see and count all pixels in your screen that completely make the picture even more worse. ( reason why i ditched my 3DS XL ) absolute horrible to look at, but also the graphics will look more dull and pulled out basically it also becomes even more blurry.

You don't care about any of this? more power to you. Sadly i do so yea there you go.

Nintendo needs to hire some western people that got a clue about hardware design tho. I know 2011 the 3DS probably couldn't ship with much more then they did. However the revision in 2014-15 whatever it was could have easily ended up with a higher resolution screen with good quality TN panels or low MS IPS panels and a good solid performance boost with a cirle pad extra tagged along with it. Sadly they didn't care.
 
It can be really deceiving.
After taking a good look tilting the console forward (not sideways), the colors wash out WAAY more than by tilting it sideways.
Another tell-tale sign of TN is color banding on the sides of the screen. And those pictures showed it.

The angle wasn't sever enough to see the color fading, but it's there. And it's harder to notice because both screens are TN, unlike a lot of early new3ds XLs.
 
It's still not clear to me that the generic motion blur advantages of TN over IPS actually apply to the New 2DS/3DS XLs. Transitions to/from black leave horrible trails on sidescrollers on the TN panels, and I have seen some side-side pictures that show less blur on the IPS 3DS. I think we need examination or at least testimony of people with both rather than just theory in this case.
 

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