Hacking Are there any advantages to having an Original PS3 model?

[Deleted User]

If you get a Phat console, I highly recommend opening it up and replacing the thermal paste with something like MX4 or AS5. I'd recommend it with the Slim too but even moreso with the Phat because that thermal paste will be bone dry. Also, install WebMan and set the fan speed up quite high - something like 60% at least. It will sound loud but will help prevent a YLOD.

60% is ridiculous 40% is reasonable.

 

[osaka35]

Not said yet, but old fat 60gb ps3 is one (at least, was one) of the only ways to rip SACDs.

now that's a term I haven't heard in a while. do they still make those or is it all dvd or bluray now?

 

[jellybeangreen2]

Nowadays unfortunately not. Slim 2k models are better now. FATs have no physical benefits anymore.

 

[zfreeman]

How cheaply made are the Super Slims? Would a SS outlast a Fat because it's newer? Or would a Fat live longer after a proper reball (assuming the solder is the weakest point)?

 

[RHOPKINS13]

I have one of the 60gb models that can play PS2 games natively, but it has the dreaded YLOD and I'm having a hard time deciding what to do about it. I haven't installed CFW yet, but plan to.

Would CFW allow a slim PS3 to play PS2 games? What sort of compatibility could I expect, and is it comparable to playing PS2 games on the old model?

I really don't know whether to pay to get my PS3 fixed and risk running into a YLOD later down the road, or buy a slim. But I would say I value backwards-compatibility more than most people.

 

[jellybeangreen2]

How cheaply made are the Super Slims? Would a SS outlast a Fat because it's newer? Or would a Fat live longer after a proper reball (assuming the solder is the weakest point)?

Don’t get a super slim (4K). Get a slim 2k. Full custom firmware with smaller chips. Do the fan mod where you it the top of the case in a circle and use web man to control the fan speed. Mine is 8 years old and works and is full of games. Good backup console over PS4.

 

[Ryccardo]

I have one of the 60gb models that can play PS2 games natively, but it has the dreaded YLOD and I'm having a hard time deciding what to do about it.

Not too worth to fix yet (given the price of a same-model replacement which should be around 100, a high quality reball + IHS job is a little bit higher - gambling that was the problem in the first place!)

Would CFW allow a slim PS3 to play PS2 games? What sort of compatibility could I expect, and is it comparable to playing PS2 games on the old model?

Yes, except actual discs (isos are fine and solve the problem of getting up to change games in the first place)
http://www.psdevwiki.com/ps3/PS2_Classics_Emulator_Compatibility_List

SACD, do they still make those or is it all dvd or bluray now?

They do http://www.elusivedisc.com/SACD-Pre-Orders/products/507/ - as an overpriced collector/audiophile/hipster item, of course
It's DVD Audio that failed harder, again due to a format war that didn't benefit the user; as for BD Audio (HFPA)... had to google it to even be sure it was invented

FATs have no physical benefits anymore.

Personal aesthetic taste... and you can throw it (bricked or not) at a burglar

 

[Yepi69]

Pros:

100% PS2 compatibility, including online connectivity.
Much prettier than any other PS3 model
4 USB ports + cards reader

Cons:

Much heavier
Consumes more power
Prepare to reball it frequently (or just reball it once, add a 2nd fan and speed up the console's own fan with WebMan)

 

[jellybeangreen2]

Pros:

100% PS2 compatibility, including online connectivity.
Much prettier than any other PS3 model
4 USB ports + cards reader

Cons:

Much heavier
Consumes more power
Prepare to reball it frequently (or just reball it once, add a 2nd fan and speed up the console's own fan with WebMan)

PS2 compatibility is not 100% unless you get the very EARLY FAT PS3 model which was physical PS2 components over the EU FAT PS3 which was purely software based.

I will completely agree, FAT looks much prettier than Slim. - I did try and do a conversion, Slim in a FAT Case. It just wasn't easily done unfortunately.

 

[Yepi69]

PS2 compatibility is not 100% unless you get the very EARLY FAT PS3 model which was physical PS2 components over the EU FAT PS3 which was purely software based.

I will completely agree, FAT looks much prettier than Slim. - I did try and do a conversion, Slim in a FAT Case. It just wasn't easily done unfortunately.

Please, if you're getting a Phat PS3, you know damn well you're getting the early model.

 

[jellybeangreen2]

Please, if you're getting a Phat PS3, you know damn well you're getting the early model.

Actually no, - American PS3's has FULL PS2 backwards compatibility. If you're in the EU, and buy the EU model; this is done on software only, which isn't 100%. So not everyone in the EU actually knows this. - By the sounds of your comment, you didn't know this either.

 

[AxlSt00pid]

Actually no, - American PS3's has FULL PS2 backwards compatibility. If you're in the EU, and buy the EU model; this is done on software only, which isn't 100%. So not everyone in the EU actually knows this. - By the sounds of your comment, you didn't know this either.

Don't spread bullshit, my PS3 is from europe and uses hardware for PS2 games

 

[olixus]

I have a launch 60gb ps3 phat model the advantages are having to play super audio cd, cd,blueray,dvd and usb media compact flash and sd card this system I recommend for any home theatre or media setup. I used to use mine as a computer to edit videos because it has a built in video editor which is really good. It supports old skool TV's and 4k TV's at 1080p.

 

[jellybeangreen2]

Don't spread bullshit, my PS3 is from europe and uses hardware for PS2 games

http://community.eu.playstation.com...oftware-based-PS2-emulation-Not/td-p/11343241

Not bullshit. Get your facts correct please before misleading others. The above link is posted on the official Sony site which states it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emotion_Engine

It even states it here, US and Japan only for HARDWARE compatibility.

EU had software emulation which doesn't allow full compatibility.

Links are available for you to bring yourself up to speed.

 

[AxlSt00pid]

http://community.eu.playstation.com...oftware-based-PS2-emulation-Not/td-p/11343241

Not bullshit. Get your facts correct please before misleading others. The above link is posted on the official Sony site which states it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emotion_Engine

It even states it here, US and Japan only for HARDWARE compatibility.

EU had software emulation which doesn't allow full compatibility.

Links are available for you to bring yourself up to speed.

Then how in the world my PS3, bought in Spain, can play games such as PaRappa the Rapper 2 and Dead or Alive 2, games that are known to have issues with the PS3's software emulation?

 

[jellybeangreen2]

Then how in the world my PS3, bought in Spain, can play games such as PaRappa the Rapper 2 and Dead or Alive 2, games that are known to have issues with the PS3's software emulation?

Here is the official link from Sony who even state ""Limited" backwards compatibility, and this is because, it is software based emulation...

https://support.us.playstation.com/...ne-and-PlayStation-2-Games-on-a-PlayStation-3

The games you mentioned, are either on the official compatibility list. Or are marked as playable but with errors. Going away from the point, the above link states exactly what I said before.

 

[Ryccardo]

^^^^^

PS2 IOP and mechacon: always emulated
PS2 EE CPU and its RAM: hardware only on CECH-A and B
PS2 GS GPU: hardware only on CECH-A, B, C, D, E

Depending on how you want to read this table, you can truthfully literally say "all consoles use software emulation" or "all consoles that officially read ps2 discs use PS2 hardware"

 

[AxlSt00pid]

Here is the official link from Sony who even state ""Limited" backwards compatibility, and this is because, it is software based emulation...

https://support.us.playstation.com/...ne-and-PlayStation-2-Games-on-a-PlayStation-3

The games you mentioned, are either on the official compatibility list. Or are marked as playable but with errors. Going away from the point, the above link states exactly what I said before.

Well, ok then hahaha
I apologize for my rude behavior

 

[Yepi69]

Actually no, - American PS3's has FULL PS2 backwards compatibility. If you're in the EU, and buy the EU model; this is done on software only, which isn't 100%. So not everyone in the EU actually knows this. - By the sounds of your comment, you didn't know this either.

Not really, back in 2007 many of my mates had the phat PS3, bought in Portugal, with full support for PS2 games hardware-wise.
There's 2 models of the Phat, the one that does software emulation (the Phat PS3 with 2 USB ports) and the other with hardware emulation (4 USB ports).
Like I said, if you're looking to buy an early model, you know damn well what you're getting and how well it does for your best interests.
I also replaced the thermal paste of one of my friends's model and the EmotionEngine chipset was right there, proving it wasn't software based but hardware.
Limited compatibility has nothing to do with the fact that it plays on hardware, of course some games are gonna have their share of troubles perhaps because its not being ran on an actual PS2 console

 

[Ryccardo]

There's 2 models of the Phat, the one that does software emulation (the Phat PS3 with 2 USB ports) and the other with hardware emulation (4 USB ports).

It's true that models with 2 USBs do not have any PS2 hardware and can only use netemu/softemu, but those don't officially play PS2 discs in the first place...

CECH-A and -B have "full" PS2 Slim 75000/90000 integrated CPU/GPU, with metal IHS (which itself has some problematic games, compared to earlier PS2s) - and they weren't officially released in the Australian, British, or Continental European regions (02, 03, 04)

CECH-C and -E (and the unreleased -D and -F) have only the GPU (because it can't be emulated at full speed/accuracy by a PS3 already emulating the CPU), with black plastic chip. CECH-C was the oldest model officially for those 3 regions...

All others don't have any PS2 hardware, never officially played PS2 discs, could only have played PS2 Classics packages without a Cobra cfw (and by coincidence, 2 usb ports were removed at the same time)

The confusion comes due to some calling these 3 types of PS2 mode "hardware, software, none" and some others "full hardware, partial hardware, software" (and neither way is correct when taken literally without further explaination)