Hardware Some switch games WILL require an SD card as well as online to fully enjoy them!

[HaloEliteLegend]

JFC, stop ignoring what everybody is telling you. This isn't a Nintendo thing. It's an ALL CONSOLES thing. Hell, it's a PC thing too, or do you think you don't have to buy storage space there? Good news: it's 2017. Storage in all forms is cheap af. Nobody cares about being "required" to spend $10 - $20 to get a worthwhile amount of space. It's a $300 console, ffs.

Something about having to install extra downloaded content to play a game on a cartridge feels off. I understand it when it comes to discs and obviously PC (hell, just look at my signature and # of Steam games I've accrued), but being required to do so on a 32GB console with cartridges? It feels very, very off. As you said though, memory is cheap and I'll grudgingly pay an extra $30 for some extra space or something, but I'm not used to this on a portable (yes, Switch is a home console, but in my eyes, it's a portable with HDMI out).

 

[Xzi]

Something about having to install extra downloaded content to play a game on a cartridge feels off. I understand it when it comes to discs and obviously PC (hell, just look at my signature and # of Steam games I've accrued), but being required to do so on a 32GB console with cartridges? It feels very, very off. As you said though, memory is cheap and I'll grudgingly pay an extra $30 for some extra space or something, but I'm not used to this on a portable (yes, Switch is a home console, but in my eyes, it's a portable with HDMI out).

Modern portables certainly haven't been excluded from requiring additional storage, part of the reason I had so many mSDs already was the ol' 3DS/DS flashcarts. And of course you needed an SD in 3DS on top of that.

 

[kumikochan]

JFC, stop ignoring what everybody is telling you. This isn't a Nintendo thing. It's an ALL CONSOLES thing. Hell, it's a PC thing too, or do you think you don't have to buy storage space there? Good news: it's 2017. Storage in all forms is cheap af. Nobody cares about being "required" to spend $10 - $20 to get a worthwhile amount of space. It's a $300 console, ffs.

AGAIN Nintendo is forcing DIGITAL parts of the game down your throat !!! In 20 years time your switch cartridges will be USELESS since you need to download it from their SERVERS. What are you gonna do in 20 years time when you only have HALF of a game on your cartridge with the other half being nowhere to be seen since the servers got SHuT DOWN ? And since you like caps so much in all your comments well i made sure to do the same

 

[Bladexdsl]

JFC, stop ignoring what everybody is telling you. This isn't a Nintendo thing. It's an ALL CONSOLES thing.

NO ONE else is telling you can pay the game now but than you get to a point where you need to download the rest of the game. NO ONE ELSE has done that! they very idea that you have to do this with a CARTRIDGE is fucking stupid! and all what for just to try and stop HAX

 

[Xzi]

NO ONE else is telling you can pay the game now but than you get to a point where you need to download the rest of the game. NO ONE ELSE has done that! they very idea that you have to do this with a CARTRIDGE is fucking stupid! and all what for just to try and stop HAX

Content patches. DLC. Systems don't need to tell you the whole game isn't on the disc any more, it's assumed from the get-go. Buy certain games and you won't even get a disc/cartridge, just a download code in a case. Still not just a Nintendo thing. Welcome to modern gaming.

 

[kumikochan]

Content patches. DLC. Systems don't need to tell you the whole game isn't on the disc any more, it's assumed from the get-go. Buy certain games and you won't even get a disc/cartridge, just a download code in a case. Still not just a Nintendo thing. Welcome to modern gaming.

still it is like i said in previous comments and the guy after me. Stop ignoring that and hugging that Nintendo ****

 

[sarkwalvein]

AGAIN Nintendo is forcing DIGITAL parts of the game down your throat !!! In 20 years time your switch cartridges will be USELESS since you need to download it from their SERVERS. What are you gonna do in 20 years time when you only have HALF of a game on your cartridge with the other half being nowhere to be seen since the servers got SHuT DOWN ? And since you like caps so much in all your comments well i made sure to do the same

As I said before, in 20 years time your DS, 3DS, Switch cartridges will be useless because the lifespan of its storage flash will be over.

 

[robman62]

This is Nintendo's only way to get big time publishers to back their new system...just pay for extra storage, it's not that expensive, and I'm sure everyone has already tossed an old 32 gig micro sd into their switch already by now.

 

[kumikochan]

As I said before, in 20 years time your DS, 3DS, Switch cartridges will be useless because the lifespan of its storage flash will be over.

and again i'm not saying anything about the ds or 3ds. I was commenting because people keep comparing it with an xbox and playstation that installs games 2 but the BIGGEST difference being i get to install it in 20 years time while being OFFLINE.

 

[sarkwalvein]

and again i'm not saying anything about the ds or 3ds. I was commenting because people keep comparing it with an xbox and playstation that installs games 2 but the BIGGEST difference being i get to install it in 20 years time while being OFFLINE.

True, only wanted to make it clear that this "longevity" problem is not new in Nintendo consoles.

 

[DeslotlCL]

Content patches. DLC. Systems don't need to tell you the whole game isn't on the disc any more, it's assumed from the get-go. Buy certain games and you won't even get a disc/cartridge, just a download code in a case. Still not just a Nintendo thing. Welcome to modern gaming.

You certainly dont get it. Cartridges have always been plug and play, since the nes era. Catridges have the advantage of faster loading times compared to discs. Why do the others console need to install them? BECAUSE THE LOADING TIMES WOULD BE HORRIBLE AND THE OPTICAL DRIVE COULD GET DAMAGED. YOU CANT COMPARE CARTRIDGES TO DISCS SMH. Guess what? Even on ps4 and xbox one the full games are on the discs. No matter what you think about the games being divided on dlcs and day one patches, the full game is still on the disc and it takes less than 10 seconds to install on the internal storage compared TO THE HOURS YOU WILL HAVE TO WAIT FOR THE REST OF YOUR SWITCH GAME TO BE DOWNLOADED (depending on your internet conection).

smh, understand, the 3ds didnt have that problem, even if you needed an sd card for like smash and mh it was includedwith the system, IT WAS INCLUDED, and the full games were still on the CARTRIDGES.

Get it now? It's stupid to put half of a game on a cartridges and make people to download the rest, but oh, ooohh, nintendo is my lord and savior, let praise them for their good desicions~

Thank you nintendo, i will continue sucking your d*ck for the rest of my life.

 

[Xzi]

You certainly dont get it. Cartridges have always been plug and play, since the nes era.

No they haven't, lol. 3DS had additional content/DLC for games not already on the cartridge. Also already had the option for digital download. Wii U was the same way even though it used discs. You're living like a decade in the past. You guys can keep arguing that this is somehow "different" on Switch all you want, it's not. You continue to require additional storage on ALL CONSOLES AND PC in order to get full content from all your games. Live with it or stick with retro gaming, Christ. Not like everything was peachy in retro-land either, major gamebraking bugs went un-patched constantly. Take off the damn rose-colored glasses.

 

[Alex4U]

Remember when you only need to blow the cartridge, insert the controller, plug the AC and enjoy your game...?


NOPE

This is the fUCKING FUTURE WHERE YOU NEED BUY DLC AND PAY FOR ONLINE (phew...)

That's the reason why I'm still playing old GameBoy games UuU

 

[sansnumen]

No they haven't, lol. 3DS had additional content/DLC for games not already on the cartridge. Also already had the option for digital download. Wii U was the same way even though it used discs. You're living like a decade in the past.

It's obvious you still don't get it. No one's talking about DLC and updates being on 3DS carts or Wii U discs. We are all talking about the full BASE game being on carts and discs. All the other stuff is ancillary and has been since the PS3/Xbox 360 era. We all expect the full BASE game to work out of the box if we buy the game at retail.

 

[Xzi]

It's obvious you still don't get it. No one's talking about DLC and updates being on 3DS carts or Wii U discs. We are all talking about the full BASE game being on carts and discs. All the other stuff is ancillary and has been since the PS3/Xbox 360 era. We all expect the full BASE game to work out of the box if we buy the game at retail.

Which is why I mention content patches. Many developers continue to give you new stuff for free after the game is released now. Sometimes it is just little extras, but sometimes it's an entirely new section of the game. Which is why technically speaking, almost no game comes with the entire thing on disc/cart any more. Most have day-one patches, which is all they're asking you to download to play some Switch carts anyway. Been going on with Sony and Microsoft for like four or five years now, but because it was phrased slightly differently for Switch and people apparently still don't understand that we're in the digital storage era, everybody flips their shit over a big nothingburger.

$10 for 32GB people. $20 for 64GB. XB1 and PS4 don't even give you storage options this cheap.

 

[sansnumen]

Which is why I mention content patches. Many developers continue to give you new stuff for free after the game is released now. Sometimes it is just little extras, but sometimes it's an entirely new section of the game. Which is why technically speaking, almost no game comes with the entire thing on disc/cart any more. Most have day-one patches, which is all they're asking you to download to play some Switch carts anyway. Been going on with Sony and Microsoft for like four or five years now, but because it was phrased slightly differently for Switch and people apparently still don't understand that we're in the digital storage era, everybody flips their shit over a big nothingburger.

It's not really a nothingburger specifically on the Switch. The Switch has low on board memory to begin with, and additional flash storage is really expensive at more useful sizes like 128GB or 256GB. Switch game carts can be up to 64GB, which in my opinion is more than enough for 1080p games on the Switch. If a publisher refuses to put the whole base game on 64GB carts, then that just makes them greedy dicks.

And yes, it's nice to get freebies from developers for old games, but once the servers are pulled, bye bye updates and DLC. That would just leave us with retail games. If piracy becomes rampant on the Switch, then there is no problem as all DLC and updates can be preserved for all time.

 

[Olmectron]

It's not really a nothingburger specifically on the Switch. The Switch has low on board memory to begin with, and additional flash storage is really expensive at more useful sizes like 128GB or 256GB. Switch game carts can be up to 64GB, which in my opinion is more than enough for 1080p games on the Switch. If a publisher refuses to put the whole base game on 64GB carts, then that just makes them greedy dicks.

And yes, it's nice to get freebies from developers for old games, but once the servers are pulled, bye bye updates and DLC. That would just leave us with retail games. If piracy becomes rampant on the Switch, then there is no problem as all DLC and updates can be preserved for all time.

Newer games on both PS4 and Xbox One always install at least 50GB. How many disc games can you play before filling the 500GB of the basic models? Less than 10. And guess what? Those 500GB you thought were for digital shop games were actually for being able to play your physical games.

While some 3rd party developers could abuse this on Switch, I'm pretty sure there won't be a Nintendo developed game that makes the SD mandatory (aside from DLC and patches, of course).

Added: Also, I know about several PS4/XBox One games that won't let you play without their "One day patch". How will be able to play those in 40 years for showing our grandchildren if we deleted the patch and it's not downloadable anymore? Will Sony and MS distribute offline USB sticks with the patches?

 

[Xzi]

It's not really a nothingburger specifically on the Switch. The Switch has low on board memory to begin with, and additional flash storage is really expensive at more useful sizes like 128GB or 256GB. Switch game carts can be up to 64GB, which in my opinion is more than enough for 1080p games on the Switch. If a publisher refuses to put the whole base game on 64GB carts, then that just makes them greedy dicks.

And yes, it's nice to get freebies from developers for old games, but once the servers are pulled, bye bye updates and DLC. That would just leave us with retail games. If piracy becomes rampant on the Switch, then there is no problem as all DLC and updates can be preserved for all time.

200GB mSD is $85, not that bad. Besides, you're really over-estimating how much you need to download when buying a retail cart anyway. Most will just have day-one patches like I mentioned, 1GB or less. Game servers tend to get discontinued, but eShop/update servers tend to stick around for several generations.

Yeah, full fat HDDs are cheaper for mass storage, but Nintendo couldn't have used those for obvious reasons. Even an SSD would be too big to fit in with Switch's internals.

 

[kumikochan]

Newer games on both PS4 and Xbox One always install at least 50GB. How many disc games can you play before filling the 500GB of the basic models? Less than 10. And guess what? Those 500GB you thought were for digital shop games were actually for being able to play your physical games.

While some 3rd party developers could abuse this on Switch, I'm pretty sure there won't be a Nintendo developed game that makes the SD mandatory (aside from DLC and patches, of course).

Added: Also, I know about several PS4/XBox One games that won't let you play without their "One day patch". How will be able to play those in 40 years for showing our grandchildren if we deleted the patch and it's not downloadable anymore? Will Sony and MS distribute offline USB sticks with the patches?

how so ? I remember it lets you play those games if it's not connected to the internet but only asks for that day one patch if it is connected so that argument is invalid.

 

[Olmectron]

how so ? I remember it lets you play those games if it's not connected to the internet but only asks for that day one patch if it is connected so that argument is invalid.

Well, yep. It's playable, but it's missing features. Just like the case of the NBA 2k18 situation (which let's you play, but has some features missing).

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/5gb-uncharted-4-day-one-patch-required-for-key-fea/1100-6439288/

Uncharted 4, for example, needed its day one patch for unlocking: Photo Mode, Weapon Selector, Encounter Select, and some more.

Edit: This is the full list of features Uncharted 4 unlocked with the day one patch.

Version 1.01 Patch

• Multiplayer support
• Single player Encounter Select
• Bonus Feature: Photo Mode
• Bonus Feature: Character Model Viewer
• Bonus Feature: Render Modes
• Bonus Feature: Gameplay Modes
• Bonus Feature: Single-player Modes
• Bonus Feature: Weapon Selector
• Bonus Feature: Journal Viewer
• Bonus Feature: Concept Art Galleries
• General Fixes and Improvements

So, we won't be able to play multiplayer in 20 years if we delete the data! What a shame!