Things are getting worse - Mexico and Trump.

[deinonychus71]

Do you even realize how ridiculous you sound?
Yes, it will help stop rapist's, drug dealers, and illegals from making it here ILLEGALY!
No, it's not wasting money since Mexico WILL be paying for the wall!

Yes, Immigration is a HUGE (YUGE) problem! and by not building this wall only influences RAPIST'S, DRUG DEALERS and ILLEGALS to continue their bullshit ways.!

Also, Border Patrol has been ordered to do their jobs now instead of stand down! So between this and the fact of a more monsterous wall, I don't see much time for them to acheive their goal and make it across for the most part.

Jeez. You've heard the word rapist so often during your brainwash that cant stop using it now.
Do you know legal immigrants can be rapists too?
Do you know americans can be rapist too?
Do you know white people can be rapist too?

I know you want to believe in a world of good and bad people with a simplistic black/white justice but it's never that simple.

And yes. This stupid wall is just an embarassment for your country, like it was in germany.

 

[osaka35]

Dear Flying Spaghetti Monster! This kind of thread is going to be something we are going to endure for the next 4 years, right?

While it's good to see some fellow Mexicans here on the forum worried about the state of things, and its certainly comforting reading some post with good spirit, centered and well informed opinions, I think we all have to be realistic in this situation we're facing.

Mexico is going to pay for Trump's wall, one way or another. FACT

I'm not saying it's "the way to go" or that it's the right thing to do or that it'll be easier that way or that I agree with it, far from it, but it's just a conclusion that it's been speculated (and now is a reality) since the US Republican Party campaigns.

The figure of the US president can (and will) invoke certain special powers onto itself which can grant it the capacity to emit bills, executive orders and decisions based on certain "special emergency states". This is not new nor rare, in fact Obama used this kind powers in its past administration to pass part of the Obama Care initiative and to reform certain aspects of the US immigration policies (both of this instances surely are going to be reversed now).
In this scenario, by declaring an "economic emergency state" (hence the "trade deficit") Trump can emit an order or bill to retain all US dollars sent to Mexico by the Mexican immigrants (legal or otherwise), this money is known here in Mexico as "remesas", and oh boy! you can bet all of your collective asses it's a lot of frigin money, it can pay for the wall during the the years of the Trum administration easily.

On the other hand, the Mexican government is a weak, ignorant, unprepared, selfish and self centered. This has been obvious the whole length of its administration, and cemented as true during this past 3 months. This government thought they could fly by 6 years basically doing nothing and hoping for the best and well, worst is knocking right outside the north door, and of course they don't know what to do now that it's the biggest ally is turning into some kind of resented and abusive husband that still has to tolerate with the ugly, unorganized, unattractive and costly wife (but still f**ks her from time to time, just to leave clear who's the MAN)

This leaves us with two heads of states, one with all the power and authority over the submissive and powerless one.
It's not difficult to see where this is going.

In the past, not once Mexico has stood opposite to the US, not once since the swift US invasion in which the US troops took the Castillo de Chapultepec and Mexico loose horribly, Mexico has always been the submissive wife, idiologiclally, economically and politically.

I think I t's best to sit back a little while, read more about the history of the complex relationship between MX and USA, observe without any kind of prejudice the actions of both governments and learn, really LEARN about what's happening, because at the endo of the day it's our responsibility wats happening right now, and it's our responsibility to try and succeed in preventing this kind of situation again.

Oh! And brace ourselves and try to prepare ourselves, it's going to be some very difficult and rough 4 years (maybe more...)

and there's always the approach of us building it with our money, then the US government sending Mexico the bill (which mexico will just go "wha" and be like "no thanks"). Kind of like how we do with Guantanamo bay and renting the land from cuba.

 

[el_gonz87]

I doubt it seeing the US has the most debt in the world

Sadly we have incurred debt because of bad deals, but it's about to change.

Still we are the most powerful country, that's why NATO is always asking us for help!

 

[Cylent1]

Mexico isn't going to build the wall without us giving them some benefit. Maybe not in the form of money, but the only way they're buidling it is through threats or through indirect money (NAFTA). Why would they build it just because we ask them nicely?

There you go sounding ignorant! and I mean that in a sincere way!
Have you been watching the Mainstream Fascist News again?
Mexico isn't building the wall, USA is!
And it will be paid for by the Mexicans in the form of a 20% Border Tax burdened upon them!

 

[kumikochan]

Sadly we have incurred debt because of bad deals, but it's about to change.

Still we are the most powerful country, that's why NATO is always asking us for help!

You do know that Europe has an infastructure way ahead of the US ? Small difference between poor and rich, Free education, Healthcare 50 euro a year, Pills cost like 2 euro a box, cancer treatment costs less then 100 euro's. Dentists cost about 10 euro. Pension money after 45 years of work from the goverment itself. If you don't work you get 1150 euro each month to survive and still not billions in debt. Wow surely you are the most powerful country !!!! Oh and our money is worth more then yours

 

[Cylent1]

Jeez. You've heard the word rapist so often during your brainwash that cant stop using it now.
Do you know legal immigrants can be rapists too?
Do you know americans can be rapist too?
Do you know white people can be rapist too?

I know you want to believe in a world of good and bad people with a simplistic black/white justice but it's never that simple.

And yes. This stupid wall is just an embarassment for your country, like it was in germany.

Yeah! We have enough of our own here now, let alone letting in a shit ton more.
Logic like that is why we are where we are at now!

 

[osaka35]

There you go sounding ignorant! and I mean that in a sincere way!
Have you been watching the Mainstream Fascist News again?
Mexico isn't building the wall, USA is!
And it will be paid for by the Mexicans in the form of a 20% Border Tax burdened upon them!

*pay for the wall
sorry for the slip of the tongue. You'll notice how I said the US will build it with my other post and 20% increase on imports? yeah, there's no downsides to something like that /s. Nah, yeah, when they increase tariffs, we're going to feel that sting more than they do.

 

[Queen of SoS]

Do you even realize how ridiculous you sound?
Yes, it will help stop rapist's, drug dealers, and illegals from making it here ILLEGALY!
No, it's not wasting money since Mexico WILL be paying for the wall!

Yes, Immigration is a HUGE (YUGE) problem! and by not building this wall only influences RAPIST'S, DRUG DEALERS and ILLEGALS to continue their bullshit ways.!

Also, Border Patrol has been ordered to do their jobs now instead of stand down! So between this and the fact of a more monsterous wall, I don't see much time for them to acheive their goal and make it across for the most part.

Umm it's already been said that us tax payers are going to be funding his wall plan. He only said that mexico will pay for it in some way NOT outright but in some form or fashion. Not trying to argue but it has been all over the news. Plus the Mexican President has already cancelled his visit to the U.S.

 

[the_randomizer]

You do know that Europe has an infastructure way ahead of the US ? Small difference between poor and rich, Free education, Healthcare 50 euro a year, Pills cost like 2 euro box, Dentists cost about 10 euro. Pension money after 45 years of work from the goverment itself. If you don't work you get 1150 euro each month to survive and still not billions in debt. Wow surely you are the most powerful country !!!! Oh and our money is worth more then yours

But you have to consider the cost of living is a helluva lot higher than other countries, so those amenities come at a cost. Also, no country is better than another, so please cut the sanctimonious "our country is better than yours" BS, it's getting old. America isn't the greatest in the world, neither is EU, neither is Australia, no country it, but I digress.

 

[lexarvn]

LOL really the Japanese are the moral compass? HAHAHAH How about this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanking_Massacre

This is a terrible argument. The US has done a lot of things just as bad or worse to the Native Americans. At any rate what matters is what the culture is currently like and Japan has us one upped in many categories.

 

[kumikochan]

But you have to consider the cost of living is a helluva lot higher than other countries, so those amenities come at a cost.

actually i pay for my house 350 euro a month, electricity 70 euro, gas 50 euro, water 35 euro, food 200 euro a month and i earn around 2000 euro a month

 

[the_randomizer]

actually i pay for my house 350 euro a month, electricity 70 euro, gas 50 euro, water 35 euro, food 200 euro a month and i earn around 2000 euro a month

See the rest of my post, no country is perfect, or "better" than another in that regard. It's all subjective. I could easy disclose my feelings on why I think where I live is better than another country, but I won't, as it solves nothing and causes animosity. I can't stand sanctimonious opinions of feigned superiority, it pisses me off when people act better than others, and believe me, I'm not conveying superiority, I don't have a choice on where I was born or where I live.

 

[kumikochan]

See the rest of my post, no country is perfect, or "better" than another in that regard. It's all subjective. I could easy disclose my feelings on why I think where I live is better than another country, but I won't, as it solves nothing and causes animosity. I can't stand sanctimonious opinions of feigned superiority.

yeah and i agree with you on that. No country is the greatest. Each of their own has problems wich they need to deal with. But some didn't agree and started saying. America is the greatest country in the world !!! wich i strongly disagree with

 

[Cylent1]

Umm it's already been said that us tax payers are going to be funding his wall plan. He only said that mexico will pay for it in some way NOT outright but in some form or fashion. Not trying to argue but it has been all over the news. Plus the Mexican President has already cancelled his visit to the U.S.

And it's already been established by Trump on video saying there will be a 20% border tax for Mexico and that will pay for the wall if mexico won't flat out and pay for it.
and yes USA will pay for it to be built ASAP!
But in the end Mexico will have paid for it.

Lay of the MSM a little and let your brain heal...

 

[the_randomizer]

yeah and i agree with you on that. No country is the greatest. Each of their own has problems wich they need to deal with. But some didn't agree and started saying. America is the greatest country in the world !!!

Which I think is BS, is it better than places like North Korea? Yes, that's a given, but compared to other developed countries, it's all relative. I despise our government and leaders, regardless of the party.

 

[osaka35]

no country is..."better" than another in that regard [cost of living]. It's all subjective.

"better" as in how much you like it, or "better" as in how much you pay to have access to quality-of-life services/items and get paid? (I wanted to make sure I understand your intent)

 

[lexarvn]

But you have to consider the cost of living is a helluva lot higher than other countries

Actually, America is becoming more expensive to live in than a lot of European and Asian countries. Last time I went on vacation to Japan, I was shocked at how cheap everything was (excluding designer clothes and cosmetics of course).

 

[the_randomizer]

Actually, America is becoming more expensive to live in than a lot of European and Asian countries. Last time I went on vacation to Japan, I was shocked at how cheap everything was (excluding designer clothes and cosmetics of course).

Nothing we can do about it, I don't have a choice of living here thanks to being underemployed. The state I live in has the lowest unemployment rate in the country though, gas prices aren't bad either. But I'd rather not have to pay to move out of the country.

 

[gnmmarechal]

You do know that Europe has an infastructure way ahead of the US ? Small difference between poor and rich, Free education, Healthcare 50 euro a year, Pills cost like 2 euro a box, cancer treatment costs less then 100 euro's. Dentists cost about 10 euro. Pension money after 45 years of work from the goverment itself. If you don't work you get 1150 euro each month to survive and still not billions in debt. Wow surely you are the most powerful country !!!! Oh and our money is worth more then yours

wait, what? That's not how it works in Portugal O.o.


Not to mention.... those 1150€ don't come out of nowhere. But 1150, what O.o that's like twice the minimum wage here.

 

[kumikochan]

Nothing we can do about it, I don't have a choice of living here thanks to being underemployed. The state I live in has the lowest unemployment rate in the country though, gas prices aren't bad either. But I'd rather not have to pay to move out of the country.

Ofcourse you shouldn't but your goverment should be reformed. 2 many rich people in your goverment wich is wrong. A country should be run by the people itself and not by wealthy families like most politicians come from. The difference with Europe is that in Europe anybody can do politics, i even remember a bar owner here who became a politician and he was very succesful but i don't see stuff like that ever having the chance of happening over there in the US because of the influence of rich people.

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wait, what? That's not how it works in Portugal O.o.


Not to mention.... those 1150€ don't come out of nowhere. But 1150, what O.o that's like twice the minimum wage here.

Belgium eh