Hacking Friend Got Banned Today Even Though He Did Not Connect Pre 11/18/16

[daxtsu]

Simple fact is version 0 cia is dangerous.

Nintendo can easily check ver 0 + (no cartridge header) = ban

Some eShop games are legitimately version 0 (e.g.: 7th Dragon 3, Dragon Quest 7, Stella Glow, Bravely Second, amongst others) so that conclusion is a bit off, I think.

 

[75mak]

Spotpass is an active wifi connection. your still connected to ninty servers. sleep mode in Spotpass is how the 3ds downloads system update info as well as software shortcuts. the 3ds even transmits data in this state. still, it seems unlikely anyone was banned in Spotpass mode.

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We've been through this in this thread. that's not how it works. if it were we would all be banned for having installed games not hosted on eshop or using homebrew.

Look throughout the history of Pokemon releases from thr DS days. ninty have always tried to implement AP measures to protect their biggest assets and selling games.

Previously they might not have tolerated it, but what they are saying with this SuMo is where it ends. Or at least this is where they will start getting tough to protect their assets.

Pokemon company drives 3ds sales massively and they dont want ti risk that by being soft on pirates with it. thats my explanation.

 

[Sumea]

Some eShop games are legitimately version 0 (e.g.: 7th Dragon 3, Dragon Quest 7, Stella Glow, Bravely Second, amongst others) so that conclusion is a bit off, I think.

I made edit to my post before yours in last page but basically:
These games' cartridge version was also 0. Basically, the games all released in v0 version so v0 was not a red herring for online servers or whatever.

Pokemon sun and moon have delibirately different version strings between the two versions in eShop and both cartridges have v0. He was not saying v0 in general, but v0 in pokemon sun and moon because eShop versions have v16 or v32, this also not being case for any other past game release.

Again, pokemon moon cartridge being v0, pokemon sun cartridge being v0, pokemon moon on eShop being v16 and pokemon sun on eShop being v32 - if you think this is just Nintendo being LOLRANDOM, I do not know what else you are thinking.

 

[nl255]

We've been through this in this thread. that's not how it works. if it were we would all be banned for having installed games not hosted on eshop or using homebrew.

Not necessarily. If that is one of the things they were/are doing then most likely they would only do it with SuMo at first and if it works then do it with future games. Thus, homebrew would not trigger the system and currently installed games wouldn't trigger it either unless and until those titles were added to the list of ones to do the v0 check for. If I were implementing such a system that is how I would do it, start with something big like SuMo and if it works well enough then do the same for future game releases.

Some eShop games are legitimately version 0 (e.g.: 7th Dragon 3, Dragon Quest 7, Stella Glow, Bravely Second, amongst others) so that conclusion is a bit off, I think.

Exactly, which is why if they are doing that it would only be done for game titles in a specific whitelist rather than for everything.

 

[75mak]

Forget all the v0 cias ....i'm only talking about pokemon sumo for now. maybe mario maker will be similar too.

Ninty dont strike me as a company would do this retrospective banning on obscure titles from the past. But with pokemon they have obviously taken a harder stance. it makes sense as pokemon is the one game that people will buy a 3ds console for.

Its quite obvious if you have ver 0 pokemon sumo, delete and hope you havnt been flagged yet.

 

[WeedZ]

Not necessarily. If that is one of the things they were/are doing then most likely they would only do it with SuMo at first and if it works then do it with future games. Thus, homebrew would not trigger the system and currently installed games wouldn't trigger it either unless and until those titles were added to the list of ones to do the v0 check for. If I were implementing such a system that is how I would do it, start with something big like SuMo and if it works well enough then do the same for future game releases.




Exactly, which is why if they are doing that it would only be done for game titles in a specific whitelist rather than for everything.

Yeah, except this isn't an automated ban and there isn't any header conflicts to trigger it.

Forget all the v0 cias ....i'm only talking about pokemon sumo for now. maybe mario maker will be similar too.

Ninty dont strike me as a company would do this retrospective banning on obscure titles from the past. But with pokemon they have obviously taken a harder stance. it makes sense as pokemon is the one game that people will buy a 3ds console for.

Its quite obvious if you have ver 0 pokemon sumo, delete and hope you havnt been flagged yet.

They aren't banning by version. they are banning by access to game servers before release. if they could do it by looking up the header and comparing versions, they would have hit anyone that played it from the beginning. Clearly that didn't happen. you guys are caught up on this and there's no evidence to support it. this thread is the only reported case and it highly questionable.

 

[75mak]

Yeah, except this isn't an automated ban and there isn't any header conflicts to trigger it.


They aren't banning by version. they are banning by access to game servers before release. if they could do it by looking up the header and comparing versions, they would have hit anyone that played it from the beginning. Clearly that didn't happen. you guys are caught up on this and there's no evidence to support it. this thread is the only reported case and it highly questionable.

Yes anyone who accessed their online services WITH THOSE CONDITIONS (i.e. ver 0 and header) as thats the agreeme ts you sign up to when you use them.

 

[WeedZ]

Yes anyone who accessed their online services WITH THOSE CONDITIONS (i.e. ver 0 and header) as thats the agreeme ts you sign up to when you use them.

No. anyone that accessed their services prior to release. no one's been banned after that yet. so you can't definitely say that's the reason. in fact, it suggests otherwise.

 

[x65943]

No. anyone that accessed their services prior to release. no one's been banned after that yet. so you can't definitely say that's the reason. in fact, it suggests otherwise.

No one's reported being banned after release in their region, that is. A guy from Germany (where the game is not officially released) just reported a ban.

 

[WeedZ]

No one's reported being banned after release in their region, that is. A guy from Germany (where the game is not officially released) just reported a ban.

Exactly, that supports my arguement. he played before his regions release date. thank you

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People are fixated on this version thing when they clearly don't know how headers work. I blame the "have you been banned" thread. bunch of kids spouting off theories when they don't know what theyre talking about. Granted, it sounds good. but it's clearly not the case when bans stop in every region once the release date is met.

 

[invaderyoyo]

I played Moon while my 3ds was online, but didn't use any of the online features. I haven't been banned, yet, and was using the leaked cia.

It really does seem like using the online features before release is what's getting people banned.

 

[Meteo]

Yeah, except this isn't an automated ban and there isn't any header conflicts to trigger it.


They aren't banning by version. they are banning by access to game servers before release. if they could do it by looking up the header and comparing versions, they would have hit anyone that played it from the beginning. Clearly that didn't happen. you guys are caught up on this and there's no evidence to support it. this thread is the only reported case and it highly questionable.

there are a couple of reported cases in the other megathread that claimed they used v0 cia but didnt go online until after release, but like you said, its highly questionable since there are so few cases.

 

[WeedZ]

I played Moon while my 3ds was online, but didn't use any of the online features. I haven't been banned, yet, and was using the leaked cia.

It really does seem like using the online features before release is what's getting people banned.

Same here

 

[godstriker8]

I played Moon while my 3ds was online, but didn't use any of the online features. I haven't been banned, yet, and was using the leaked cia.

It really does seem like using the online features before release is what's getting people banned.

Yep. I think it's probably fine to use the Lunatic leak online now, but all this paranoia made me finally get around to installing freeshop.

And on a side note, freeshop is sooooo good.

 

[BADDINOROX99]

I've been going online with the leak versions from last week ever since it's been released in my region and I have not been banned both are v.0

Seriously this paranoia needs to stop already obviously anybody that's been banned was clearly a jackass who accessed online features before release date

People who are still reporting getting banned I'm pretty sure are people who shouldn't even have the game yet I'm looking at you Europe


STOP!!!

 

[xBleedingSoulx]

I've been going online with the leak versions from last week ever since it's been released in my region and I have not been banned both are v.0

Seriously this paranoia needs to stop already obviously anybody that's been banned was clearly a jackass who accessed online features before release date

People who are still reporting getting banned I'm pretty sure are people who shouldn't even have the game yet I'm looking at you Europe


STOP!!!

Have you been turning your 3DS off between playing? As the ban only registers after rebooting or turning off the 3DS. Also, did you connect online in Festival Plaza and use Wonder Trade? As that also seems to be what triggered the ban. If you did both of these and still aren't banned, it seems safe now.

 

[BADDINOROX99]

Have you been turning your 3DS off between playing? As the ban only registers after rebooting or turning off the 3DS. Also, did you connect online in Festival Plaza and use Wonder Trade? As that also seems to be what triggered the ban. If you did both of these and still aren't banned, it seems safe now.

Yes I have been turning it on and off after accessing the Festival Plaza after using GTS and wonder trade. I have been using my Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire copies to check if I have been banned I have not been banned

 

[BADDINOROX99]

this paranoia needs to stop it's consuming these forums

 

[Sachka]

Living in France since 2014, brought my American 3DS with me, been playing online with all my pleasure since 11/18/16 00:01 NY time with first leaked moon version, no issue whatsoever, everything is working fine.

 

[gamesquest1]

simple fact is everyone got too comfortable with piraring and thought they were invincible, Nintendo may have been able to detect this for a while but think about this logically, when is the best time to ban a bunch of kids games consoles?

a) near Christmas so their parents buy them a new one

b) near Christmas to drive people away from second hand consoles for Christmas presents

c) on the release of a very popular game to trigger the biggest scare effect for b) to be achieved plus driving potential Christmas time pirates to jump the legit game train

the same tactic has been used by Microsoft and Sony, you will notice nearly every console ban wave happens oct-dec