Do You Believe In God?

[bannana2]

Would you believe me if I told you that their are multiple Gods and that they are very much physical and spiritual at the same time? What if I told you this as a fact, but didn't want you to take it on face value. So, I will tell you to become an atheist because its better for your mind.

 

[Jack_Sparrow]

Number 622

Woah this discussion is really growing!

 

[bannana2]

Hmm...I wonder who thought ' doubt that' mere seconds ago...interesting. Excuse me, I meant they thought 'I doubt that' and I don't' think it was the original poster.

 

[grossaffe]

What is this about bicycles and engines not following the laws of physics?

 

[FAST6191]

"A good example is the bicycle which follows no laws of motion based physics and is also the most efficient means of transportation for energy created and used."

Do what now? Push bikes are used for loads of examples of elementary motion based physics and basic engineering and there is nothing really what you would call unknown about them as a concept. Also most efficient? The wind resistance/aerodynamics of the average push bike are terrible.

"The theories of relativity, quantum science, and astrophysics are nothing but approximations of observed facts and inherently flawed. A good example is the bicycle which follows no laws of motion based physics and is also the most efficient means of transportation for energy created and used."
The motion based physics, despite still being a useful abstraction, are supplanted by quantum mechanics which in turn nobody is encouraged to not question if they can do so.

"instead referencing materials of the greats rather than exploring themselves."
Again any of the "greats" can be questioned, however referencing what came before is the only thing that allows people do anything to progress within a human lifetime. I am not sure how the experiment would get set up* but I would be impressed if you gave people a reasonably comfortable existence and some motivation to figure things out if they even got to the laws of motion within a lifetime.
*progress of science being pretty closely linked to the progress of tech which in turn tends to influence the quality of life. Diseases and natural disasters get in the way from time to time but even there the whole adversity breeds ingenuity thing comes into play, indeed that is why war was not included in the opening part.

 

[Yil]

Wow, 31 very long pages, they started short and simple and just got longer and longer. I'll try to make this long.

Technologist and Agnostic in the sense that I don't believe nor disbelieve as neither has any impact on who I am or how I live. I'm also Chaotic Good, having no real use for laws and regulations and instead doing what I feel is right despite what society may think. I'm not sure if I want an afterlife or not. Even if I was god there, I would someday grow board and find myself sleeping trillions of years away because of it. I might also find myself creating a universe simply to get idea's or help ease the passing of eternity.

I think the idea of a beginning is a flawed human concept created by a possibly unique life and death cycle. The universe is both timeless and infinite and abstract from any laws concocted by humans. The theories of relativity, quantum science, and astrophysics are nothing but approximations of observed facts and inherently flawed. A good example is the bicycle which follows no laws of motion based physics and is also the most efficient means of transportation for energy created and used. There is also an experimental space engine that creates momentum with electricity but since it doesn't follow the laws of physics, scientist who should be open minded instead reject the working prototype since it doesn't fit in their cookie cutter ideas of how the universe works. People have become close minded, instead referencing materials of the greats rather than exploring themselves.

That's how I feel about it.

First, eternity is pointless without time, where such state have occured before. Second, with infinite imagination and being infinitely knowledgable about our reality you can create a new universe which I do not know if the creator would allow, but I think he is too wise to bother with you.
And second bicycle is at most university year one physics as soon as you get on circular motion. Plasma thrust seems to be rely on the somehow increased momentum of electricity potential which enhances its micro level movements, thus carrying momentum in a way we cannot imagine, which is not even to the level of quantum physics. It seems catholics are not so closed minded as I have believed.
Lots of banning only happens after catholic priests gets power lusted as other believes, even just in terms of logic are forbidden as it will prevent growth of catholics chruches and thus their personal power. I am still pissed how they label all other gods as demons even if the main gods are never classified as the creator.
As someone slightly knowledgable, satanism (specifically the church of satan) is one of the most ancient religion, their main entity is an evil diety, has nothing to do with "force of nature" of sort, and they have been enemies of other old religions. I have considered taking them down but I do not want to be responsible for killing millions even if their god is the devil and in non christian sense.

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Would you believe me if I told you that their are multiple Gods and that they are very much physical and spiritual at the same time? What if I told you this as a fact, but didn't want you to take it on face value. So, I will tell you to become an atheist because its better for your mind.

Aye, but you also must know that there are hell and a specific devil in other religions. Even in mythical practices dealing with the devil is the last thing you want to do. Not to mention that the devil cannot really offer what I seek if I choose to give up morality and let my minds be corrupted, which is why I must be in perfect control of myself. As the old saying "hope for the best, prepare for the worst".

 

[Kayot]

Time is a concept created by memory and prediction. It might not really exist as we perceive it.

 

[Muffins]

Time is a concept created by memory and prediction. It might not really exist as we perceive it.

Am I butterfly dreaming I'm a man? Or a bowling ball dreaming I'm a plate of sashimi? Never assume what you see and feel is real!

 

[Yil]

Time is a concept created by memory and prediction. It might not really exist as we perceive it.

We refer changes as time, since we cannot understand how changes happen without time.

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Am I butterfly dreaming I'm a man? Or a bowling ball dreaming I'm a plate of sashimi? Never assume what you see and feel is real!

That was quite a Taoism (philosophy, not magick) statement. Want to talk about that?
And all is our feelings, it matter little if it is the 'real' world, since the experience exist it is to be real.

 

[bi388]

I am atheist. However, I believe that if god does exist (which I am not 100% positive he doesnt) he 1. cares more about how good you were than what you believed, and would let any good person into heaven and 2. isnt all powerful, otherwise he would certainly be trying harder to make the world nicer. Just my thoughts I cant imagine god telling some Hindu "well you spent your life saving little kids lives but you didnt worship me every week so you cant go to heaven"

 

[Muffins]

That was quite a Taoism (philosophy, not magick) statement. Want to talk about that?
And all is our feelings, it matter little if it is the 'real' world, since the experience exist it is to be real.

It was from Chrono Trigger.

 

[osaka35]

It was from Chrono Trigger.

+100 points for chrono trigger reference.

That was quite a Taoism (philosophy, not magick) statement. Want to talk about that?
And all is our feelings, it matter little if it is the 'real' world, since the experience exist it is to be real.

I tend to find philosophy lacking when it's not grounded in reality. Hopefully you'll agree that those without a solid grounding in reality/critical thinking/science that partake in philosophy because "it's totally deep", tend to just get their head stuck up their butt, smelling how sweet their thought roses are, insisting if you don't like it you just "don't get it". The best philosophers, I've found, are those that operate with the highest level of critical thinking and have an extremely grounded understanding of how reality really is.

But fortune cookie sayings are fun too as long as you don't take them too seriously.

 

[RodrigoDavy]

In order for this to happen you would need complex hydrocarbons and time, again where does that come from? Chemical reactions in the right environment (aka catalyst), cannot happen within a void. Again, you go back far enough the same question pops up, what is the catalyst?

I'm just going to point out that scientists did an experiment simulating Earth hostile environment before life existed. The results that they managed to obtain complex organic molecules necessary to life. Hence "Chemical reactions in the right environment (aka catalyst), can happen within a void (not an actual void, but I guess that was not what you meant anyway)"

If you want to find out what the catalyst just search the experiment on google.

 

[SomecallmeBerto]

TC,

No to both your questions. Why well we have seen no objective proof of such things. All we have are testaments from people saying they feel God and/or the Holy Spirit but I want to see real proof of this. A lot of what is in the bible has been disproven by science; and the things that we don't know...well we don't know in the moment.

Could there be a God? Yeah sure but I want to know why he doesn't just show himself.

 

[osaka35]

I'm just going to point out that scientists did an experiment simulating Earth hostile environment before life existed. The results that they managed to obtain complex organic molecules necessary to life. Hence "Chemical reactions in the right environment (aka catalyst), can happen within a void (not an actual void, but I guess that was not what you meant anyway)"

If you want to find out what the catalyst just search the experiment on google.

To add to this, hydrocarbons are the second most abundant compounds in the universe, after water. As the most abundant three reactive elements in the universe are(in descending order) hydrogen, oxygen, and carbon, hydrocarbons (hydrogen and carbon) are going to be the second most common, behind water (hydrogen and oxygen). Helium is the #2 element in the universe, but it is inert.

 

[Yil]

I'm just going to point out that scientists did an experiment simulating Earth hostile environment before life existed. The results that they managed to obtain complex organic molecules necessary to life. Hence "Chemical reactions in the right environment (aka catalyst), can happen within a void (not an actual void, but I guess that was not what you meant anyway)"

If you want to find out what the catalyst just search the experiment on google.

There was no direct indication that the only outcome of micro structure is molecules, or the atoms.

 

[osaka35]

There was no direct indication that the only outcome of micro structure is molecules, or the atoms.

outcome of micro structure is molecules or atoms? I don't follow your meaning.

 

[Yil]

outcome of micro structure is molecules or atoms? I don't follow your meaning.

It means form we know of and are built from is merely a possibility. Things could be completely different on both micro and grand scale, in forms we do not know of.

 

[osaka35]

It means form we know of and are built from is merely a possibility. Things could be completely different on both micro and grand scale, in forms we do not know of.

I'm not sure if English isn't your first language, or if you're trying to convey something that I'm missing. Trying to give you the benefit of the doubt. What we know exist does exist, but yes, we're still trying to understand the quantum level and beyond and the universal scale of things and beyond, and how that relates to what we know about things at our level. Is that what you mean?

 

[Yil]

I'm not sure if English isn't your first language, or if you're trying to convey something that I'm missing. Trying to give you the benefit of the doubt. What we know exist does exist, but yes, we're still trying to understand the quantum level and beyond and the universal scale of things and beyond, and how that relates to what we know about things at our level. Is that what you mean?

What I means is that life does not need to be based on organic compounds, molecules or even atoms, like the organism we know of and a part of.