Hacking Datel Powersaves now supports Pokemon X/Y

[MjnMixael]

google search "kickstarter 3ds decapping" and the thread will come up right at the top. Wowza.

 

[RemixDeluxe]

Wait, was that a real thing?
I thought you invented it to ridiculize Leo...

Yes it was a legit thing(unfortunatly), some random asshole came on here proclaiming to have the means to decap a 3DS and provide the inner workings to doners and developers alike. When the funding reached its $2000 limit they asked for $500 more since there was "unforseen fees". Someone donated the $500 and the kickstarters were never heard from again.

A lot of reputable people from this site backed them up too, people really put a lot of faith into some group that spawned out of nowhere.

 

[Reisyukaku]

Yes it was a legit thing(unfortunatly), some random asshole came on here proclaiming to have the means to decap a 3DS and provide the inner workings to doners and developers alike. When the funding reached its $2000 limit they asked for $500 more since there was "unforseen fees". Someone donated the $500 and the kickstarters were never heard from again.

A lot of reputable people from this site backed them up too, people really put a lot of faith into some group that spawned out of nowhere.

Why does this shit cost so much anyhow? Isn't it just soaking a chip in nitric acid and looking at it under a microscope? Seems like something I could do at school.

 

[thagrouch]

Yes it was a legit thing(unfortunatly), some random asshole came on here proclaiming to have the means to decap a 3DS and provide the inner workings to doners and developers alike. When the funding reached its $2000 limit they asked for $500 more since there was "unforseen fees". Someone donated the $500 and the kickstarters were never heard from again.

A lot of reputable people from this site backed them up too, people really put a lot of faith into some group that spawned out of nowhere.

thats crazy, lets hope they were able to dispute the charges with their credit card company afterwards, assuming that it didnt take them long to notice these people disappeared with their money ....

2nd, allot of these people who cant wait lol need to take a note from cartman, go freeze them selves. (jk guys dont do it)

lastly, so glad the ball modifier exist, its all i ever really wanted from powersaves this whole time, shout out the team for making that happen.

 

[RemixDeluxe]

Why does this shit cost so much anyhow? Isn't it just soaking a chip in nitric acid and looking at it under a microscope? Seems like something I could do at school.

The kickstarters claim to have high quality telescopes at a university somewhere that could take photos of each chip layer of the 3DS and each snapshot is very costly. I didn't run the kickstater but thats why they claimed to have needed so much. Obviously seeing that now it was just bullshit.

 

[aftokinito]

Why does this shit cost so much anyhow? Isn't it just soaking a chip in nitric acid and looking at it under a microscope? Seems like something I could do at school.

The problem is that you need a clean environment and a perfect recipe in order not to destroy some of the tracks accidentally.
As this is not something that is widely available the funding is needed for two things: Purchasing equipment to get a clean environment or renting lab hours and purchasing various 3DS to experiment with different nitric acid quantitites, etc.
There are also some other way more expensive methods of reverse engineering a SoC shuch as high resolution X-Ray imaging that would be much much more effective but those are totally out of the budget of any kickstarter.

Decaping the chip won't reveal the AES key though.

PS: I'm not saying that's what they needed the money for, those are just examples of uses you can give to that money.

 

[Snailface]

Maybe finding the bootrom via decapping can indirectly lead to the AES keys? I dunno.

Anyway, with a little patience GBAtemp could have saved $2300 by asking these guys to do it for free (which they are currently doing)
http://gaasedelen.blogspot.com/2014/03/depackaging-nintendo-3ds-cpu.html

 

[aftokinito]

Maybe finding the bootrom via decapping can indirectly lead to the AES keys? I dunno.

Anyway, with a little patience GBAtemp could have saved $2300 by asking these guys to do it for free (which they are currently doing)
http://gaasedelen.blogspot.com/2014/03/depackaging-nintendo-3ds-cpu.html

Even with the bootrom, you cannot get the AES key.
However, studying the 3DS' SoC can lead to the discovery of a kernel level exploit which is all we need.

To put it simple, we do not need the AES key, we just need kernel level access to the 3DS' firmware so we can use the console's AES engine chip to sing/unsign whatever we want.
It is also worth noting that since AES is a symetric encryptation algorithm, anyone with a hacked 3DS CAN sign files for you and they will work fine on your console.
All the 3DS consoles share the same AES Key.

 

[Reisyukaku]

Even with the bootrom, you cannot get the AES key.
However, studying the 3DS' SoC can lead to the discovery of a kernel level exploit which is all we need.

To put it simple, we do not need the AES key, we just need kernel level access to the 3DS' firmware so we can use the console's AES engine chip to sing/unsign whatever we want.
It is also worth noting that since AES is a symetric encryptation algorithm, anyone with a hacked 3DS CAN sign files for you and they will work fine on your console.
All the 3DS consoles share the same AES Key.

symetric just means you can use the same key to both encrypt and decrypt.. but i digress

 

[aftokinito]

symetric just means you can use the same key to both encrypt and decrypt.. but i digress

Symetric means there's only one key for both encrypting and decrypting.
The basic principle of encryptation is that each possible output should only be reachable by one input-key pair.
If each 3DS has its own AES key, then what key do you sign the games with?
It's pure logic.

 

[Reisyukaku]

Symetric means there's only one key for both encrypting and decrypting.
The basic principle of encryptation is that each possible output should only be reachable by one input-key pair.
If each 3DS has its own AES key, then what key do you sign the games with?
It's pure logic.

I dont understand what you're getting at.. assuming every 3DS had a unique key, it'd still be able to encrypt/decrypt or sign the game.. just like the keyY

 

[LordVanitas]

Well for those who don't have a Diance, or just want a legit one... July 19 is the distribution date so we can hope Datel will re-release the codes around that time.

 

[aftokinito]

I dont understand what you're getting at.. assuming every 3DS had a unique key, it'd still be able to encrypt/decrypt or sign the game.. just like the keyY

http://www.cs.bc.edu/~straubin/cs381-05/blockciphers/rijndael_ingles2004.swf

 

[Babali]

Well for those who don't have a Diance, or just want a legit one... July 19 is the distribution date so we can hope Datel will re-release the codes around that time.

Great news. Not that far away. Personally I've just been loving the Wondercard Generator code. Got lots of new HA Pokes that I wanted.

And they even added that Pokeball code? That's really cool.

 

[RemixDeluxe]

Maybe finding the bootrom via decapping can indirectly lead to the AES keys? I dunno.

Anyway, with a little patience GBAtemp could have saved $2300 by asking these guys to do it for free (which they are currently doing)
http://gaasedelen.blogspot.com/2014/03/depackaging-nintendo-3ds-cpu.html

We live in a world where we demand results and want one minute burritos turned into 30 second burritos, ever heard of the saying "a fool and his money are soon parted", people these days want it now even if it comes at a price.

That was a good read btw.

 

[aftokinito]

We live in a world where we demand results and want one minute burritos turned into 30 second burritos, ever heard of the saying "a fool and his money are soon parted", people these days want it now even if it comes at a price.

That was a good read btw.

I have to admit, I thought you were an asshole when I first read this thread but, now that I've seen such subjects as Leo or leerpsp, you're my idol.
Great burrito analogy!

/Ontopic
@Datel: Please, my lovely Datel, may you pretty please add an IV modifying code? It does not need to be perfect 6IV code but something like 5IV, even if random, would be very much appreciated <333 xoxo.

 

[RemixDeluxe]

I have to admit, I thought you were an asshole when I first read this thread but, now that I've seen such subjects as Leo or leerpsp, you're my idol.
Great burrito analogy!

/Ontopic
@Datel: Please, my lovely Datel, may you pretty please add an IV modifying code? It does not need to be perfect 6IV code but something like 5IV, even if random, would be very much appreciated <333 xoxo.

Meh, I could care less what people think of me online. I just say it how it is and yes I literally had a friend that was so impatient he wondered why they havent invented 30 second burritos.

As far as getting 5IV pokemon thats easy, just Pokegen a ditto from 5th gen, use Pokebank (have to pay at this point $5 but totally worth it) to transfer over and you got yourself an all in one breeding Pokemon. Make sure to give it a good nature while it holds an everstone, the everstone guarantees the nature passes over and have the other parent hold destiny knot. If you keep breeding with its offspring eventually you'll get yourself a 5IV Pokemon in less than an hour guaranteed.

Of course a code from Datel would be sweeter but I wouldnt hold my breathe.

 

[leerpsp]

So after working at it and missing up a old save back up I needed for got to make a copy of it. I have not gotten any were with putting one cart save on another cart I will still work at it but I don't think I'm going to get more done then what others have. ( after this I'm gonna stick to modding game system's).