Could unauthorized streaming become illegal?

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The Obama administration wants to make unauthorized streaming illegal. And while it mainly means movies, music, tv shows... what about games? If you don't have the permission to stream on twitch or something... then what? Or are video games just magically exempt?

Although pressure from activists and major tech companies helped kill off the Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA) last year, it looks as though the Obama administration wants to bring a key part of it back from the grave. The Washington Post reports that the Department of Commerce’s Internet Policy Task Force last week released a report that recommended classifying illegal content streaming as a felony.

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It's already not legal to broadcast material you have no rights too.

Sometimes I suspect these laws are just passed so the politicians can placate the entertainment industry.

Like a cat bringing you a mouse as if to say "Look I caught this for you!".

Laws that are insanely difficult to enforce are as useful as a third testicle.
 

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Jesus Christ, no. I thought you were smarter than this, ShadowSoldier. The law is meant to punish the operators, not the viewers. Please edit your original post to show that.

Right now, if a website operator intentionally and illegally streams copyright works, then that operator can be criminally charged with either (1) misdemeanor violations of 17 U.S.C. 506(a)(1)(A) and 18 U.S.C. 2319(b)(3) that could result in a maximum sentence of less than one year in prison/violation or, (2) felony violations of 18 U.S.C. 1961-68 that could result in a maximum sentence of 20 years in prison/violation.
BUT if the same website operator were intentionally aiding, abetting, conspiring to cause, or causing the illegal downloading of the same works, then existing law would let prosecutors deal with intermediate cases by charging a pirate-website-operator with felonies that could result in, (for example), an intermediate sentence of 5 years/violation. See, e.g., 506 U.S.C. 506(a)(1)(B); 18 U.S.C. 2319(c).
This quirk of existing law makes no sense: in streaming-piracy cases, it forces prosecutors cases to charge either less-than-a-year misdemeanors, or 20-year felonies—even though they would have several intermediate options had the same piracy case involved downloading. The report noted merely proposes that the intermediate charges that the law already provides in cases involving Internet-piracy-by-downloading should also be available in cases involving Internet-piracy-by-streaming. If there is some substantive problem with this notion of proportionality, then this article has failed to identify it.

Straight from Reddit / Washington Post, which is more professional than this stupid journalist. Please change the source to reflect on this as well before we get a flame war.
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Not that I don't disagree with this law.
 

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obama-as-hitler.jpg


This picture it made me laugh a little.
 

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Well games are a form of media; they're just a bit more interactive than Blu-ray movies, etc. Doesn't unauthorized mean illegal, or is it just a very close synonym? I wouldn't authorize you to file for disability using my social security card, but if you decided to do that, then it would be illegal. And unauthorized. But of course I'll never get to tell them that.
 

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I think the answer is in the question... unauthorized === illegal

I am not entirely sure where you are heading with that but for the benefit of others reading we probably should note that in the US there are various levels of crimes with various punishments associated with them, some of which will follow you for a long time afterwards. This proposal seems to be dealing with what would appear to be an oddity in the legal statutes that does not allow for much variation between the utterly minor stuff and the "you own your own high bandwidth servers and rent them out" type things.
 
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I am not entirely sure where you are heading with that but for the benefit of others reading we probably should note that in the US there are various levels of crimes with various punishments associated with them, some of which will follow you for a long time afterwards. This proposal seems to be dealing with what would appear to be an oddity in the legal statutes that does not allow for much variation between the utterly minor stuff and the "you own your own high bandwidth servers and rent them out" type things.


wow the last sentence (of the two) seemed 'complex'.

basically why is something unauthorized? its because its illegal isn't it?
 

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wow the last sentence (of the two) seemed 'complex'.

basically why is something unauthorized? its because its illegal isn't it?

Ah OK.

The license to read this post beyond this sentence says you will have to provide me with your first born child.
If you are now reading this you owe me your first born child, of course that is against basically every human rights law and contract going so that will not be happening.
It gets far more complex than that though when contract law comes into play, as it does with any other time that law gets involved, and I could be doing unauthorised things with a piece of IP (Microsoft licensing is legendary for this) almost without realising it. Prior to this and mentioned earlier on we have the things like let's play and youtube so we get to discuss the nature of fair use and that can be a fine line as well. Twisting it again you are quite free to overclock your devices but if I am a manufacturer/seller then in doing so I might not have to honour your warranty.

The short version is just because something is unauthorised does not mean it is illegal. Likewise illegal is an actual term or a nonspecific term depending upon how you are viewing things -- in America there are basic/state laws, federal laws and variations within both of those (technically there is such a thing as a federal misdemeanor but for most there is a line between misdemeanor, felony and federal crimes) to say nothing of civil laws (where a lot of IP stuff falls actually), arguably this is all related to what is being discussed in this thread where apparently the sentencing guidelines and laws (when actual criminal laws are used anyway) allow for the "slap on the wrist" or "lock you up and throw away the key" with nothing much in the middle.
 

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Something already illegal under preexisting law is going to remain illegal? Thanks, Obama.

I'm so sorry, Ron Paul. We could have prevented all of this. We only had to listen!
 

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Ah OK.

The license to read this post beyond this sentence says you will have to provide me with your first born child.
If you are now reading this you owe me your first born child, of course that is against basically every human rights law and contract going so that will not be happening.
It gets far more complex than that though when contract law comes into play, as it does with any other time that law gets involved, and I could be doing unauthorised things with a piece of IP (Microsoft licensing is legendary for this) almost without realising it. Prior to this and mentioned earlier on we have the things like let's play and youtube so we get to discuss the nature of fair use and that can be a fine line as well. Twisting it again you are quite free to overclock your devices but if I am a manufacturer/seller then in doing so I might not have to honour your warranty.

The short version is just because something is unauthorised does not mean it is illegal. Likewise illegal is an actual term or a nonspecific term depending upon how you are viewing things -- in America there are basic/state laws, federal laws and variations within both of those (technically there is such a thing as a federal misdemeanor but for most there is a line between misdemeanor, felony and federal crimes) to say nothing of civil laws (where a lot of IP stuff falls actually), arguably this is all related to what is being discussed in this thread where apparently the sentencing guidelines and laws (when actual criminal laws are used anyway) allow for the "slap on the wrist" or "lock you up and throw away the key" with nothing much in the middle.



ok i kinda get what u are saying but I pulled out in case I explode

and fine you can have her/him as long as you can pay for trip to Tanzania
 

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