So I hit the point where they said that they were just asking for enough to cover their living expenses while developing and quit watching. Don't fucking quit your jobs. I'd rather think my money contributed to game production itself than getting some food in your stomach so that it can maybe happen because unlike every other indie developer, these idiots quit their jobs to do this. What are they going to do when this doesn't get funded? Starve to death and live on the streets?
*Cancelled* Project Sweat
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As with many kickstarter campaigns I think they have enough money to fund the project and are just trying to lower their production cost(gain profit sooner).
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It doesn't matter what jobs they had. Any job will equal a steady income (however small or great that income is, is irrelevant). A failed kickstarter project will equal no income.
It's not really debatable that quitting a job before you've even confirmed that people are interested in your project, let alone willing to donate to it, is hasty and premature.
My general rule of investment is I want a return, preferably recurring, and/or a stake for my money or my effort, BortzANATOR is in line with my general rule of investment.
Okay...so you don't care how much they give up for this project. I do. For all I know, those guys were about to be fired* and decided to quit themselves to get the publicity for it.
I agree, though, that it's not debatable that quitting most jobs** is premature. Especially with that kind of tech demo.
*keep in mind, I am NOT saying anything on their adequacy here. There are thousands, if not tens of thousands, who lost their job for reasons that have more to do with the economical climate than their skill at whatever they were doing.
**I've got a side job as voluntary organiser/secretary/writer...while I don't get paid for it, don't make the mistake of saying it's not a job.
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It's one thing to want a good investment. It's another thing for shooting something down just because it's a kickstarter.
Having fun trolling while waiting for your NSA box?
Which is? BTW, there a lot of people with success Kickstarters that don't show there faces.
Panties in a bunch?
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The artwork looks great! If it is only made by two guys, that must have been one hell of a work. Keep up the great work!
If kickstarter almost by definition does not come with shares/equity or a return along similar lines then I do not see it.
If they took the guy out and made this a eroge rpg it wouldnt be so bad
Um... I'm fairly certain they are blacked out so they can look more naked without actually being porn (because the "fuck me" positions weren't suggestive enough). I back a lot of Kickstarter projects, but this one is definitely a pass.
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You shouldn't have to give up your personal financial security for any project. Games should be created within the means of the developer. If they are Kickstarted, then yes, they can quit their jobs (if they get enough money). If they aren't Kickstarted, then they should keep their jobs while continuing to develop their idea further to become more desirable.
Giving up your job is giving up a lot. I am more than aware of that. But in this case, it's pointless sacrifice. They haven't, and likely will not be Kickstarted. They will be left with nothing.
If they were about to get fired, and quit prematurely just for the sake of saying "we did it for the project", then they are being dishonest. You might say that it's justifiable because it's a dog-eat-dog kind of world, but in this case, it makes them look stupid rather than passionate.
Why would I assume that a volunteer position isn't a job? Volunteer positions are fantastic for resumes and gaining experience. Of course it's a job.
Really? I was always told going self employed carried a huge risk of personal financial insolvency. Also given a project will tend to be spun into company status....
In ~2mins proof of concept? Cool.
Do you really think that all they going to put in the game? Other words, not going to happen.If it had a good story I would prob play it. If it were free
Yeah, they probably just hoping to make their game bigger.
Even if that was the case, so what? Suggestive theme =/= bad game concept.
I mean, I understand not liking the concept,but the given reasons not to back it,are borderline stupid.
I'm not following. Are you talking about this Kickstarter specifically? Your investment is the game and how much content is in that game. If it turns out well, you set them up to make more games for you.
Kickstarter almost invariably does not return me any money or something I can sell like stocks that I can sell for money. If that alone was not enough to call bad investment strategy then it also has all the downsides of regular investment (and probably a few more as far as a lack of any retaliation I might have available to me).
I can then say kickstarter as it is usually defined is a bad investment strategy and thus one that could be dismissed. The option to fund both from traditional publishers and kickstarter at the same time is something worth considering if I am playing traditional investor but that is a different discussion. Likewise I can see merit in the model if you just want games but looking at it as a businessman I can dismiss it.
I can see this causing some issues as there are various laws governing what your company does as far as shareholders go and what you do as a company when you get many shareholders (some have speculated this is what saw facebook do their IPO).
"you set them up to make more games for you."
I do this with traditional investment too -- I stick in some money or some work and get a few shares which I can then sell or get a recurring return on. In some cases I might get a project level return but that is still a return.
They still had a lot of time left, but the project was still cancelled. No reason given yet.
A shame since I thought they had a chance to make the main goal.
A shame since I thought they had a chance to make the main goal.
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GBATEMP needs to stop plugging this. The crowd funding has been cancelled 18 hours ago..despite they said they are still developing it? o_o
Think of Kickstarter as a very, very early preorder. The only guarantee you have is that a product vaguely similar to what is being advertized will be released eventually in some shape or form, but there is no guarantee whatsoever that it won't suck. Early adopters often get screwed, extra early adopters doubly so, so it's understandable that some people are wary of throwing their money on a product that long before it's even out.
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