The Gaza Invasion Escalates

[Engert]

I propose that this topic should be deleted also.

 

[ForteGospel]

No, I don't live there, therefore I am the perfect observer and mediator because I have no affiliation with either side of the conflict. It's the parties involved that may suffer from favouritism, not the outsiders.

thanks from omitting the rest of my post

 

[Foxi4]

I propose that this topic should be deleted also.

Give one good reason.

thanks from omitting the rest of my post

Why would I mention the rest if I had no comment about it?

Any "variety" in the approach towards a citizen is wrong, be it favouritism or mistreatment. Every citizen should be treated according to the same rules regardless of ethnicity. I thought I made that clear.

 

[Engert]

Give one good reason.

Because people can.

 

[Foxi4]

Because people can.

Give one good reason.

 

[dickfour]

Isn't it nice how Hamas sets up their rocket sites next to playgrounds then fires indiscriminately into civilian populations?

 

[Engert]

That's the best reason. And it makes perfect sense. The owner can do whatever he wants in this forum.We're just guests here. I can't figure out the swearing though.

 

[Foxi4]

Isn't it nice how Hamas sets up their rocket sites next to playgrounds then fires indiscriminately into civilian populations?

No, it's not nice at all. In fact, it's quite horrible and they should be ostracized for doing so, however the wrong-doings of Hamas do not validate the policy to "shoot anyways", especially considering the vast technological superiority of IDF. When a missile site cannot be reached by means of a tactical air strike or missile strike, it's obvious that is should be erradicated via different means.

 

[ForteGospel]

Any "variety" in the approach towards a citizen is wrong, be it favouritism or mistreatment. Every citizen should be treated according to the same rules regardless of ethnicity. I thought I made that clear.

IF you were trying to say that, then you are completely right

but saying

There's a number of laws imposed by Israel that are clearly aimed at making the average Arab's life as inconvenient as possible.

is completely wrong, biased by what the media fed you

 

[Foxi4]

is completely wrong, biased by what the media fed you

Then prove it. I gave you my source quotes from Wikipedia and BBC, now you give me yours to validate your statement. Unless you prove I am mistaken with irrefutable evidence, you're all talk and no do.

 

[crystal107]

No, I don't live there, therefore I am the perfect observer and mediator because I have no affiliation with either side of the conflict. It's the parties involved that may suffer from favouritism, not the outsiders.

No, because you don't live here, you have no idea what's actually going on other than what the media tells you.
Since we do, we know what's going on.

Dude, yes, there are laws for this country to keep a safe home for Jews, since guess what? world war two, remember it? yes, killing anything that is called Jew. this is the ONLY country Jews got, ONLY.
Don't expect this country to have a majority of anything else, we got no where else to go, Arabs on the other hand...

 

[Foxi4]

No, because you don't live here, you have no idea what's actually going on other than what the media tells you.
Since we do, we know what's going on.

Dude, yes, there are laws for this country to keep a safe home for Jews, since guess what? world war two, remember it? yes, killing anything that is called Jew. this is the ONLY country Jews got, ONLY.
Don't expect this country to have a majority of anything else, we got no where else to go, Arabs on the other hand...

Ah yes, the famous WWII argument. Oh, the poor Jews - victims till the end of time. Drop it, you won't squeeze a single tear out of me that way.

Poles were victims of the Holocaust as well, so I'm as close to understanding your situation as it's humanly possible and your affiliation to Israel makes you sound bias. Palestine was there *before* Israel was even made a State - in fact, Palestinians were supposed to get their land back once the Mandatory Palestine - a British-governed state, dissolves. Instead, their land was taken and Israel was created in its place. What's done is done, but the high density of Jewish population in this region can be attributed to the fact that they were re-located there from Europe after and during WWII, not because they were "just there".

This used to be Ottoman Empire's territory - Israel was placed there just because a few thousand years old book said so. Nobody asked the Palestinians if it's welcome there and they actively protested against it ever since.

The "Arabs can go elsewhere" argument doesn't fly when this was their home for generations - it's you guys who popped out of nowhere.

 

[ForteGospel]

Then prove it. I gave you my source quotes from Wikipedia and BBC, now you give me yours to validate your statement. Unless you prove I am mistaken with irrefutable evidence, you're all talk and no do.

O have already told you and you omitted it elegantly (and don't expect me to look for sources... i have better things to do with my life...)

also you need to understand, Israel is not against Arabs... otherwise Israel would attack Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Iran, Iraq and all the Arab countries.
Israel is against any terrorist group that becomes a threat against ALL of the citizens of israel... do you think that only Jews live in the south of Israel?

have you heard that Hamas has attacked Jerusalem today? their holy city? where half the population is Arab? are you going to tell me they are a group of freedom fighters for their people? their people want to go to Jerusalem to pry and do their rituals... not go to a destroyed city...

please don't go to the holocaust issue, before the holocaust there were 18 million Jews in the world, after it only 12 remained... a third of the Jew population just disappear

and when the Israel state was created they gave half to Israel half to the Palestine, the Palestine people decided to go to war because they wanted all it....

lastly, we didn't pop out of nowhere... there were Jew establishments before WWII, and the original borders of Palestine and Israel came before the survivors of WWII

leave the religion aside, this is not a Jew~Arab conflict... Israel is not attacking Gaza because they are Arabs and Hamas is not attacking Israel because we are Jews

 

[crystal107]

Ah yes, the famous WWII argument. Oh, the poor Jews - victims till the end of time. Drop it, you won't squeeze a single tear out of me that way.

Poles were victims of the Holocaust as well, so I'm as close to understanding your situation as it's humanly possible and your affiliation to Israel makes you sound bias. Palestine was there *before* Israel was even made a State - in fact, Palestinians were supposed to get their land back once the Mandatory Palestine - a British-governed state, dissolves. Instead, their land was taken and Israel was created in its place. What's done is done, but the high density of Jewish population in this region can be attributed to the fact that they were re-located there from Europe after and during WWII, not because they were "just there".

This used to be Ottoman Empire's territory - Israel was placed there just because a few thousand years old book said so. Nobody asked the Palestinians if it's welcome there and they actively protested againts it ever since.

The "Arabs can go elsewhere" argument doesn't fly when this was their home for generations - it's you guys who popped out of nowhere.

Well, seems logical when jews have no where else to go. saying it was your home 50 years ago is not valid, it wasn't their home for "generations", besides, this place wasn't developed AT ALL, it was pretty much deserted, and the first jews who came here built this country, it's now what it'd never be without those people, and in those 50 years a LOT of things changed, you can't use the argument of "it was mine 50+ years ago! so give it back!", that's kinda stupid, this country has already been declared to be a home for jews for many years by the whole world, it's nationally known for that, you can't just ask the people here to give up all their rights and homes.. we got no where to go, I dont need your tears, but I do wish you were in the same situation, it's easy to sit on your big ass and judge from afar.
If you were to be born here and have no where safe to go, I want to see you give it all up - people worked hard to be able to have a safe land, whether you justify the means or not.

 

[Foxi4]

Well, seems logical when jews have no where else to go. saying it was your home 50 years ago is not valid, it wasn't their home for "generations", besides, this place wasn't developed AT ALL, it was pretty much deserted, and the first jews who came here built this country, it's now what it'd never be without those people, and in those 50 years a LOT of things changed, you can't use the argument of "it was mine 50+ years ago! so give it back!", that's kinda stupid, this country has already been declared to be a home for jews for many years by the whole world, it's nationally known for that, you can't just ask the people here to give up all their rights and homes.. we got no where to go, I dont need your tears, but I do wish you were in the same situation, it's easy to sit on your big ass and judge from afar.
If you were to be born here and have no where safe to go, I want to see you give it all up - people worked hard to be able to have a safe land, whether you justify the means or not.

I'm not saying that Israel should forfeit the entirety of their land, I'm saying that they should forfeit Gaza - there's not a single Jewish person in Gaza, they were all re-located years ago. Declare its independence as a separate state entirely, do the same with Palestine and only then will I have no reasons to complain whatsoever.

It's entirely true that the Jewish settlers developed Israel and practically built Israel as we know it now, but it doesn't change the fact that Palestinians *did* live in Palestine way, way before the Jews were re-located there. The Ottoman Empire started way back in 1453, then it was disbanded and the area was taken care of by the British between 1920 and up till 1948 - throughout all that time, Palestinians considered it their land - they were promised to be given the right to govern it once Mandatory Palestine dissolves. To quote, "When they are ready to govern themselves" - but that never happened, they became a part of Israel instead. Don't you think that if the situation was reversed, you would feel cheated as well? Wouldn't you protect what you believed was rightfuly yours?

50 years is not an accurate description - Palestinians were there for generations, hence their fervor in trying to regain what they believe is theirs to begin with. How would you feel if a foreign, western power came through your door and said that from this day onwards, your land is actually someone else's? At least attempt understanding the situation from their perspective.

 

[ForteGospel]

I'm not saying that Israel should forfeit the entirety of their land, I'm saying that they should forfeit Gaza - there's not a single Jewish person in Gaza, they were all re-located years ago. Declare its independence as a separate state entirely, do the same with Palestine and only then will I have no reasons to complain whatsoever.

It's entirely true that the Jewish settlers developed Israel and practically built Israel as we know it now, but it doesn't change the fact that Palestinians *did* live in Palestine way, way before the Jews were re-located there. The Ottoman Empire started way back in 1453, then it was disbanded and the area was taken care of by the British between 1920 and up till 1948 - throughout all that time, Palestinians considered it their land - they were promised to be given the right to govern it once Mandatory Palestine dissolves. To quote, "When they are ready to govern themselves" - but that never happened, they became a part of Israel instead. Don't you think that if the situation was reversed, you would feel cheated as well? Wouldn't you protect what you believed was rightfully yours?

50 years is not an accurate description - Palestinians were there for generations, hence their fervour in trying to regain what they believe is theirs to begin with. How would you feel if a foreign, western power came through your door and said that from this day onwards, your land is actually someone else's? At least attempt understanding the situation from their perspective.

believe me, Israel will forfeit Gaza when the region will stop being a threat to the Israeli citizens...

we don't want to be there, its sinking the Israeli economy, it doesn't makes us look good by any means... the problem comes when a terrorist group is the one ruling the area

when the Israel state was created they gave half to Israel half to the Palestine, the Palestine people decided to go to war because they wanted all it....

 

[dickfour]

I think Israel should do exactly what China or Russia would do if their neighbor was firing rockets into their cities for no reason except trying to instigate a regional war

 

[Foxi4]

I have already told you and you omitted it elegantly (and font expect me to look for sources... I have better things to do with my life...)

The burden of proof lays in the hands of the person voicing out a statement. If you cannot prove your statement, it can be ignored.

also you need to understand, israel is not against Arabs... otherwise Israel would attack Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Iran, Iraq and all the Arab countries.
Israel is against any terrorist group that becomes a threat against ALL of the citizens of Israel... do you think that only Jews live in the south of Israel?

You mean like how they fought wars with neighboring Arab states during the Arab-Israeli wars (which I'm all for - it's only natural to defend yourself) during the course of which it occupied the West Bank, Sinai Peninsula (between 1967 and 1982), Gaza Strip and the Golan Heights, East Jerusalem (which I'm not for, but what can you do)?

have you heard that Hamas has attacked Jerusalem today? their holy city? where half the population is Arab? are you going to tell me they are a group of freedom fighters for their people? their people want to go to Jerusalem to pry and do their rituals... not go to a destroyed city...

I'm not going to say that, how many times should I repeat that I am not supporting Hamas? I'm supporting Palestinians.

please don't go to the holocaust issue, before the holocaust there were 18 million Jews in the world, after it only 12 remained... a third of the Jew population just disappear

I know that - I'm Polish. We're made aware of the Holocaust very early in our lives as the Death Camps were located here. I can tell you with 100% certainty that Jews were not the only victims.

and when the Israel state was created they gave half to Israel half to the Palestine, the Palestine people decided to go to war because they wanted all it....

Perhaps because they lived their for generations and wanted to finally get their land back.

lastly, we didn't pop out of nowhere... there were Jew establishments before WWII, and the original borders of Palestine and Israel came before the survivors of WWII

I'm not saying that there weren't any Jewish establishments there before WWII, what I'm saying is that the land was predominantly Palestinian (or at the very least Arab) before the re-location process begun.

leave the religion aside, this is not a Jew~Arab conflict... Israel is not attacking Gaza because they are Arabs and Hamas is not attacking Israel because we are Jews

I agree, religion has nothing to do with this - it's a war for territory. I made that clear, I'm using the terms "Arab" and "Jew" in reference to ethnicity.

believe me, Israel will forfeit Gaza when the region will stop being a threat to the Israeli citizens...

we don't want to be there, its sinking the Israeli economy, it doesn't makes us look good by any means... the problem comes when a terrorist group is the one ruling the area

I will eagerly await that day, but until then, my point stands.

 

[ForteGospel]

I'm not going to say that, how many times should I repeat that I am not supporting Hamas? I'm supporting Palestinians.

you were the one to say that Hamas is a freedom fighter group, also if you think about it, you are supporting a group of people that are supporting a terrorist group

Perhaps because they lived their for generations and wanted to finally get their land back.

they would have their land back if they wanted to, instead they went to war which they lost

today we could have been living after 50 years of peace in the region...

I agree, religion has nothing to do with this - it's a war for territory. I made that clear, I'm using the terms "Arab" and "Jew" in reference to ethnicity.

this isn't a war, and no one is fighting for territory...

this is a terrorist group launching rockets into the cities of Israel, while Israel is launching air strikes into those launching sites...

I will eagerly await that day, but until then, my point stands.

I am eagerly awaiting that day, until then Israel will keep defending itself

 

[BlueStar]

Isn't it nice how Hamas sets up their rocket sites next to playgrounds then fires indiscriminately into civilian populations?

Isn't it nice that Israeli barracks are near cities? Isn't it nice that IDF soldiers live in with the general population? Isn't it nice that Israel forces civilians to fight and kill, making them targets? Isn't it nice that Palestinians voting for Hamas seems to make it their own fault when children are slaughtered by IDF attacks, but when Israelis vote for a party determined to continue the system of apartheid and genocide, that's somehow different?