Tennessee poised to ban public drag shows, hormone therapy for children

[lolcatzuru]

I don’t know if I can agree with that, there are micro plastics in just about everything you consume, the meat you eat is full of hormones and the water supply is contaminated with various disrupters, for instance atrazine. I know we like to joke around when Alex Jones says “they’re putting chemicals in the water that turn the freaking frogs gay”, but they kinda are. Not only that, even in the absence of all that, the Y chromosome is progressively losing more and more genes over time, and the reason behind that is somewhat unclear. We don’t actually *know* what makes people gay - we say that they’re “born this way” because we’re accepting and tolerant, but we don’t know why they’re born this way at all. Of course this occurs naturally as well - plenty of animals engage in what would be described as “homosexual activity” in a human context, for instance dolphins. Heck, a dog will hump just about anything. The broader point is that saying “there’s a same amount of gays now as there has always been” seems like one of those [Citation Needed] factoids. You brough up Ancient Greece and Rome, but the context there was very different - perfectly straight men engaged in sexual activities on the regular, but often as a bonding exercise. It was very much cultural. Those same guys went straight back home to their wives right after whatever war they were fighting in has ended.
Can you elaborate?

what about christian doctors? surely one ofthem can be a priest

 

[Foxi4]

what about christian doctors? surely one ofthem can be a priest

I’m sure there are some. In fact, a lot of medical knowledge we have today has been passed down to us by monasteries. It’s just not something you see during mass, so if I have a medical emergency, as a general rule of thumb I go to the hospital, not the church. You know how not all rectangles are squares? Yeah, that.

 

[lolcatzuru]

I’m sure there are some. In fact, a lot of medical knowledge we have today has been passed down to us by monasteries. It’s just not something you see during mass, so if I have a medical emergency, as a general rule of thumb I go to the hospital, not the church. You know how not all rectangles are squares? Yeah, that.

no wonder ive been being recommended weird treatments, also i totally forgot, hello my glorious highness senpai!

 

[Xzi]

actually its not really an objective truth at all, guess youve never been to prison.

Straight men are capable of raping one another when extremely sexually frustrated. Is that really a revelation for you?

My problem with @Xzi’s stance is very simple - he seems to be arguing two points that contradict each other. When it’s a medical decision that he agrees with, that’s good because the parents said so, but when it’s the school curriculum, or the content the children ingest, that’s bad because the parents are not qualified to make such decisions. Well, which is it then? I’ve been quite consistent so far - we do what’s good for the child 100% of the time until the child can decide for itself.

Huh? We agree on that premise: let the child inform themselves and/or consult their parents, and make the decision that they feel is best for them. If that decision is starting to transition right away, or going on hormone blockers, or waiting until they're an adult to reconsider, it's none of our goddamn business. Once again I felt like I was being a better libertarian than you in this discussion, but perhaps it was miscommunication.

How is it hyperbole?

In the implication that you were comparing any/all use of hormone blockers to child abuse, when in reality they're statistically safer than the vast majority of prescription drugs.

 

[lolcatzuru]

Straight men are capable of raping one another when extremely sexually frustrated. Is that really a revelation for you?


Huh? We agree on that premise: let the child inform themselves and/or consult their parents, and make the decision that they feel is best for them. If that decision is starting to transition right away, or going on hormone blockers, or waiting until they're an adult to reconsider, it's none of our goddamn business. Once again I felt like I was being a better libertarian than you in this discussion, but perhaps it was miscommunication.


In the implication that you were comparing any/all use of hormone blockers to child abuse, when in reality they're statistically safer than the vast majority of prescription drugs.

its not at all, see this is the problem, as a pathologically liar, you intentionally avoid arguments you know youl llose.

 

[TomSwitch]

What is age appropriate for children is up for debate.

Why can't I bring a 10 year old to watch Fast X??? Why? Why?

Will that 10 year old then drive daddy's car off a cliff?

 

[lolcatzuru]

Straight men are capable of raping one another when extremely sexually frustrated. Is that really a revelation for you?


Huh? We agree on that premise: let the child inform themselves and/or consult their parents, and make the decision that they feel is best for them. If that decision is starting to transition right away, or going on hormone blockers, or waiting until they're an adult to reconsider, it's none of our goddamn business. Once again I felt like I was being a better libertarian than you in this discussion, but perhaps it was miscommunication.


In the implication that you were comparing any/all use of hormone blockers to child abuse, when in reality they're statistically safer than the vast majority of prescription drugs.

lupron is in no way safter than most prescription drugs, at all.

 

[Xzi]

there are micro plastics in just about everything you consume, the meat you eat is full of hormones and the water supply is contaminated with various disrupters, for instance atrazine. I know we like to joke around when Alex Jones says “they’re putting chemicals in the water that turn the freaking frogs gay”, but they kinda are.

And by "they" you mean corporate capitalist dipshits? That can be attributed more to the relentless pursuit of short-term profits, at any cost, over the span of several decades, rather than any planned conspiracy. You're correct in that the result is the same though, best to be as scrupulous about where you source your food and water as possible.

 

[Foxi4]

no wonder ive been being recommended weird treatments, also i totally forgot, hello my glorious highness senpai!

That’s right.

Straight men are capable of raping one another when extremely sexually frustrated. Is that really a revelation for you?

Does that apply to Greece and Rome?

Huh? We agree on that premise: let the child inform themselves and/or consult their parents, and make the decision that they feel is best for them. If that decision is starting to transition right away, or going on hormone blockers, or waiting until they're an adult to reconsider, it's none of our goddamn business. Once again I felt like I was being a better libertarian than you in this discussion, but perhaps it was miscommunication.

We don’t agree on the premise then. Yes, I do think the child should be the one making the decision - the agreement breaks down when you presuppose that said child is ready to make that decision at a very young age, but not ready at all for a zillion other things you’d never allow the child to do due to said young age. You can’t simultaneously believe that someone is old enough to do irreversible damage to their body by way of ingesting drugs, but not old enough to do other drugs, like alcohol or weed - that doesn’t follow. Heck, maybe weed would actually help with their anxiety? Roll a spliff for the kid, have some compassion.

In the implication that you were comparing any/all use of hormone blockers to child abuse, when in reality they're statistically safer than the vast majority of prescription drugs.

Their safety is not in question here, that’s not what we’re discussing. I can tell a kid to wear a seatbelt too, that’s pretty safe, but I’m not letting Timmy drive, even if he has an airbag.

 

[lolcatzuru]

That’s right.
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Does that apply to Greece and Rome?
We don’t agree on the premise then. Yes, I do think the child should be the one making the decision - the agreement breaks down when you presuppose that said child is ready to make that decision at a very young age, but not ready at all for a zillion other things you’d never allow the child to do due to said young age. You can’t simultaneously believe that someone is old enough to do irreversible damage to their body by way of ingesting drugs, but not old enough to do other drugs, like alcohol or weed - that doesn’t follow. Heck, maybe weed would actually help with their anxiety? Roll a spliff for the kid, have some compassion.
Their safety is not in question here, that’s not what we’re discussing. I can tell a kid to wear a seatbelt too, that’s pretty safe, but I’m not letting Timmy drive, even if he has an airbag.

im questioning it, its a VERY bad drug to take.

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That’s right.
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Does that apply to Greece and Rome?
We don’t agree on the premise then. Yes, I do think the child should be the one making the decision - the agreement breaks down when you presuppose that said child is ready to make that decision at a very young age, but not ready at all for a zillion other things you’d never allow the child to do due to said young age. You can’t simultaneously believe that someone is old enough to do irreversible damage to their body by way of ingesting drugs, but not old enough to do other drugs, like alcohol or weed - that doesn’t follow. Heck, maybe weed would actually help with their anxiety? Roll a spliff for the kid, have some compassion.
Their safety is not in question here, that’s not what we’re discussing. I can tell a kid to wear a seatbelt too, that’s pretty safe, but I’m not letting Timmy drive, even if he has an airbag.

please forgive my transgression of not addressing you right your glorious wonderfulness!!!

 

[Foxi4]

And by "they" you mean corporate capitalist dipshits? That can be attributed more to the relentless pursuit of short-term profits, at any cost, over the span of several decades, rather than any planned conspiracy. You're correct in that the result is the same though, best to be as scrupulous about where you source your food and water as possible.

Waste disposal is what it is. You can blame capitalists for it if you want, the recent pollution of UK beaches is actually attributed to the government dumping storm drains directly into the sea (for some reason). That’s not exactly the core issue - I was contesting your claim because I don’t think it can be proven without a long-term study. Will we have more or less people identifying as homosexual 100 years from now? I’d suspect more, to be honest.

im questioning it, its a VERY bad drug to take.

I mean, you can say that, but I don’t know how that strengthens or weakens the argument for either side. My point is that it could be the safest drug in the universe and it still shouldn’t be administered unless there’s a confirmed need for it.

 

[Xzi]

Does that apply to Greece and Rome?

Sorta. Being openly bi or gay was accepted, as was two straight men having consensual sex. Everybody was just drinking lead-ridden wine and fucking everybody else like rabbits. Not surprising given the fashion choices of the era, and also the badass paganism.

We don’t agree on the premise then. Yes, I do think the child should be the one making the decision - the agreement breaks down when you presuppose that said child is ready to make that decision at a very young age, but not ready at all for a zillion other things you’d never allow the child to do due to said young age. You can’t simultaneously believe that someone is old enough to do irreversible damage to their body by way of ingesting drugs, but not old enough to do other drugs, like alcohol or weed - that doesn’t follow. Heck, maybe weed would actually help with their anxiety? Roll a spliff for the kid, have some compassion.

Yay, I do win the better libertarian award for the day! I don't even mind it's on the technicality that all I had to do was have ever-so-slightly more faith in humanity than you. Yes, I believe that between a duo of parents, a ten or eleven year old child, their chosen physician, and the internet, people are capable of making informed decisions about these types of things. Whether that's to kick the can down the road or not, still none of our goddamn business.

 

[Foxi4]

Sorta. Being openly bi or gay was accepted, as was two straight men having consensual sex. Everybody was just drinking lead-ridden wine and fucking everybody else like rabbits. Not surprising given the fashion choices of the era, and also the badass paganism.

So basically Detroit then.

Yay, I do win the better libertarian award for the day! I don't even mind it's on the technicality that all I had to do was have ever-so-slightly more faith in humanity than you. Yes, I believe that between a duo of parents, a ten or eleven year old child, their chosen physician, and the internet, people are capable of making informed decisions about these types of things. Whether that's to kick the can down the road or not, still none of our goddamn business.

Are you under the impression that libertarians just allow children to do whatever they want? We read The Fountainhead, not Jungle Book. What you’re advocating for is a Peter Pan state. As for my faith in humanity, it’s been at a zero for a very long time, not sure what that has to do with libertarianism though. I’m happy to allow people to make their own mistakes when they’re grown adults in sound mind. You don’t allow a child to make life-altering decisions for the same reason you don’t allow a schizophrenic to do so - they’re not all there upstairs.

 

[Xzi]

So basically Detroit then.

If Detroit was 90% white, maybe.

Are you under the impression that libertarians just allow children to do whatever they want?

I was under the impression libertarians valued individual liberties and freedoms, but I am also aware many of them only stick to those beliefs when it's in their own self-interest and nobody else's.

 

[Foxi4]

I was under the impression libertarians valued individual liberties and freedoms, but I am also aware many of them only stick to those beliefs when it's in their own self-interest and nobody else's.

That is true, we do value individual freedoms and liberties. With that being said, you can easily argue that only a person in full grasp of their mental faculties can enjoy exercising their rights, since any exercise of a right is deliberate and conscious. Allow me to give you an example - let’s say that we’re enjoying a nice night out together and we exercise our right to get coked up to the gills. We are now rather jolly and feel quite bulletproof. You decide that you are not invincible metaphorically, but rather you are literally indestructible, and in order to prove that you begin to take a running start to “jump the bridge” and really show me what’s what. Now, my noggin tells me that this is not a decision you would make if you weren’t several snorts into a bag of coke, so I can choose to save your life by tackling you - that’s a rather nice thing to do. Once you sober up you can tell me if that was you talking and you really do think you can jump that bridge, or if it was the coke talking and I was being responsible. Of course you can argue that I limited your liberty, and you’re welcome to do that, but as you’ve indicated earlier, I’m not obligated to care - you can still jump that bridge if you want to, I was acting in good faith.

 

[Xzi]

With that being said, you can easily argue that only a person in full grasp of their mental faculties can enjoy exercising their rights, since any exercise of a right is deliberate and conscious.

The argument is disingenuous. We expect kids to be thinking about college by middle school, and thinking about adulthood by high school. IIRC the female brain isn't fully developed until 21 and the male brain at 28. Do you honestly expect people to put off all life decisions until that age? Or is it just this specific choice that irks you?

 

[Foxi4]

The argument is disingenuous. We expect kids to be thinking about college by middle school, and thinking about adulthood by high school. IIRC the female brain isn't fully developed until 21 and the male brain at 28. Do you honestly expect people to put off all life decisions until that age? Or is it just this specific choice that irks you?

Ones that can cause irreversible damage to their body and mind? Yeah, probably. Legally speaking they’re an adult at 18, that’s the point when they can make life-altering decisions. I’m in favour of a catch-all age rather than splitting it into multiple age limits, as is the case in the states.

This is also the point where I insert a joke about the female brain, since you’ve given me a great setup, but we can skip that part - we can just assume it was a knee slapper (it would’ve been) and drink coffee directly from a jug.

 

[TraderPatTX]

Can we also ban circumcision for those under 18? The surgery has minimal benefits, a whole lot of risks, and should really be something the person can decide for himself when he's of age, not a goddamn baby or child.

Sure, it doesn't have anything to do with being trans, but still a valid question.

Circumcision does not require a lifetime of drugs and surgeries. It's a one time procedure that is harmless. But there's always that one person who wants to compare apples to oranges.

 

[Xzi]

Ones that can cause irreversible damage to their body and mind? Yeah, probably.

That's coming strictly from your point of view, while others would say it's entirely a healing process. The same can't be said of a lot of other life decisions which are objectively pitfalls.

This is also the point where I insert a joke about the female brain, since you’ve given me a great setup, but we can skip that part - we can just assume it was a knee slapper (it would’ve been) and drink coffee directly from a jug.

Might've given me a chuckle, but the truth is that girls and women simply develop faster and run laps around us mentally throughout their teens and twenties. Was so weird when I came to the realization I was just playing catch-up the whole time.

 

[TraderPatTX]

Most of the time that's what happens anyway, but some children do have the innate sense very early on that they're in the wrong body, before even fully understanding that concept in the abstract.

Children inherently do not make their own decisions. That's why there are parents and legal guardians who make decisions for them. Can companies start hiring kids or would that be against child labor laws? Can children get tattoos or piercings? No. So why would we allow children to permanently mutilate their bodies instead of at least trying mental health first? Why is mental health never even an option with you sick fucks. It's always straight to the operating room and chopping off healthy tissue and a lifetime of infections and Big Pharma drugs.

Stay away from the children. This is really not that hard, but you people just can't help yourself with your sick cult.