Hacking [WIP] KARL3DS - Kernel access on N3DS via Ninjhax + Loadcode

[cearp]

Then what makes the update or downgrade process results as a brick? Mayby something missing

well if the actual firmware partition(s) need to be updated, gw does not support updating native_firm.
so i guess all bricks arise from that, or user error

 

[pikatsu]

well if the actual firmware partition(s) need to be updated, gw does not support updating native_firm.
so i guess all bricks arise from that, or user error

So the question is that if anyone skilled can make an alternative powerfull firmware updater because cia installers cannot play this role

 

[cearp]

So the question is that if anyone skilled can make an alternative powerfull firmware updater because cia installers cannot play this role

they can 'play this role'. just gw prevents it from happening, it is their fault. it is not the installer's fault.
maybe in PBT cfw the firmware would update fine.
anyway, maybe make a thread about this since this thread is about KARL stuff

 

[pikatsu]

they can 'play this role'. just gw prevents it from happening, it is their fault. it is not the installer's fault.
maybe in PBT cfw the firmware would update fine.
anyway, maybe make a thread about this since this thread is about KARL stuff

If you can make a small tutorial for the upgrade or downgrade process. If there are some mod testers can be made a good job about the process. e.g from what firmware can we jump to what. I mean can we upgrade safely from 4.5 to 9.2 or the opposite. An other example can we partially update and what cia can we use?

 

[cearp]

If you can make a small tutorial for the upgrade or downgrade process. If there are some mod testers can be made a good job about the process. e.g from what firmware can we jump to what. I mean can we upgrade safely from 4.5 to 9.2 or the opposite. An other example can we partially update and what cia can we use?

now that gw 3.2+ has patched the fw to allow for installing older titles over newer ones, yes we can downgrade.
although the problem of native_firm still exists. with rxtools you can flash a firm partition so, if you have the correct firm files, you will be ok
you could do all this in an emunand, and then flash to sysnand.
can you partially update? it depends what you want to update.
anyway, make a thread for this

 

[pikatsu]

now that gw 3.2+ has patched the fw to allow for installing older titles over newer ones, yes we can downgrade.
although the problem of native_firm still exists. with rxtools you can flash a firm partition so, if you have the correct firm files, you will be ok
you could do all this in an emunand, and then flash to sysnand.
can you partially update? it depends what you want to update.
anyway, make a thread for this

Thanks. If you find time make the new thread. It is a good idea

 

[motezazer]

In my opinion, the most interesting game to come on the New 3DS is Binding of Isaac.
I think it will be the first to use the 9.6 New 3DS only NCCH key.
And it will perhaps be the first game to have a pre-release download.

 

[SciresM]

In my opinion, the most interesting game to come on the New 3DS is Binding of Isaac.
I think it will be the first to use the 9.6 New 3DS only NCCH key.
And it will perhaps be the first game to have a pre-release download.

Puzzles and Dragons Z has a pre-release download.

 

[Dazzozo]

In my opinion, the most interesting game to come on the New 3DS is Binding of Isaac.
I think it will be the first to use the 9.6 New 3DS only NCCH key.
And it will perhaps be the first game to have a pre-release download.

Additionally, Xenoblade was Secure3, which was "New 3DS only".

 

[motezazer]

I will reword it (with corrections) :
Binding of Isaac will certainly be the first game to use Secure4 crypto. (no Gateway - clones)
Additionnaly, it probably won't have a cartridge release. (no Sky3DS - clones)
-----> The game will (for a while) be the first game to be unpiratable.

 

[Intronaut]

I will reword it (with corrections) :
Binding of Isaac will certainly be the first game to use Secure4 crypto. (no Gateway - clones)
Additionnaly, it probably won't have a cartridge release. (no Sky3DS - clones)
-----> The game will (for a while) be the first game to be unpiratable.

I will be afraid if Nintendo releases a new Metroid with 9.6 NCCH crypto, and the GW team doesn't break it

 

[motezazer]

I will be afraid if Nintendo releases a new Metroid with 9.6 NCCH crypto

To use the new NCCH crypto, the game need to be New 3DS only.

 

[julian20]

I will reword it (with corrections) :
Binding of Isaac will certainly be the first game to use Secure4 crypto. (no Gateway - clones)
Additionnaly, it probably won't have a cartridge release. (no Sky3DS - clones)
-----> The game will (for a while) be the first game to be unpiratable.

So spoofing eshop and buy it real too not work because systemversion. Nooooo

 

[Myria]

I think that it's a matter of time before someone finds a hole in 9.6.0 that can be used to decrypt 9.6.0 stuff. I'm more concerned about there not being a way to acquire the keyX values directly, because without them, you can't make a good experience for an EmuNAND. You can't have such an EmuNAND able to decrypt 9.6.0 content directly.

 

[motezazer]

I think that it's a matter of time before someone finds a hole in 9.6.0 that can be used to decrypt 9.6.0 stuff. I'm more concerned about there not being a way to acquire the keyX values directly, because without them, you can't make a good experience for an EmuNAND. You can't have such an EmuNAND able to decrypt 9.6.0 content directly.

A side-channel attack against the ARM9 to prevent OTP disabling?

 

[Myria]

A side-channel attack against the ARM9 to prevent OTP disabling?

That would work to break it for good, because then the keys would be known forever. Another trick would be to boot Old 3DS firmware 1.x or 2.x on a New 3DS, but that's incredibly unlikely to do anything but blackscreen.

 

[cearp]

I will reword it (with corrections) :
Binding of Isaac will certainly be the first game to use Secure4 crypto. (no Gateway - clones)
Additionnaly, it probably won't have a cartridge release. (no Sky3DS - clones)
-----> The game will (for a while) be the first game to be unpiratable.

if it is an eshop game, surely we can still make a CIA like with FunkyCIA, and install it on the 3ds, and update to the latest fw.
right?

 

[gamesquest1]

if it is an eshop game, surely we can still make a CIA like with FunkyCIA, and install it on the 3ds, and update to the latest fw.
right?

yeah it would be "dumpable", just not playable

 

[cearp]

yeah it would be "dumpable", just not playable

let's hope this isn't really the case...
nintendo seems to be doing good things, security wise. damn

 

[gamesquest1]

let's hope this isn't really the case...
nintendo seems to be doing good things, security wise. damn

well lets not forget 7.x encryption was heralded as the end of the road by many, not to mention 4.x being the original "all just give up" poster boy, lets not forget that this new encryption only applies to n3DS exclusives, there is leeway even if its never cracked, but idk im not going to be so quick to join the "EVERYONE IS DOOOOMED" bandwagon this time, it may take a good while, but i think gateway have proven themselves up to the impossible challenges as much as people like to slag them off