WiiWare games from USB Loader GX reboot Wii

Discussion in 'Wii - Emulation and Homebrew' started by VGWiiUser, Jul 2, 2014.

  1. VGWiiUser
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    I'm running cIOS d2x v10 Beta slot 250 as the default IOS for USB Loader GX. I have a super mario game that happened to be on the Wii when I bought it that works fine from the official channels but when I attempt to load it from EmuNand the Wii just reboots without error.

    I'm using a hard drive partitioned into NTFS for the WBFS files and general storage, and FAT32 for the emuNand and emuWAD file installations.

    Below is an older syscheck. Everything I have is still the same except I have d2x v8 installed a few slots below v10 in case I need it

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    sysCheck v2.1.0b19 by Double_A and R2-D2199, Nano
    ...runs on IOS58 (rev 6176).
     
    Region: NTSC-U
    System Menu 4.3U (v513)
     
    Drive date: Unknown
    Homebrew Channel 1.1.2 running on IOS58
    HomebrewFilter ist nicht installiert
    Console ID: 89300025
    Boot2 v4
    Found 94 titles.
    Found 54 IOS on this console. 13 of them are stub.
     
    IOS3 (rev 65280): Stub
    IOS4 (rev 65280): Stub
    IOS9 (rev 1034): No Patches
    IOS10 (rev 768): Stub
    IOS11 (rev 256): Stub
    IOS12 (rev 526): No Patches
    IOS13 (rev 1032): No Patches
    IOS14 (rev 1032): No Patches
    IOS15 (rev 1032): No Patches
    IOS16 (rev 512): Stub
    IOS17 (rev 1032): No Patches
    IOS20 (rev 256): Stub
    IOS21 (rev 1039): No Patches
    IOS22 (rev 1294): No Patches
    IOS28 (rev 1807): No Patches
    IOS30 (rev 2816): Stub
    IOS31 (rev 3608): No Patches
    IOS33 (rev 3608): No Patches
    IOS34 (rev 3608): No Patches
    IOS35 (rev 3608): No Patches
    IOS36 (rev 3608): No Patches
    IOS37 (rev 5663): No Patches
    IOS38 (rev 4124): No Patches
    IOS40 (rev 3072): Stub
    IOS41 (rev 3607): No Patches
    IOS43 (rev 3607): No Patches
    IOS45 (rev 3607): No Patches
    IOS46 (rev 3607): No Patches
    IOS48 (rev 4124): No Patches
    IOS50 (rev 5120): Stub
    IOS51 (rev 4864): Stub
    IOS52 (rev 5888): Stub
    IOS53 (rev 5663): No Patches
    IOS55 (rev 5663): No Patches
    IOS56 (rev 5662): No Patches
    IOS57 (rev 5919): No Patches
    IOS58 (rev 6176): USB 2.0
    IOS60 (rev 6400): Stub
    IOS61 (rev 5662): No Patches
    IOS62 (rev 6430): No Patches
    IOS70 (rev 6912): Stub
    IOS80 (rev 6944): No Patches
    IOS222[38] (rev 4, Info: hermes-v4.0): Trucha Bug, ES Identify, NAND Access, USB 2.0
    IOS223[38] (rev 4, Info: hermes-v4.0): Trucha Bug, ES Identify, NAND Access, USB 2.0
    IOS224[37] (rev 65535, Info: hermes-v5.1): Trucha Bug, NAND Access, USB 2.0
    IOS236[36] (rev 65535, Info: rev 3351): Trucha Bug, ES Identify, NAND Access
    IOS245[37] (rev 21010, Info: d2x-v10beta52): Trucha Bug, NAND Access, USB 2.0
    IOS246[38] (rev 21010, Info: d2x-v10beta52): Trucha Bug, ES Identify, NAND Access
    IOS247[53] (rev 21010, Info: d2x-v10beta52): Trucha Bug, NAND Access, USB 2.0
    IOS248[55] (rev 21010, Info: d2x-v10beta52): Trucha Bug, NAND Access, USB 2.0
    IOS249[56] (rev 21010, Info: d2x-v10beta52): Trucha Bug, NAND Access, USB 2.0
    IOS250[57] (rev 21010, Info: d2x-v10beta52): Trucha Bug, NAND Access, USB 2.0
    IOS251[58] (rev 21010, Info: d2x-v10beta52): Trucha Bug, NAND Access, USB 2.0
    IOS254 (rev 65281): BootMii
    BC v6
    MIOS v10
     
  2. Cyan

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    Did you try booting another games/Channel from EmuNAND?
    How did you create the emuNAND? (using USBLoaderGX or another dumper?)

    When you have an error, you should try to narrow the possibilities by testing different things.
    Try another loader to see if the issue is your EmuNAND or the loader
    Try another USB or SD
    Try to dump the NAND again using the same loader you use to boot games
    Try another cIOS slot
     
  3. VGWiiUser
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    No errors, just a soft reboot to the first wii power on screen you normally see. I'll another cIOS, and was also told to move the FAT32 partition to the front as I was told this would help. I dumped the NAND using USBLoaderGX, which is the same I play games with. Will post back with results.
     
  4. Mariosegafreak

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    USB Loader GX doesn't support full emunand.
     
  5. Cyan

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    USBLoaderGX supports "full" emuNAND, as opposed to "partial emuNAND".
    but it doesn't support neek2o emuNAND.

    Neek2o is a way to put the Wii entirely in emulated mode. It has perfect compatibility.
    Full EmuNAND is a cIOS method to redirect all NAND access to SD or USB while the wii is still running on realNAND.
    Partial EmuNAND is a cIOS method to redirect only partial NAND folders access to SD or USB while the wii is still running on RealNAND.

    neek mode has 99% compatibility with all games. (I think only one game doesn't work)
    cIOS methods has 80-90% compatibility with Wiiware, and a little less require specific cIOS version with VC.
     
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    Is there a list of what VC doesn't work via USBLoaderGX emunand? Is it known why they don't work? I've been trying Last Blade 2 and on occasion it seems to work but usually it freezes. Sometimes it just goes to a black screen which I can exit out from.
     
  7. Cyan

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    Nobody made a proper list of what Wii/VC/WiiWare don't work with EmuNAND cIOS redirection method.
    I know this games don't:

    Wii:
    Zelda Skyward sword (random freeze when loading a new area)
    Metroid Prime 3 on MP Trilogy (Wii reboots after a couple of minutes)
    Harvest Moon Tree of Tranquility (stuck at the Wii strap screen)
    Spiderman Shattered Dimensions (freezes randomly)
    The Amazing Spiderman (it won't save after the 3rd or 4th mission)
    Pokemon Pikachu's Adventure (get stuck in the Pickachu's loading screen)
    Inazuma Eleven (all versions)
    Sengoku Basara Utage.

    VC:
    I don't think there are any. Only N64 games require cIOS rev17 or rev19 base38
    Some ROM injected games require real NAND, like Hexen 64.

    WiiWare: (Require RealNAND or Neek)
    2 Fast for Gnomz
    Let's Create Pottery
    Hot Rod Show
    Liight
    Castlevania Adventure Rebirth (and maybe all rebirth games: Castlevania, Contra and Gradius)
    Rubik's Rush
    Opera Browser
    Youtube Channel (official)

    some Wiiware don't work with d2x, like Bonzai Barber (require rev19 base38)
    It's a matter of testing different cIOS version/revision. old cIOS sometime works better. try rev17 to d2x v10
     
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    Thanks. I'll investigate older cIOS and see where that gets me.
     
  9. Codemastershock

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    Funny is, using emuNAND on uLoader (Hermes 222 cIOS), Skyward Sword works flawlessly. The initial loading is a little bit slow, but it's ok.
    I have various original games and this is the only one that requires to use another loader. I'm using a Wii with Autoboot set to USB Loader GX.

    Opposng to SS, NFS Pro Street only works with emuNAND using USB Loader GX. Running from uLoader it doesn't find the savefile.
     
  10. Cyan

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    uLoader doesn't use the same method for emuNAND.
    I thought it was used only for Wad files, I didn't know you could set EmuNAND for save games too.
     
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    Little luck with trying older cIOSs. v21, rev6, rev7, rev8, rev9, rev10, rev10 alt based on ios56 all failed. At least for Last Blade 2.
     
  12. Cyan

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    So, Last blade should be added to the list above?


    try rev17 and 19 base38.
    Though, they are old and don't support current features:
    subfolders, multi-partition or Advanded mode (4k drives) are not working.

    Put the NAND folder to root of SD or on the first partition of USB. (USB works betters than SD, I don't know why SD sometime blackscreen at launch, I didn't test old version to find which revision broke the compatibility)
    use a 512Byte/sector hard drive.
    and it will let you select rev17 and 19 without telling you that you need d2x
     
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    To make emuNAND for save on uLoader, you only have to click Game Options and click Saves or something and choose SD. It reads any channel or save if the emuNAND is on the folder nand on the SD Card.
     
  14. SomeWeirdSin

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    It is a lot of work, but I found a method that works well with usb-loader gx for loading emuNAND games. I set the global settings for emuNAND to off, and then manually went in and changed the settings for my VC and WiiWare games to full emuNAND. This way my emuNAND doesn't interfere with my Wii and GC games, as they just use the global settings. Your Wii will still restart to the health and warning screen when playing a VC or Wiiware game, but it will function normally when playing a Wii or GC game. It is the closest way to have 'partial emuNAND'. Since you are using usb-loader gx to do your NAND dumb, be sure to use the 'install wad' feature of the loader rather than showmiiwads. This will ensure that the files are all named appropriately.
     
  15. Cyan

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    using the global "emuNAND save" option doesn't affect Gamecube games.
    Though, it affects everything else you launch that are normally saved to Wii. (VC/WiiWare/Wiigames/Mii/settings/etc.)

    Would a separate setting for wii games and RealNAND channels be needed?
    I have idea for future way to manage settings, it could be easy to make separated settings for each game type.


    Also, I think renaming the settings and options will be easier for all users.
    "EmuNAND Save" "EmuNAND channel" are too weird and confusing, you need to find a guide/tutorial/forum to explain the differences and options.
    While:
    "Savegame location : Wii" or "Savegame location : EmuNAND" is more explicit and natural.
     
  16. SomeWeirdSin

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    I think a separate setting for wii games and RealNAND channels would be great! I think it would spare people some frustration. It took me a long time to go through all 150 of my WiiWare and VC games and change their settings to emuNAND. Renaming the settings would also really help. I was pretty confused the first time I messed with the settings, and had to read one of your past posts for clarity.
     
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